Different view on forester

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  1. Jssanto

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    Questions:
    1. If this were a player would he have been kept in some fashion (IR, PUP, suspended 30 days) and sent to drug rehab?
    2. If this had been alcohol, would he have been suspended 30 days and sent to rehab?
    3. Is this an example of your value to the team determines the amount of your punishment?
    4. If you have an addiction, should we make a distinction between alcohol and drugs?
    5. If your employer were not the dolphins (AT and T, local plumbing company, cable company etc) would the punishment be different? Should it?

    I have no inside info, but I might have preferred a suspension, send him to rehab, bring him back on probation, drug test weekly, etc.
     
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    Well Timmons punishment was pretty soft...
     
  3. uk_dolfan

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    Anyone caught taking drugs in work like that wont have a job the next day
     
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    The video was a disgrace on so many levels.

    You are assuming Miami "fired" him. I think he was legit embarrassed and resigned once realization hit that morning.

    This man has a wife and 3 kids and he is doing lines of coke in his office before a work meeting and filming it for a stripper in Las Vegas who may or may not "keep the baby".

    There is no thought process needed here, Miami handled the whole situation perfectly and said the right things.
     
  5. Ren

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    Doing a line in your office will get you fired, no matter what.
     
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    IMO,there's a difference between weed or performance enhancing drugs and doing coke.
     
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    A guy who is running work meetings after doing 3 lines (and filming himself talking to a stripper in the process) is not going to stay gainfully employed in any job.

    If the unit he is managing is doing poorly, it gives the employer the opportunity to not only do the right thing but also not suffer for having made the decision.

    They let him resign and keep the money. That was the best he could have wished for.
     
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    I just read that he also owes half a million in back taxes as well.
     
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    I kinda wish he would have tried to go with a "it was viagra" approach.
     
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    I was expecting a different camera angle.of the incident...
     
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    To answer your questions IMO:

    1. If he was Jay Cutler, he'd still be starting next week. In all seriousness though, I think a star player may have gotten suspended and sent to rehab. We dont know if he was going to be fired, he resigned before the FO could fire him. I do think he would have been fired. If it was the Pats oline coach, he may have been suspended, but our Oline sucks so bad it makes for a convenient excuse to get rid of him.

    2. I think if he was doing shots of whiskey the reaction would still be the same. It's not quiet as jarring as watching someone snort **** up their nose like that, but the poor judgment is the same.

    3. Possibly, but its hard to tell how much the fins truly valued Foerster. Like I said above, I think a star player would have been given another chance, but anyone with less than an 8 figure income would probably be cut/fired.

    4. There shouldnt be a distinction, alcohol is considered a drug now, but more than the substance, the whole thing was just piss poor judgment and total lack of professionalism.

    5. Most companies have a zero tolerance policy, so like others have said, you'd be fired immediately.
     
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    LOL. So that he could walk into a team meeting with a raging hard-on? That would be pretty funny.
     
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    I agree that if Cutler was doing coke, he would still be starting. Gase is clearly going to start Cutler no matter what happens.
     
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    The outlier isn't that Forester was fired for what he did. Which answers your question number 5. In the normal business world this type of behavior would get you fired immediately. Should it? Yeah. Companies can't embrace that kind of liability. But your contrast in how Forester is treated vs. how players are treated is correct. They aren't being treated equally. But it's the athletes that are getting different treatment than the rest of society when we forgive all kinds of deviant behavior and still let them return to work after slaps on the wrist. So I'd say your 3rd question explains it all. Forester is more replaceable than a good starting LB. If you want an interesting question to throw out the board, I ask you this. Would Belichick get fired for snorting lines of cocaine and professing his love for a stripper, right before a coaches meeting???? Hell, there might be some owners so desperate for wins that they mandate their head coaches do the same damn thing hoping for Belichick's results. J/k. Sort of.
     
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    My policy is when in doubt, make it weird! People ask less questions.
     
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    As a coach, he should be setting an example to his players.

    Although I think even a star player could well be packing his bags if a video was released of him taking drugs in the facility.
     
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    With the way the offensive line was playing, I think that was just the last straw....it's so hard not to sound punny when talking about the last "straw" with the "line" coach. I had to retype this three times.
     
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    You might be right, it depends on the franchise. But ****....

    A video of Joe Mixon laying out his GF didnt keep him from getting drafted, and that was far more disturbing to watch than this guy sniffing up his "substance."
     
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    That's obviously worse from a moral perspective, but from a purely business perspective you don't want people doing hard drugs at your place of business while they're supposed to doing an important job. If this video came from his house instead of at work, even an assistant coach like Foerster might have gotten off with a slap on the wrist (and drug rehab).
     
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    He should have given Cutler some. Might have inspired him.
     
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    2 games and $5 million for missing a walk-through doesn't seem very soft to me
     
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    Suspension??

    After what he just put this team through on top of what his wife must be feeling right now being humiliated and disgraced.....suspension??
     
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    It goes beyond using drugs/alcohol. That alone (well, drugs) will get you terminated on the spot at most companies. It's using drugs on the job.....I don't know of a company in the world that would be okay with any option other than termination in that regard.

    He didn't party on a day off and fail a random drug test. He snorted coke at his desk in his office at work.
     
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    He's lucky he's not facing prosecution of some sort.
     
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    No second chance! We were his fresh start after he got caught spanking his monkey in his office at the Bucs. Guys behavior just gets worse. He is an ******* and the oline sucks. Good riddance!
     
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    Enough said this fellow needs help at many different levels to get his life straight and make some important decisions. Getting fired hopefully will allow that to happen as football is a cover up for some serious personal issues. In relationship to this thread this guy is not some kid who just had millions thrown at him fresh out of college but a real adult who has had the time to get his sh#t together.
     
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    Here is another angle on this story... The reason our o line has been god awful even though we have 3 first round picks starting, and countless failed other draft picks, could be explained by our oline coach being more compncerned with strippers and blow. I don’t think it’s the full reason but it can’t help.

    Yet another angle...I’m sick out our head coaches and front office being oblivious to what’s going on with the team. This isn’t a good look for Gase. Our big free agent addition goes awol before game 1, oline coach doing coke before meetings, and the qb he took out of retirement failing miserably. I didn’t think Gase could do anything to spoil what he did last year, but it seems like he is trying really hard.
     
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    Questions:
    1. If this were a player would he have been kept in some fashion (IR, PUP, suspended 30 days) and sent to drug rehab?
    If this were a player the NFL would suspend them for at least 4 to 8 games depending on the history and may also be subject to being released by the team

    2. If this had been alcohol, would he have been suspended 30 days and sent to rehab?
    Addiction is addiction but alcohol is legal at the current time

    3. Is this an example of your value to the team determines the amount of your punishment?
    A coach always has to lead by example if an officer in the Army has conduct detrimental he is going to face tougher repercussions based on his rank.

    4. If you have an addiction, should we make a distinction between alcohol and drugs?
    There is no distinction in addiction but there is a distinction in the law about what is legal and what isn't. This was an illegal act.

    5. If your employer were not the dolphins (AT and T, local plumbing company, cable company etc) would the punishment be different? Should it?
    Can't say because each company reserves the right to enact their own policies with regard to conduct. If this were my employee I'd fire them on the spot.

    I have no inside info, but I might have preferred a suspension, send him to rehab, bring him back on probation, drug test weekly, etc.
    Guy is a ****y coach anyway now he has plenty of time to clean up his life and focus on things more improtant.....his well being.
     
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    I agree.
     
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    Questions:
    1. If this were a player would he have been kept in some fashion (IR, PUP, suspended 30 days) and sent to drug rehab?

    If a player was caught, they would be suspended, but considering a player is only responsible for himself, while a Coach image wise, is representing a franchise, while professionally is responsible for 5 starters, and a few backups...Like it or not, he does need more then anyone, to set a good example.

    2. If this had been alcohol, would he have been suspended 30 days and sent to rehab?

    If it was Alcohol, I doubt very few teams would stand for it also. Alcohol is legal, but if you saw a Video of a coach say he is going to do bottle before going to the meeting, would you just suspend him?

    3. Is this an example of your value to the team determines the amount of your punishment?

    If you were to see a coach of your team, in a video say he might do a line before going to a meeting, you would not fire them? I am sure if he told the team he had a problem, and needed help, he would get time off, and allowed to come back eventually.

    4. If you have an addiction, should we make a distinction between alcohol and drugs?

    Using in a work place, both will get you fired, but again, let us not forget one is legal, the other is not.

    5. If your employer were not the dolphins (AT and T, local plumbing company, cable company etc) would the punishment be different? Should it?

    I have an employee doing drugs, stating in a video he might also do it just before a job responsibility , he would be fired in any job, any company, and unlike what happened with the Dolphins, would still try to help him out.
     
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    I think Miami let him "resign gracefully". Not sure if he had a buyout in his contract, but by him resigning they don't have to pay a buyout and he can't collect unemployement (if he really needed to go down that road).
     
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    One game suspension, not two. There was no official status of him for LAC game. AWOL wasn't an NFL status. And no, it is soft given the circumstance.
     
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    I don't get the "blame Gase" or "looks bad for Gase" angle on this. Certainly it's not good, but there's a pretty long list of players and, presumably, some coaches that have performed and even thrived while on illegal drugs. And if this guy is an addict...they are usually pretty darn good at concealing their issue. Some of the signs are probably norms in the super intense, stressful, sleep deprived NFL coaching environment.

    Although I have to admit that videoing oneself doing the blow and sending it as a tribute to your stripper "girl friend" is not really a good job of concealment.

    From what we know now, Gase handled it as he should have. Hopefully the assistant is a oline savant in the making
     
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    Yes, becuase Chris was obviously great at concealing things.
     
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    Dude, he's been a coach in the pros for like 20 years. For all we know he was doing blow or other substance abuse the whole time and just got his tightie whities in a bunch for this gal and went to hell....not to mention I did call out the videoing as a bad concealment technique...
     
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    I dunno man.. His job is the LINE lol
     
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    Wait...... WHAT????
     
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    What other inside info do you need? The guy doing lines in his office before meeting. He deserves what he get.
    Send him to rehab and bring him back? No No and no.
     
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    Are you f(_)<king kidding me? And Gase hired him?
     

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