Did the light go on for Harris last night?

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  1. CONVIGLIONUS

    CONVIGLIONUS Well-Known Member

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    How did Harris play did something click for him or was he hot garbage. I couldn't watch the game last night
     
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    He was there. I know, kinda non-descriptive but that pretty much sums it up.

    He is what we drafted, a project rotational DE. Give him another training camp and he will show us much more, but I wouldnt expect alot from him this season.
     
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    I only watched the 1st half, but from what I saw he's hit or miss. He gets pressure when he gets off the ball quick, but if his initial move is stymied, he seems to get swallowed up and becomes a non factor.
    He flushed the QB out a few times and applied pressure, but I don't recall any sacks.
    He was double teamed on a few plays as well and that pretty much neutralized him.
     
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    He has managed to get through 4 preseason game and only record 1 tackle.
     
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    According to twitter he has the 2nd most pressures of any rookie DE not named Myles Garrett

     
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    Its going to be a ongoing process with him, it's normal. No was he turns into Wake after a switch is hit. Hopes are he develops and gets better throughout the year by getting playing time, experience and coaching.
     
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    Like Adam Gase said previously.... Pressures acquire as much attention as actual sacks do. He's consistently gotten to the QB despite the lack of sacks this preseason. I think he'll have better success in the regular season playing on the same line as Suh and Wake.
     
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    Keep going.
     
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    Harris only played the first 2-3 series last night. Had at least one pressure.
     
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    So.... How good was Cameron Wake transitioning from the CFL (Crappy Football League as some calls it in Canada) to the NFL???
    How good was Cameron Wake in year 1 of his NFL career? He had 5 sacks but couldn't stop the run at all and was somehow a liability. He benefited from having Jason Taylor and Joey Porter around, and now Harris has Wake, Suh, Branch and even Hayes he could learn from. Harris has better talent surrounding him now and Yesss........ For now he is a project rotational DE.
     
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    How anyone is OK with our #1 draft pick being a situational project is beyond me.
     
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    Sons. I know you aren't a Tankersley fan but he looks very impressive
     
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    What's the time stamp on that? Mine was yesterday. But sons is right that pff is pretty hard to trust either way
     
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    So far, he's reminded me of Olivier Vernon as a pass rusher. He has pressured the QB pretty well, but obviously he isn't getting there. Not as good as Vernon against the run though.
     
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    So I've heard. I like to make those judgments for myself but the All-22 view isn't available for preseason games so I am not able to at this time.
     
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    As someone who was high on him pre-draft, he has not impressed via the eye test since the pads came on. But the only thing that matters is how he performs going forward, now that the real bullets will be flying. He needs show significant production as a sub package edge rusher to justify a first round selection.
     
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    Give him some time .......he's still a pup
     
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    Oh, I'm not OK with it, I was against drafting a DE in the first round unless a miracle dropped into our laps. I felt I was pretty vocal against drafting these second tier pass rushers instead of an immediate full time starter at a needed position.

    That said, it is what it is. Harris is a fin now and I can only be patient and hope he pans out down the road.
     
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    I think Harris will eventually be pretty good. He has to do a better job keeping the Lineman hands from getting inside of his pads until he gets stronger to where his swim move can knock the linemans hands off of him, OR he has to learn to time the swim move better to PREVENT the lineman's hands from getting on him in the first place. He has to learn to do a better job disguising his pass rush moves.... Always show the fastball in his case the outside speed rush, and adjust counter of of that. In one clip it looks like he made up his mind pre-snap that he was going to use the spin move and in the NFL that just will not work. He'll have to learn to be instinctive with his moves based on how the lineman reacts to the speed rush. Get up the field as fast as you can, lineman over compensates, BOOM spin move inside, Lineman doesn't get deep enough, BOOM bend and RIP around the edge. It'll come with time but the tools are there.
     
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    He looks like he'll be ready to unseat Maxwell earlier than expected if he struggles. I liked him coming in, but thought he'd take a few years to develop. Very impressing preseason from Tank.
     
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    Shouldve drafted Foster.
     
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    The one you posted was for AFC, miamiron's was NFC.
     
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    Sadly, I agree. Wanted him or Lamp, hope I'm wrong.
     
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    Several ways we could have gone in the draft. There is no telling about Raekwon at this point and no one could have predicted IR for him. Looking back we had a shot at several other players in rounds 1 and 2 and IF you can make a judgement based on the PS, we may have been better off going with....

    22 Reuben Foster
    54 Jordan Willis (could have also traded down 18 or so spots and still get him)
    97 I really don't see many players I would have taken over Tankersley at this spot. Maybe DT, Jaleel Johnson.

    That works if you want to end up with a pass rusher and a LB as we did in the first two rounds. Foster is looking pretty darn good in SF but he is also undersized (6'0 229) and playing weak side in a 4-3 under defense.

    Otherwise, it would be....

    22 Tak McKinley
    54 Dalvin Tomlinson

    You could also add Evan Engram as another guy who's looked good in the PS. TJ Watt as well.

    I had my reservations about Charles Harris prior to the draft because you just don't see very many good pass rushers who tested the way he did in Indy. I probably would have leaned toward Tak at that point. I did hop on the hype train for Harris in camp but that was more out of hope than anything else. We'll see how it plays out but guys with 4.8 speed rarely become elite pass rushers. There are exceptions of course.
     
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    I really wanted Willis
     
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    It's over once linemen get their hands on him. He won't be able to effectively do anything unless he learns how to use his hands better. That pick continues to baffle me.
     
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    Guy is a heat seeking missle
     
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    3 times in a decade Miami has passed over star LBs for lesser players

    Infuriates me.
     
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    They dont seem to make it a priority. Well they do for UDFA so I stand corrected.
     
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    Question is.......why?
     
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    I get the feeling the FO - (mike t) value and stress some postions over others. I think he values DL and CB high not so much the LB position.

    They feel like they can fill that positin and Ol depth will lesser players. Thats how I see it.
     
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    We could have had AQM without investing a draft pick. That's one Cane UDFA along with Jermaine Grace at LB I wish we had inked.
     
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    Smh, and when the draft came all of us that were on the Willis train were getting destroyed in here.
     
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    Interesting about Muhammad. I think that guy went undrafted or close to it. Missed an entire year at UM for discipline reasons what a bargain
     
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    It's not even about priorities. We needed someone to replace Wake because well... he is getting old. We had so many needs/weaknesses and one off-season and one draft can't fix everything.

    If you have a car with a bad engine, bad transmission and 4 flat tires. You have to fix one at a time.
     
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