Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by DKphin, May 19, 2017.
As precaution or because he wont be healthy enough yet? Thats the question.
I am sick and tired of Pouncey and his injuries every season. Can't count on him when he spends all his time in the training room.
It's really time to move away from him. Here is hoping for a clean break next season no pun intended
Good that we got Steen some reps last year. Pouncey is walking with a cane, that's kind of a problem.
Much ado about nothing. The Herald says the Dolphins might sit Pouncey through preseason and the next thing all hell breaks loose. Gase said the team might not play Pouncey in preseason and sit him in some regular seasons practices to try to get him to play in all 16 games. The starters play 4 or 5 preseason quarters, I'm not sweaating if Pouncey sits out those quarters to stay healthy. If there's a story saying he's expected to be injured through the season openner then I'll get concerned. They said earlier Poncey with the cane was due more to the treatment and rehap procedure than to any type of set back. We'll have a better idea of where he's at come August.
If we're^ being realistic, there is little chance he makes it through the season. With that said, we really didn't have much choice but to hope for the best with him this season. His contract isn't conducive to cutting him this past offseason so we were going to run with him regardless. Barring some miracle where he plays 14+ games next season, he is absolutely getting cut before 2018.
Pouncey is going to end up on IR half way through the season again anyway. He's as durable as a fricken toothpick. Time to move on from these injury prone players and get some players we can count on week in and week out.
Sign mangold now, even if he is a shell of himself.... steen was outmatched when playing center
Maybe Larsen or urbik?
Pouncey... like when he plays but it's time to move on
We need another center.
This guy is a wrap. We need to move one from him
I'm personally hoping that he's just done and either Steen or Urbik steps in nicely and plays well. I just don't see Pouncey being able to be effective anymore with his hips.
Would have been nice if they figured this out before the draft.
Pouncey is our best option at center right now...resting him in the preseason is no big deal to me..IF he can stay healthy this year our run game will dominate...and WHEN that happens our receivers will be hard to stop....we need reps for our back ups anyway...and we need to be as vanilla as possible in the preseason...because when this offense hits the field for real...we will start strong and fast...starting out 6-2 in the first 8 will go a long way down the stretch
Sorry, I'm no doctor, but how do you go from walking with a cane, to playing in the NFL within 3 months. Not possible...if Gase didn't love him so much, he'd be gone....
He should retire honestly.
Dude's turning into another Jake Long for us.
Not that Im not as concerned as others about how much he can play, but todays update.
I've known people who were sore right after a proceedure and were on crutches or a cane one day and two weeks later were walking normal. Remember Pouncey wasn't just using a cane because he re-injured the hip, it was because he just had a steem cell proceedure. it's not like he was walking with a cane prior. It's like freaking out if we saw a picture of a player using crutches the day after he had debris removed from a knee. That doesn't mean he'll still be on crutches 3 months down the road. I just think it's too early to worry about it. If this was August it would be a different story.
Dude is trending toward MISI status.
Soon his value will be nothing and the whole thing will be a total loss. Should've got something for him when there was something to get.
A few decades of inconsistent interior line play and they address the problem with a journeyman and a 5th round pick. What could possibly go wrong?
Everyone seems to be panicking about Pouncey. He is the O-line leader and one of the most important players on the team. Before over-reacting and jumping off the cliff, let's see what condition Big Mike's in at Training Camp. Every senior person in the entire organization knows how important Pouncey is to the team, especially Coach Gase. Tannenbaum drafted Mangold and presumably knows him very well. If Mike doesn't feel the need to spend big $ on Mangold or draft a highly touted Center, then he's probably pretty comfortable with Pouncey and the backup players we've got.
lol thought this said: " pouncey could miss entire season".
But that's kind of the problem. Every season they tell us not to jump off a cliff over the questions on the oline and then a few games in and we all realize we should've already jumped off the cliff.
Well the Gase statements that make this a news item came from a while back, and this was already discussed in depth. Conceptually, I am OK with it, because if the guy can come in and play like he did in his limited time last year, we'd all love to have that for 16+ games. But the reality is that this is indicative of a larger more systemic problem. If Pouncey isn't able to be a fully functioning member of our team, he simply isn't worth the salary.
Now, I'm not for ditching him and eating dead cap when we don't have a replacement and still need another guard plus possibly a RT if we don't re-sign James. That's just reshuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic if we go into another offseason needing 3 more OL. But, this is probably the last season for at least one of Bushrod, James and Pouncey. I'd say one or two of them is jettisoned after this year barring a strong and healthy showing this year.
A guy just stepped out of a time machine next to me on the street. He told me to tell you all that Mike Pouncey will miss most of this season. And every other season. He didn't specify whether this was because Pouncey was injured or in prison, but his look said "if you can't tell, it doesn't matter."
Also apparently Jeff Ireland dies from excessive consumption of bull semen and vitamin C. Not passing judgement, I'm just relaying what the guy said.
Hips don't lie...Poun-ceya, Poun-cee-yah!!!
We already knew this, right? Gase mentioned it a while ago. It's nothing new.
Everything I said about him is playing out 100 percent like it was laid out.
Where are all those people who mocked me and whistled past the graveyard, claiming that "Pouncey would be fine, because front office knows way more than you, etc." and, "You don't even have the right Pouncey brother."
Enjoy another year of fantastically underwhelming play by a player who can't condition or build his base or core, and can't practice full out, and will stumble out for game time and magically get pushed around -- even worse than the last time he missed most the offseason.
Unicorn Pouncey of five years ago is a myth.
The Pouncey taking up a roster spot with a fat salary and big rep -- the now Pouncey -- cannot be counted on without being a liability. The center of Miami's line is the weakest link. Right where championship teams are strongest.
This is exactly why we're overreacting. Too much of a pattern.
Let me guess, you're from the future... Jeff "Red Bull" Ireland, lol Walrus.
The one thing you're missing is that Pouncey's using stem cells. If they work, he'll be like new. However, they have to withstand Pouncey's ***. I'm guessing even Lemmiwinks would cringe at that proposition.
I think you guys are giving this article too much attention. Gase has said in his pressers that he already knows what he is getting with pounce an doesn't need him to over work himself with unnecessary practice. I agree he is injury prone and therefore imo overpaid. But this is also a good thing giving our back up(who will probably end up starting at some point) more reps. Those reps are more valuable to steen and company than they will be to probowl pouncey
So much knee-jerk over-reaction in this thread
That's some quality crap-posting right there, lol.
Buy that man another of what he's drinking, lol.
That's just the point that some of us have been making: IF Pouncey can't *overwork* without messing up his fragile, degenerative, surgically-stem-cell patched up hip, how in the world is he going to be game ready -- either in conditioning or core strength? Did anyone watch him play the year before last when he tip-toed his way through off-season, camps and practices? Put that on rewind and then put it on steroids.
How anyone in their right mind can think that someone in football's trenches can pussyfoot through off-season and in season training, and step up and play at a high level -- well, it's beyond me.
Irony is a funny thing. One day, you're supporting Aaron Hernandez. The next day, you don't have a leg to stand on.
I wouldn't let him play in the pre season if he was healthy. That being said, I don't expect to get 8 games from Pouncey. It seams to me Gase doesn't really value the interior of the OL.
Not for nothing but stem cell procedures are so dirt cheap nowadays I'm surprised Pouncey has taken this long to try it.
This isn't news. Gase said this like 2 weeks ago, and its smart for him to be limited in camp.
I'm a little skeptical if Mike can return to form, but he is 100% worth the shot we are taking on him this season. The fans here are way to gloom and doom. He had hip surgery and was only able to play in 5 games last year, but before that he played in 72 of 80 possible games(16,16, 14,12,14, games played.). Pretty drastic to give up on a guy after one season being injured. Even more drastic when you look at how elite he is when he has played. Imagine if we gave up on Wake after his Achilles?
No problem with this at all. Matter of fact, for the training camp/pre season it gives ample opportunity to someone to grab by the ***** the center position. Crippled Pouncey played and Ajayi runs for 200 yards, damn.
Not saying your wrong here but thats going to be the interesting part of this season seeing whom is more correct the fans or coaching staff. Thats part of why I like the draft process myself when I attempt to match my projections of a players future against theirs. Rarely have I been surprised but will say Gase did surprise me last year and hopefully Pouncey will but I hear you it appears to beva long shot to expect to depend on him. I would have probably held onto Albert one more year myself and lost the 7th round pick.
I like how most of you are shocked... this was known for a while. It was the plan. It was stated he was on pace and might be kept from preseason last month. I believe it was Gase that said that. I don't understand this board sometimes.. Who cares if he doesn't play 4-5 quarters of bullshit preseason football?
Good thing we have 4 guys that can play the pivot in the building
Was anybody here actually thinking Gase was gonna play him in the meaningless preseason games knowing Pouncy is coming off injury and with his history ?
Good time to zero in on a #2 center who could get lots of playing time
Yes I think Pouncey, Steen, Urbik and Larsen have NFL center experience. They also have Jake Brendel at center and Issiac Assiata played some center at Utah last year too.
The problem is that if you take what you are counting on out of the center -- that is, a healthy and throwback Pouncey -- then you weaken the rest of the team by starting the domino effect of perhaps taking away one or more of your best guards (on a team that isn't deep in GREAT guard play already), and then having your center perform at a level below what you planned on.
That domino effect, to this point, over the last few years, has hurt Miami. Players playing out of position and lower-tier players pressed into duty.
Some of that is on the players on the roster, and some of it has to be on the coaches. Other teams somehow manage to shuffle together and stay in top 15 in the league, perennially, on OL. Miami manages to not only stay in bottom twenty percent, but sometimes do so by such a wide margin as being the worst unit OL play that many of us seen. Up until cutting Thomas last year, it was the same horrid song and dance up the middle. Hate to see that repeated on even a fraction of that level, by counting on Pouncey, losing him, and then starting musical chairs with limited talent.
If you like him you have to realize he is done, hips don't lie. Have to get a center. Very unfortunate for us and Mike but it is what it is... can't count on him.
Good to see you back Hoops.
The one thing with Pouncey is he doesn't seem to need the practice or preseason to get up to speed. He goes from the training table to starting effectively. So I agree with sitting him for everything except conditioning and games. That said, I think Larsen was brought in as a contingency for Pouncey going down as much as he was to play guard. Bushrod is probably the RG whether Pouncey plays or not, and lucking out with Asiata in the 5th round means we could still be ok if Pouncey goes down with Larsen starting at center and Isaac on his left.
Wait...since when did anyone think Pouncey could/should play at all this preseason?
Lots of brakes need to be pumped in this thread. If he misses significant time this season we're likely moving on, and in the meantime, he is what will take our line from decent to damn good when he's on the field.