Dolphins defense thinks it can finally solve the Tom Brady Riddle.

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    [h=1]Dolphins defense thinks it can finally solve the Tom Brady riddle[/h][h=2]But they refuse to say the future Hall of Fame QB is 'vulnerable' in any way[/h]By Chris Perkins, Staff writer7:56 p.m. EST, December 11, 2013


    DAVIE –—
    It seemingly happens all the time. A team has quarterback Tom Brady and his New England Patriots on the ropes, en route to a certain loss, only to have Brady rally his guys and pull out a head-scratching victory.
    It happened last week against Cleveland. Brady rallied his team from a 26-14 deficit in the final 2:36 to record a 27-26 victory. And to a certain extent it happened seven games ago against the Dolphins. Brady engineered a second-half turnaround that saw his Patriots outscore the Dolphins, 24-0, in the second half to claim a 27-17 victory.


    The game is never over with this guy. It puts a lot of pressure on the pass defense, even though New England is supposedly vulnerable right now with tight end Rob Gronkowski out for the season with a knee injury.
    "I refuse to answer any question that says 'vulnerable' in it due to the fact of what happened earlier this season," linebacker Dannell Ellerbe said. "Tom Brady is Tom Brady, a future Hall of Famer. Everybody knows the type of player he is, the throws he can make."
    The Dolphins (7-6) have a healthy respect for Brady and the Patriots (10-3). They've lost to them seven consecutive games. When the Dolphins host the Patriots on Sunday they know they'll have to do one thing -- finish the job.
    "We know we'll be able to play with them the first half," cornerback Nolan Carroll said. "The second half we need to be able to come out and finish."
    Opposing quarterbacks have a 76.1 passer rating when they play the Dolphins. That number rates third-best forNFL pass defenses.
    The Dolphins' 40 sacks, led by defensive end Olivier Vernon's 11.5 sacks, are fifth-best in the NFL.
    The Dolphins' 15 interceptions, led by cornerback Brent Grimes' four interceptions, are tied for fifth-best in the NFL.
    The Dolphins, whose defense has a takeaway in every game this season, seems as prepared as they have ever been to face Brady, the future Hall of Famer and tormentor of Dolphins pass defenses.
    They have a good set of bookend pass rushers with Vernon and Cam Wake (7.5 sacks). They have a good inside pass rush among defensive tackles Randy Starks, Paul Soliaiand Jared Odrick. The linebackers and safeties catch a break because they don't have to deal with Gronkowski. And the cornerbacks are playing the best they've played all year.

    Full story- http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-dolphins-1212-20131211,0,4294280.story

    That kind of cunning is why Brady remains perhaps the NFL's most dangerous player, and why the Dolphins have to remain wary of his skills. Everybody in the NFL can rattle off the keys to beating Brady and the Patriots. But few can execute.
    "He is human like everybody else," defensive end Cameron Wake said. "You just do your best to make him uncomfortable."
    The Dolphins' pass defense thinks it's ready to battle Brady for 60 minutes, unlike in that loss earlier this season.
    "Our defense didn't stand up," safety Jimmy Wilson said of the second half. "They rattled off 14 points quick on us and they never looked back. We've been beating ourselves up about that, not finishing the second halves. To win in December that's what we're going to have to do, finish the tight games in the second half."

    Full story- http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-dolphins-1212-20131211,0,4294280.story






     
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    Sounds like "finish" is a theme this week
     
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    Agreed,finishing is critical,but the Dolphins defense seems to be licking their chops over something else.

    Here's why teams usually play a division team tougher the second time around.When you win a game it's hard to fix what isn't broke but when you lose like the Dolphins did vs the Pats you go over game footage not counting the entire season footage from other teams.

    Also the Dolphins pass defense was ranked 25th or 26th the last time we faced the Patriots,they are currently ranked 13th.Our rushing defense is 23rd.
     
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    In the many years of watching the Dolphins play Tom Brady the one thing I've noticed above all things is that if you get to him early...knock him down, sack him (pressures don't effect him) you can effect him for the rest of the game. He gets jittery when he gets hit early. Now Brady has been sacked 36 times this year which is pretty high for him but he's also had plays where he seemingly has 5 seconds to throw the ball. Pressure up the middle is especially effective against him. I think it may have been the Jets game where we had OV lined up over the center, Jordan at DE and OV came right up the middle for the sack. May have been a double A-gap blitz.
     
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    I know we can score points. Tannehill and the boys can go downfield. But we have to stop them from scoring. This game will be on our defense. Tanny can't outscore Brady, but the D can affect that. Pressure all game long. Extra pressure in the 4th qtr.
     
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    I really think whats going on here is what ever game plan Coyle has presented the defense has bought into.Somethings up IMO.
     
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    The Patriots don't have a lot of Offensive weapons without Gronk. We need tight defense to stop Vereen, Amendola and Edelman. If our D-line can stuff the run and also get the occasional sack on St Thomas, we could be very hard to beat.
     
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    Shut 'em out.
     
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    The "Brady Riddle" is easy to solve... get rid of the damn refs
     
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    Yahtzee!!
     
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    Our defense thankfully is not afraid of Brady but that info will not be let out for those media hounds to plaster everywhere...
     
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    I'm so hoping for a win after losing the last 7 but it wont be easy. Doesn't matter who they're missing, as long as Brady's playing they're hard to beat. I don't know if our defense is up to the challenge.

    Ozzy rules!!
     
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    Yes we do catch somewhat of a break for not having to face Gronk. BUt lets not act like he tore us up the first game we played. We held Gronk in check and most TE's we have faced this year.
     
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    What's been frustrating for the Dolphins against the Patriots is how Miami has shot themselves in the foot. Last year, Thigpen fumbled a punt, leading to an early 7-0 lead, and ultimately, Miami was chasing that 7 points the whole game and eventually wore us down. However, you can't think "don't make mistakes", because that thought process leads directly to making mistakes.

    "Do Your Job" just needs to be the mantra this week. Don't look over your shoulder, don't 'wait and see'. Just do your best to dominate the match-up in front of you and play the game.

    "Stop thinkin', kid, you're hurting the team".
     
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    The Brady Riddle is easy to solve but hard to implement: knock the crap out of the whiny prissy maggot at every opportunity. When teams have done that he gets the happy feet in the pocket and accuracy goes south. Tommy no likey touchy.
     
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    I hope they see, after watching film of the Cleveland and New Orleans games, that you cannot play prevent defense with Brady to try to sit on a lead at the end of the game. The Patriots no-huddle attack is lightning fast and they take virtually no time to get down the field and score when teams are sitting back trying to prevent the long ball. You have to play defense at the end of the game like it's still the 1st quarter.
     
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    Also just read which I forgot that Brady only passed for 115 yards in the last meeting.
     
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    I've got a scary feeling the Pats are gonna try and run it down our throats.
     
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    We need to rush 4 men and play coverage. The 4 guys(Wake/Vernon/ Odrick/Starks) need to get to Brady. A few well timed safety blitzes to hammer him would help too.
    Jordan might have a big game this week.
     
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    I hated that Miami waited so long to play AFC east opponents but like how we finish out with the east.

    Pats,Billls,Jets

    If we can get through Pats this week which will be very intense,then Bills road game that final Jets game is going to be nuts in that Sunlife stadium!!!
     
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    A takeaway in every game! That's impressive seeing as a few years ago the defense was dead last in takeaways and had something under 10 for the whole season.

    Coyle is impressive, wait for 2 years from now when Jordan is hitting his all pro status. The defense will be scary
     
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    there is no secret to beat Brady, when the Dolphins have done it in the past it is what they did and when the Gian'ts beat them in the SB it's what they did. You hit him hard and often.
     
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    don't tell me... show me
     
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    Jim Mandich solved the Tom Brady riddle years ago. "If you smack him around enough, he starts cross-dressing."
     
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    Fully expect a heavy dose of the short passing game from NE with lots of screens, crossing routes and running backs isolated on our LB's. Throw in a balanced run game and keep our pass rush neutralized. Our front seven needs to play their best game of the year. Our offense and special teams need to be mistake free. Definitely winnable game, but we need to play our best one in all phases and for 4 quarters to win.
     
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    Hahaha. This freaking game is all about the 4th quarter. It doesn't matter how far up you are, IF Miami's up. They have to be totally tuned in to finish the game, because that's the Pats philosophy. They know coaches do stupid things like playing prevent defense. They steal games at the end like no one,else.

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    I think this is going to be a motivated and tendency free offense for the Pats Sunday. They hate hearing that Gronk is out and they cannot produce.

    Too many here, think the Pats are somehow weak...I do not get it.
     
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    I don't think the Pats are weak....I just have confidence in the Phins....
     
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    They had the same front against Pittsburgh on their last 2 possessions.
     
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    I read the title of this thread too fast and thought you were going for… Tom 'Brady' Riddle…as in 'he who must not be named' made me laugh, then I read it again and realised what the OP was saying.

    Anyhew… back on topic...
     
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    Tom Riddle = Voldemort
     
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    If the offense comes to play for the entire 60 minutes we have an excellent shot. NE wouldn't have been able to get 24 points in the 2nd half if we weren't so pathetic on offense ourselves. You cannot, I repeat Cannot get conservative vs the Pats at any point in the game. If you've been attacking on defense all game and have a lead Keep Attacking. The same goes for offense
     
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    Did I hear something about Tom Riddle? Gosh, hope he doesn't play on Sunday
     
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    Rofl good luck defense. Every time the dolphins play in a big game guess what happens every single time since forever? Our defense always somehow sucks real bad... Our defense is still solid doe so we will see. Hey Ireland u pos if your still our gm next yr make sure u resign big Paul and grimes because if you don't your worse then I thought.
     
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    Every time i read more about this game, I get high on excitement! Literally, haven't had a game ived looked forward too thus much in a long while
     
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    This just has to be the game that they DON'T get a turnover. Nice.
     
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    Ok the team didn't play well in the first half......the 2nd half is ours, we will have a chance to win this game today if our team plays it's best half in the 3rd and 4th today.......I like our chances if we can stop the run
     

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