Dolphins begin preliminary talks about a contract extension with WR Brian Hartline

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  1. FinAtic8480

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    Talk about buying high. Hey Jeff, this is something that maybe you should have done earlier.
     
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    Pay the man. We don't need a repeat of the Wes Welker Giveaway.
     
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    i can only imagine what he thinks he's worth right now coming off beating up on bad cornerbacks...can only imagine...they better be careful with this contract
     
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    Relax. Ireland knows what he is doing. There has to be a scale based on how many tricks the players mother may have turned. The contract will be right.
     
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    One thing I'll give Dawn Aponte and Ireland credit for is they dont hand out ridiculous contracts.
     
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    we'll see how right it is...i'd like to see the guy make more plays though against legit nfl corners if we are gonna pay him legit money...and that game against cro who is hot and cold for the most part hartline was shut down...that said i'd be ok with a $4 mil per deal...he's earned that...you get much above $5 mil though cause he's killing bad football players and i don't think it's a smart investment...i'd rather put that kind of money towards a legit guy...if it gets much north of $5 mil per
     
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    :lol: Word. You're not in the strongest negotiating position when the player you want to extend just had a 250 yard receiving game...
     
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    Ya but it is not like they are signing papers tomorrow or anything, they will take their time.
     
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    True, but if this is the starting point that's being established, the field is tilted heavily in Hartline's favor.
     
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    To be fair, he hasnt had any great years statistically so far. He was injured during preseason. A new offense was coming in. Dont you think they probably would like to see how he is going to fit in before talking extension with him?

    Now it appears Hartline will be an important part of our offense for years to come. So why not try and work out a deal now? You would agree that it wouldnt have made sense to give him an extension at the end of last season or while he was nursing an injury in preseason. Also, he may continue to put up huge numbers and be in an even stronger negotiating position later in the year.

    Working on something right now since we have figured out he is a good fit with Philbin's system is likely a good idea.
     
  12. J. David Wannyheimer

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    Agreed. If the coaching staff believes that his performance here hasn't been an aberration and that he can continue to be a solid contributor in the future, then it only makes sense to lock him up.

    I believe they actually opened discussions with him in the offseason, and then he had that injury that was nagging him for the entire training camp.
     
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    if hartline signs any extension in season you can bet it will be for what the team will consider a homefield discount...my guess though is off his hot start that hartline is gonna want to bet on himself and see what free agency has to offer unless we exceed expectations...and by exceed expectations we come to him with some $6 mil per number or something in that range...they go to him with that and if he's smart he thinks long and hard about it...cause while teams may covet him off what he's done to date they are also gonna look at who it was against...and he's beat up on bad boundary corners starting for one reason or another...william gays not good and the oakland two corners he torched were awful...the jackson kid looks to be solid in houston and he had his moments when he did get run in that one against him...but this guy does not offer much rac and that's a big part of this offense...save for the 80 yard td where the safety went with bess giving him a clear path pretty much to the endzone vs zona
     
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    The timing is funny. That's it.

    I'm happy we're extending him and by the time negotiations are complete the $ figures will normalize. As long as the money isn't crazy, it'd be great to have Hartline locked up. It just seems really funny to me that right after a franchise record 250 yard explosion we immediately start up negotiations.
     
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    Jake Grove says hi.
     
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    Maybe it's a motivational tactic to see if he continues this level of production with the carrot dangling in front of him.
     
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    This will be interesting. Do Hartline and his agent believe he deserves a #1 wideout contract? Do Hartline and his agent believe he will continue to have the year he is having? If yes, then they may bide their time. As Hartline gets closer to 1000+ yards, his price goes up. If he finishes the season with 1,200+ yards and there is no contract done, what will be his demands then?

    How much do you guys want to pay Hartline? $4M/yr? $6M/yr? More? Is he worth that to you?

    It's a tough call for me. On the one hand, I believe that many receivers in the NFL can put up the yards if they are given the role of the #1 WR (e.g. first read on majority of plays, large share of targets, etc.), and that production from opportunity doesn't necessarily warrant "#1 WR money." On the other hand, Hartline has some intangibles that you don't find often in the WR position - namely, intelligence & appreciation/study of the game, as well as what I sense to be some loyalty to the Dolphins. I'm hoping he and his agent are reasonable about their demands and not looking for the biggest payday possible.

    It's kind of like Sean Smith - ok, you've been here for a few years, been pretty darn mediocre, and now you're starting to show signs of breaking out, possibly. That shouldn't make you one of the top paid corners.
     
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    if hartlines looking for true #1 wr money which comes in in the $10 mil range per i can tell ya right now we don't want to go there...that's not a wise money investment...if you went to him with say 4 years $20 mil $8 mil guaranteed right now my guess is he'd take it...that's pretty fair for both sides...
     
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    We lost Welker I do not want to lose Hartline. Pay the man.
     
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    Hartline will not make #1 money. If I am this FO, Hartline has elevated to the #2 receiver role. If another stud receiver is brought in, Hartline is an incredible asset. Hartline will not make $10 million a year. If I head to guess, it would be around the 5-year, $25 million to $30 million range.

    The rapport, timing, and everything Hartline has built with Tannehill this early is incredible. Hartline is a master at running routes and with the timing that he and Tannehill have already shown, it's going to be really hard to stop this combination.

    It is clear, to me, that Hartline and Bess are in the blueprints moving forward. If an option like Greg Jennings becomes available in free agency next season, pull the trigger. If another stud receiver is there when we pick in the first round, we should also pull the trigger.

    Building this foundation around Tannehill is a must RIGHT NOW. We need to give this kid every opportunity to succeed. We need to give him as many weapons as we possibly can.
     
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    Alright, so sounds like you guys are thinking $5M/yr. Where would you draw the line?
     
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    If you wait and see how a guy performs couldn't just anybody be a talent evaluator? His job is to evaluate talent and make educated guesses on how they'll perform in this or that system, I realize its a difficult job and nobody can be right 100% of the time but thats why we pay this guy millions of dollars a year.

    Or am I way off base here?
     
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    Go back and read posts from the preseason. Most on here wanted Hartline cut now they can blame Ireland for late talks on a contract extension.
     
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    With a #1 WR, Hartline at #2, Bess at #3......This will be a juggernaut WR corps, instantly! The key being a true #1 though. I.E. Bowe, Wallace or Jennings. Pay the man!
     
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    You guys need to relax. Hartline's not going anywhere. You think he's going to jump ship after he finally has a QB that trusts him and is getting him the ball? After 3 years of not doing much in the passing game I'm sure he realizes that this team and this QB is his best spot. I was also listening to Drew Rosenhaus talk about it on WQAM yesterday and he said that Brian absolutely loves it here, he loves the new coaching staff and he's building a strong relationship with Tannehill. Hartline isn't going to throw that all away and I don't expect that Hartline would have a big market even if he were to test free agency. No one is going to play top dollar for a WR that doesn't have elite anything...no elite speed, no elite size, no elite strength...Hartline is a very good route runner and he rarely drops passes and that's what he brings to the table. He's not a red zone threat, he's not a big YAC guy (one game doesn't erase the 3 previous years) and he doesn't win contested balls on a consistent basis. He's one piece of a WR corp that needs more help...he's someone you add to but he's not the cornerstone of a WR corp.

    And before you homers say he is a cornerstone I will tell you that a cornerstone is someone like Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, Roddy White and A.J. Green don't even say Hartline is in the same category as these guys.
     
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    this!
     
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    glad they're starting talks...I bet that's another reason they finally signed Gaffney...because they realized if Tanny doesn't have more targets to spread the ball too Hartline's value will be inflated...as long as they wait a couple weeks to sign em I think this is good...I just don't think it'd be smart to sign him the week after his highest ever output
     
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    he's actually worth less now then if we wait till the end of the season
     
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    Really? That was a reason for signing Gaffney? So Hartline's value doesn't go up? It has nothing to do with the fact our 3rd WRs have a combined 3 catches for 31 yards...3 drops and a fumble. C'mon, really?
     
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    i would draw the line at $5 mil per...anything more than that and imo i'd rather just go out and get a true win wr on the outside against high end nfl corners...heck we need that still no matter what hartlines contract comes in at...but i wouldn't pay more than $5 mil per to retain hartlines services...
     
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    I hope they wait unless he takes a very team friendly deal. 4 games doesnt warrent a big extension.
     
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    My thoughts exactly
     
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    I agree nothing over 5 mil.
     
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    For those that say he should have resigned him earlier , why like he knew that Hartline was gonna have a huge game. Hartline had done nothing that made him a must resign early player .
    If he keeps playing well then Im sure we will get it done. Im not a big Ireland fan and would help him pack but you cant pile on him for not predicting lottery numbers. Lets quit evaluating Hartline on one game. Lets see what he can do for more games and evaluate his complete body of work
     
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    Hartline will be 26 next month. I'm thinking a 4-5 year deal for around $16- $20M, a nice signing bonus, and around $3M salary to start.
     
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    While there were some that wanted to cut Hartline, most wanted to keep him....at least in the threads I was involved in. I'm sure there were others as well. Maybe only 10 to 20 percent wanted him cut from what I saw. I was saying they were crazy......but to be fair. No one thought Hartline would play this well. No one
     
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    I dont remember anyone wanting him cut esp with the crap at receiver we had.
     
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    good. Harline deserves it and I hope he plays for us for a long time
     
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    If they wait till end of season and he continues to put up monster numbers he'll be worth lot more then. I agree if its a team friendly deal then give him the extension. The other thing is T-Hill and Hartline do have a good connection and will only be better with time.
     
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    If he he puts up monster enough numbers and he doesnt resign put a tender on him and collect the draft pick. Not worth risk of overpaying now
     

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