Do you think the Miami Hurricanes can beat the 2011 Miami Dolphins?

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  1. Johnstone

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    I would say yes. I think the Hurricanes would blow out the Dolphins. The Hurricanes have explosive, young, up and coming talent. The Dolphins are in disarray. The Dolphins would lose by 20 points. Im dead serious.
     
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    You would be 110% incorrect.

    The best college football team out there couldn't beat the Miami Dolphins, the Indianapolis Colts, or the St. Louis Rams.

    No way, no how....especially the Miami Hurricanes.

    Daniel Thomas is a machine with the football. That kid is not going down after first contact. That dude needs two and three guys to bring him down. Have you not seen how atrocious our defense is this season? We've improved over the last two weeks, but that defense is still hot garbage. Matt Moore would toast our secondary. Brandon Marshall would make Vaughn Telemaque his ***** for 60 full minutes. I've seen Vaughn Telemaque skateboarding around campus and I can tell you that he's a better skateboarder than a football player.

    Cameron Wake would be the reason Jacory "Sticks" Harris leaves mid-field in an ambulance. Vontae Davis would pick him off six times.

    You're talking about 19 and 20 year-old kids against PROFESSIONAL GROWN *** MEN.

    This Miami Dolphins team would dump 70 on the Miami Hurricanes.
     
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    Why does this topic come up every season in discussions of the worst team in a given year? Miami's college team isn't a very good COLLEGE team.
     
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    The 2003 Team would destroy them.
     
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    I'm not even going to say that the 2001 Miami Hurricanes could beat this team. And I think it's widely regarded that the 2001 team is the greatest college football team in history.

    You're talking about a HUGE difference between college and the pros.
     
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    Exactly, never would happen in a million years. They could play 1000 times and the Pro team would win 1000 times.
     
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    Yeah thats the team I meant, I do think they will beat this team. Look at those guys on that team, they are huge play makers. I think at worse they lose by a couple. Who would cover Andre and shockey together.
     
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    Oh I guess you didn't hear Urby's quote on Sunday when he called his 2008 Gayturd squad the greatest of all time :lol:

    (That 2001 Canes squad is the greatest collection of talent EVER on a field, NO QUESTION ABOUT IT)
     
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    This
     
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    Huge playmakers today in the NFL. In college, those were just very gifted athletes. That team wasn't even coached for the most part. They were just flat better than everyone. Ken Dorsey ran that offense and DJ Williams called the shots on the defense. But when you start breaking down X's and O's and you're rolling over safties and Dorsey is trying to figure out who is coming in on a blitz, what his protections are, etc., that's where the college team gets DESTROYED in man's land.
     
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    Professional Grown Men lost to tebow and btw the same running back who was on that 2001.
     
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    Wasn't that the same team that lost to Ole Miss AT HOME that eventually spawned that ridiculous "Tim Tebow Guarantee" speech that the University immortalized on a plaque outside the stadium?

    Me thinks Urban Meyer is severely ill indeed.

    Gainesville's finest weiner.

    [​IMG]
     
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    That same RB who left the game injured. You have got to be kidding me if you think a college team could beat an NFL. High School kids aren't taking down FBS teams and FBS teams aren't taking down anyone in the NFL. Tim Tebow is two years into his professional career and he looks like diarrhea dog **** to the nth power.
     
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    This last decade of Canes football ball been pretty crappy. I thought a couple of year ago that they have given up football.

    I seem to remember that their 2001 team was good. But half of them are in jail or on parole.

    The 2008 Gator could spank the Dolphins but a number of good college TEAMS could beat them because the 2211 Dolphins are not really a team, they are a group of football players that happen to be wearing Dolphin helmets for this season.
     
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    And Tim Tebow dropped a big steaming load right on the Hurricane's goal line, ROFL.
     
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    Not one player from that 2001 team is in jail. Stop making **** up unless you want to discuss the number of Gator arrests under that pile of **** Urban Meyer.

    That entire post was just...

    :bobdole:

    2008 Gators aren't beating the 2011 Miami Dolphins. You dudes give it up lol.
     
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    You aren't making any sense, dude.
     
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    Yeah he left injured but managed 76 yards before that. I would say that college teams would not beat nfl teams but that's how low this team has gotten me that I feel than maybe just maybe that 2001 team with all that talent might have a shot at this team. The fins would find a way to mess it up
     
  19. TedSlimmJr

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    It'd be a good game for all the wrong reasons....:lol:

    I have a hard time believing the Miami Dolphins could drop 70 points against air. Either way, I'll lay 2:1 odds Sparano gets outcoached by Al Golden regardless of the results on the scoreboard.


    If a talented and well coached enough college team could practice more than 20 hours a week, or at least practice as much as NFL players do, It'd probably be a lot closer than people think. That's where the biggest difference is at.

    You can't implement as much scheme diverse packages in such a dramatically decreased amount of practice time.


    If college defenses can somehow manage to tackle Trent Richardson, Adrian Peterson, Bo Jackson, and Hershel Walker, they can tackle Daniel Thomas.

    Cam Newton, Marcel Dareus, A.J. Green, Andy Dalton, Kong Suh, etc. didn't suddenly morph into something entirely different in the 8 months or so they didn't play football in between their last college game and their rookie seasons. I don't think people realize how much borderline professional talent there is in the NFL.


    The 2001 Hurricanes team was one of the most talented rosters in terms of depth, but I've seen about 3 Bama squads just in the past 20 years that would beat 'em.
     
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    You're talking about Tim Tebow and Willis McGahee...two professional grown men...beating other professional grown men. Willis McGahee doesn't have the speed he once had when he was in college, but that's due in large part to the knee injury he suffered in that Fiasco Bowl.

    Once the draft rolls around, what are the experts, coaches, scouts, general managers and everyone saying about the prospects? What's the biggest thing they talk about when kids first make the transition to the NFL level?

    "How quickly can he adjust to the speed of the game at the next level."

    Some have a seemless transition. Other struggle early on. And those rookies always talk about the hardest part is adjusting to the speed of the game.

    So you line up a college team and a pro team and you snap the football...you're gonna see some college linemen getting blown up immediately. We're talking dumped on their ***** and embarrassed.

    And we're talking about the 2011 Hurricanes? I hate to talk **** about Tyler Horn since I know his Mother Dawn personally, but even she said he was bad against North Carolina. Hello, Tyler, meet Karlos Dansby. Do your best to prevent him from swallowing Jacory Harris whole.

    We're starting Anthony Chikillo at defensive end. He's a TRUE FRESHMAN! He's right out of high school. Daniel Thomas would run to that side of the field all day and have a galaxy of daylight to the end zone.

    2011 Miami Hurricanes > 2011 Miami Dolphins

    Really??
     
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    No, but LSU may give us a hard time.
     
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    I knew it wouldn't be long before you got in on this thread and I gotta be honest, this is probably the most disappointed I've ever been in a TedSlimm post lol.

    I'm not even gonna get into that Alabama - Miami stuff but you know I'm not buying it.

    Al Golden probably does outcoach Tony Sparano but there's just too many big boys used to the physicality of the NFL and that's gonna matter...especially after halftime when 19 year-old kids have taken the beating of a lifetime for 30 minutes and then they're sitting around stable trying not to think about the second half.
     
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    LSU would be a tougher out. Their defensive line is Godlike and NFL ready right now. Our offensive line is awful. Those boys would get after Matt Moore for sure.
     
  24. TedSlimmJr

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    The line of scrimmage is where the largest gap in strength and conditioning would show up. Guys that have been in the NFL lifting weights for 5-10 years are going to be stronger than 19 year old college kids, at least on average.... but not every lineman in the NFL is stronger than every 19 year old kid in college. We're talking about bad NFL teams versus elite college talent in a hypothetical situation.

    There's teams in the NFL that are starting rookies on their offensive lines, take the Colts for example. I believe they're starting 2 rookies on their line, who off of that line is going to give college kids a beating for 30 minutes?

    They're starting 2 guys who were playing college football 8-9 months ago.

    In all seriousness, there's no way that this Hurricanes squad could hang with the Miami Dolphins. They can barely hang with the Marylands and Kansas St.'s.

    However, I disagree that the worst the NFL has to offer would routinely blow elite college teams out of the stadium. I don't think the Colts with Curtis Painter could score more than 20 points on LSU or Alabama's defense. Alabama's running back squats and benches more than the Dolphins Hall of Fame left tackle, how are the Colts going to tackle him?

    The 2001 Canes team is considered the best they've ever had, but it was built exactly like the 3 undefeated National Championship teams that Alabama has had over the past 20 years. Dominating defense with NFL talent galore at all three levels, and a game manager at quarterback.

    That's a typical Bama championship team, not one that gets hyped up as the best of all time.
     
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    The kids can take a longer beating and bounce back but a man doesn't reach his maximum strength until age 30 to 33. The sheer strength difference would be enough to tip the tide, let alone experience, technique and quality factor, speed etc...

    Some college teams are deep but even on the deepest of rosters all the kids are not making the NFL in terms of talent, any NFL team as the advantage against any College squad, regardless of decade.
     
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    Eh. They still would have no shot. How often are these great college d lineman busts or mediocre pros. Glen Dorsey was a beast in college and hasn't lived up to his draft status. How many o lineman actually come into the NFL day one and produce. Even the best college teams have maybe one or two lineman get drafted. The rest don't even play pro ball. And these soph and juniors are supposed to handle mature twenty something NFL pro d lineman. Lol. Not gonna happen. And this tebow nonsense is ridiculous. Denvers pro defense shutting us down was a major factor in this game. If prator doesn't miss two field goals early or if tebow doesn't take that dumb sack to knock them out of Fg position we might never of been up to begin with.

    As great as the 2001 hurricane team was, mckinnie was the only olineman who lasted in the NFL. Romberg was undrafted, Gonzalez was a 7th round pick and Sherko went to the cfl. Any pro teams dline would destroy that line over 60 minutes.

    Oh and the Alabama comment im just gonna pass off as just complete bias and homer nonsense. That Miami team would if manhandled any of those bama teams
     
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    The only real great college teams I've really debated was the 2001 Miami Hurricanes v. 1995 Nebraska Cornhuskers.

    And I don't think Nebraska would stand a chance. Miami has historically kicked the **** out of Nebraska's pathetic Option offense. It doesn't matter how bad the Miami Hurricanes are in any given year, you won't find many teams with more speed at skill positions. Miami teams are some of the fastest in the country every single year.

    I'm confident that the 2001 team would shut down Tommy Frazier.
     
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    Even the '95 Canes gave them a run for their money...Or was it '94 that we played them in the orange bowl?

    The 2001 Canes are the best college team ever..No team is beating them...Too much talent..Too much chemistry.

    As for this years Canes beating the Phins?

    I dont think so... The Phins would run all over them..Matt Moore would have all day in the pocket.
     
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    Agreed. Miami always beat on those option Nebraska teams. The only reason Nebraska was able to win was because Miami was taken off the map due to being on probation. The Miami teams moving 5 years forward or backwards would of beaten those Nebraska teams. They couldn't match the speed. I still remember husker fans talking about how crouch was gonna light the canes up. Lol.
     
  30. TedSlimmJr

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    Yep. I heard all that south Florida trash talk nonsense in '92. Except what actually happened was, that Bama team did annihilate the undefeated, and defending national championship Hurricanes 34-13 in the Sugar Bowl.

    The Hurricanes came in with their Heisman Trophy winning quarterback and running their mouth, but left New Orleans beat to a pulp and quiet as a gentle breeze.

    I remember the first televised game in the history of Bryant-Denny Stadium was a 30-0 beatdown of the Canes... that was back when we used to have them for homecoming fodder.
     
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    We played Nebraska in 1994. Almost beat them that year. Then in 1995 the beat the immortal hell out of Florida in one of the most lopsided title games you'll ever see.

    And Matt Moore would give us flashbacks of Dan Marino throwing for about 8 touchdowns on that pathetic Hurricane secondary.
     
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    Hurricanes have a good chacne they are probably being paid more
     
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    I don't know about always... Tom Osborne gave away a title to Miami when all he had to do was kick the extra point. Miami didn't stop Nebraska's option that day in the Orange Bowl.

    There's never been an option QB like Tommie Frazier though, Turner Gill couldn't hold a candle to Frazier running that option. Everytime busts like Mike Rumph or Phillip Buchanan would've been required to be the force player against that option run by Frazier, it'd result in 6 points for the Huskers IMO.

    Only in the minds of Canes fans is the 2001 team the best of all time.
     
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    Thanks for the dramazitation. I thought we were talking about the 2001 hurricane team. Anyway, not trying to derail this thread into a pissing contest about bama vs canes teams but that 1992 alabama team makes a certain point about pro vs college teams.

    Alabama that year had one of the most dominant college dlines in a while. Eric Curry and Copeland were both top 10 picks and both had very unremarkable pro careers. My point being is you cant look at a college teams line being dominant and then assuming that those players would be able to play in the pros. The same with assuming that this LSU line could handle pro lines and give the current day dolphins a tough time.

    How many of LSUs offensive lineman get drafted. And if they do get drafted how many actually can compete on a pro level. Les Miles even with his wacky plays couldnt move the ball against a pro defense.
     
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    actually thats not true. look up any list of greatest college teams ever and that miami team is always toward the top of the list. only in the minds of bama fans is their latest teams as good as that 2001 canes team cause i have never heard it from any place else

    that canes team had 6 players taken in the first 35 picks including 4 probowlers and a hall of famer. those players were great in college and the pros. they dominated college football that year and many players continued into the professional ranks.

    gimmick college teams who produce draft busts....meh your cane hate is showing
     
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    A lot of times it has nothing to do with talent, but rather how individuals react to the money involved and work ethic that determines their fate in the profession. Many of the least talented guys on their respective college teams that couldn't even start have gone on to have outstanding careers as professionals, while the most talented bust time and time and time again.

    The Philadelphia Eagles defense can't even tackle, nor play gap control defense with this "Wide 9" formation. I believe Les Miles could move the ball on their defense and several others. The "Wide-9" would turn into "Quick-6", the Mad Hatter wouldn't need any trick plays. What they're doing on defense in Philly is a lot more gimmicky than anything Les has ever done at LSU.

    He runs mainly 21 personnel on offense.... that's as "pro style" as it gets.
     
  37. TedSlimmJr

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    I wouldn't call it hate son.... the Crimson Tide is the Muhammad Ali of college football, the Hurricanes are Michael Spinks. As a matter of fact, if it wasn't for an Alabama guy to begin with, Miami wouldn't even have a football team, don't ever forget that. Howard Schnellenberger saved that program and built it, he learned how to do it in Tuscaloosa.

    I think you tried to make this thread a pissing contest between Bama and the Canes, but quickly realized you can't piss nearly as far as you thought.

    This ain't Florida St. or Virginia Tech you're screwing around with here....
     
  38. mega-fin-love

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    bottom line....no college team in history is going to beat the Miami Dolphins
     
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    No ones disputing the history of Alabama football. I didnt even think we were talking about it. You brought up how all these recent bama teams could beat the 2001 canes teams and than brought up the 1992 team as if it had relevance to the point you were making. You also said that only canes fans think that 2001 team was the considered the best of all time which is completely untrue. Many people who dont have a bias think the same thing. The thread was about the current day dolphins against the current day college teams. You came in with all the alabama stuff with your big bama sig so how can one not conclude that you came in with a certain bias and agenda.

    As Jcane said, its a shame because i generally enjoy your posts regarding draft prospects and the intricacies of the game. Anyway im done with this but next time leave the alabama glasses at home
     
  40. TedSlimmJr

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    Let's break it down this way....


    The 2001 Canes allowed an average of 9.75 points per game, while scoring an average of 42.6 points per game. They faced 5 ranked opponents that year, and none ranked in the top 10 until Nebraska in the title game. Keep in mind that Nebraska team they beat up on didn't even win it's own conference.

    The 2009 Alabama team went 14-0 while allowing 14 points per game, and scoring an average of 32 points per game. The only reason the defense allowed that many points is because the starters were typically out of the game after halftime of blowout wins.

    Bama faced 6 ranked opponents that year, and 4 of them were ranked in the top 10. They faced the undefeated #1 and #2 teams in the country back to back in the Florida Gators in the SEC Title Game, and the Longhorns in the National Title game (the first time that's ever happened). Bama beat both those teams by an average of 17.5 points. The Longhorns had the "#1" ranked rushing defense in the entire country. Both Alabama's running backs ran for over 100 yards a piece against them.

    The 1992 Alabama defense is the best there's ever been, anybody that was around to watch it knows that. They allowed 9.3 points per game, while the offense scored an average of 28 points per game. They faced 4 ranked opponents that season, including the #1 ranked and undefeated Miami Hurricanes and the Heisman Trophy winner in the Sugar Bowl for the National Title. They beat that Miami team 34-13 without Bama's quarterback even having to pass for more than 50 yards.


    The 2001 Miami team was a great team, but they're not the best team of all time, or even the best team I've ever seen. I watched 'em play too.

    We'll obviously never know who would win that game, but I know this..... they'd have to do a lot more than run their mouth to get the best of either one of these Bama squads. The "other" best Canes team of all time found that out proper in the Superdome in January of 1993.
     
  41. semperkillz

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    Alabama History> Canes History
    Canes Best Team Ever > Bama best team ever

    Look it up...2001 canes team considered best college team ever

    /thread
     
  42. TedSlimmJr

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    Look it up where? I'm going to have to see somebody who's been watching college football longer than 15 minutes vouche for the 2001 Miami Hurricanes as the best team ever.

    You damn sure don't want to compare Miami to some of Bear's Alabama teams of the 60's and 70's.
     
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    Look at all the lists online many websites have one. Even espn has one and in all the ones I saw UM 2001 is ranked higher than any BAMA team.
     
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    I still think that a great college team could beat this season's Dolphins. The Dolphins are not a team.
     
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    I guess I looked it up, I found several different lists of the top 10 teams of all time compiled by several different sources. I've seen the 2001 Miami team ranked anywhere from #1 to #5. Some of them have the '95 Huskers as the best team, some have John McKay's '71 USC team #1, some have the early 70's Nebraska team as the #1.... you get the point.

    It's a matter of opinion depending on who's list it is, but I doubt anybody compiling those lists actually watched all of these teams play. They're basically just using points for and points against like I did, except they're not factoring in the level of competition they all faced. I tried to do that in order to provide better perspective, although it works for Bear's '61 Bama team too.
     
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    nosleep Resident GIF Maker

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    The Canes couldn't even beat Maryland and their WR screen...

    Maryland: "Hey, we're going to run a WR screen on every play."

    Canes: "How did you stop a WR screen?!?! I don't even..."
     
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    Lilseb93 This Is My House

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    A pro team will always beat a college team. It's men vs. kids really.

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    They were missing a lot of starters that game.
     
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    NY8123 Sophisticated Redneck Administrator Finheaven VIP

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    The same website the list the greatest running back of all time and the greatest Quarterback of all time.
     
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    MiamiDolfan85 DA M.I.A IS WHERE I STAY

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    I have to agree.The will to win doesnt kick in IMO til you gain some exceptional seasoning.Like you said these kids were just men among little,tiny,miniature boys.Your're talking about severely unchallenged kids playing against grown men?

    Man,the first punch in the mouth,the Canes would b**** out before the end of the first quarter.
     
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