Dolphins GM Jeff Ireland plans to draft expensive positions

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  1. CRAZYDOLFAN305

    CRAZYDOLFAN305 We Are Still Going To The SB

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    Looks, like Ireland can finally get full credit for the 2012 draft, for either it's success or failure, which is yet to be determine.

    Ireland said "the plan" was to spend a year learning the kind of players coach Joe Philbin likes and needed, and then building a plan around it. He gave Philbin and capologist Dawn Aponte credit for that plan's execution, which began this offseason.

    "I've got a lot of ideas and I have a strong idea of what I'm going after, but I just can't tell you Sean," Ireland said to the season-ticket holder. "Certainly, as I've said before, I believe in drafting core positions."

    "There is strength in core positions. Pass rushers, tackles, receivers, corners," Ireland stated when addressing the 2013 draft. "I like drafting when the core position meets a need, and it meets the grade. And I try not to reach for a need position if I don't have to.

    "We don't draft vertically, we draft horizontally and that's a whole different story to explain that," Ireland said, referring to his approach of taking the best available player based on his tier system.

    To explain the tier system briefly - based on my understanding - each player on Miami's draft board is placed in a tier. Elites are tier one. Possible or eventual starters are tier two, then backups and special team contributors, and so on, and so on. Miami uses their draft picks to select the highest tier player at positions of need.

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/dolphins-blog/sfl-dolphins-gm-jeff-ireland-plans-to-draft-expensive-positions-20130327,0,262439.story
     
  2. DeafAngelboy23

    DeafAngelboy23 Well-Known Member

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    How long has GM Jeff Ireland been around? Nothing happened that was miraculous for us.
     
  3. Bumpus

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    Wait, so you mean we're NOT taking a long snapper at #12??? :confused:
     
  4. CRAZYDOLFAN305

    CRAZYDOLFAN305 We Are Still Going To The SB

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    Except when Pennington felt on our lap. The first designated Franchise quarterback (Henne) didn't pan out, so everything else, never came into place. And he's been solely responsible for everything wrong with the Dolphins since 2008. And since he's been around, nothing good as ever happened to the Dolphins.

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  5. dlockz

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    basically he just outlined the Bill Parcells school of drafting. This off season doesnt exactly match what he is talking about though.
     
  6. DeafAngelboy23

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    Oh yeah Bill Parcells and Jeff Ireland from the Dallas Cowboys days? No wonder they sucked us dry.
     
  7. Travis34

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    Yeah, lets just fire him after a promising offseason so far
     
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    Tavon please!!!!:lol:
     
  9. jimmy42jack0

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    I'm beginning to believe I want Jeff Ireland as GM for life just to anger those who hate on the guy more than the rebels hated Darth Vader
     
  10. dlockz

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    and just ignore his other seasons. He has to be judged on his total body of work.
     
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    Interesting that he said pass rusher first.... considering he hasn't drafted one the entire time he has been a GM.
     
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    Basically what that means is that Ireland doesn't believe in drafting BPA.

    He believes in drafting BPA according to their definition of need.

    Big glaring view into why Ireland chose not to fill holes with excellent talent and value this FA.

    Because he's gonna draft "need" this year. According to their "tier" definition of BPA at "need positions."

    Not the best draft philosophy. At. All.

    LD
     
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    So Vernon isn't a pass rusher? Or odrick?
     
  14. fishfanmiami

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    To be fair Philbin did completely change our offense and defensive system to WCO and 4/3 D.
    He needs a completely different style player than Jeff was use to under Parcells and when Tony was here.

    It took a while to adust I think but this draft should show what Jeff has learned and if he is truly committed to this style of play.
     
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    That is true, but we already know we are stuck with him for at the very least this season. I'm tired of giving him grief, but before FA, I was a hater for sure
     
  16. dlockz

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    Still not sure what he proved. I mean he did go out and get the top free agent but beyond that there are more questions than answers.
     
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    Odrick certainly isnt a pass rusher. We found that out last season. Nor was he drafted to be one.
     
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    OK, I agree that his first couple years here were shaky, but honestly his last 3 drafts in a row have been quite good...

    Mike Pouncey, Jared Odrick were both good 1'st round picks.... Reshad Jones in the 5'th round... these three players are all up and coming stars in the NFL...

    Lamar miller and olivier vernon both played well last year... then you have players like Daniel thomas, Jimmy Wilson, Nolan Carroll, Koa Misi, Charles Clay, Johnathan Martin, John Jerry, Olivier Vernon..... These are all players just taken in the last 3 years!!! a lot of them are starters, competing for starting jobs, or they are key backups... I'm not even going to bring up Tannehill because I believe he was pressured into that one, but it's still up in the air whether or not that works out...

    I mean I must admit the selections of Pat White, Jake Long over Matt Ryan, and Chad Henne were obviously fails.. but his last 3 drafts have been nothing short of elite. The names don't lie.
     
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    :bobdole:

    Other than Martin, that list is horrifying. Second and third round picks shouldnt be "key" backups and on the verge of eating their way off the team.

    And where did all of this Odrick love come from? Did i miss the Hall of Fame sending him a yellow jacket?
     
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    I agree with you. But Odrick is not a budding star by any stretch...gotta see that the GM's learning and I (maybe naive) believe he's making some positive adjustments. This draft will be very telling.
     
  21. dlockz

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    You have to look at drafts free agency the who she bang. The list you brought up with is not that impressive.
     
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    The bottom line is this franchise really went down the ****ter after Marino/Shula retired and from 2000 to 2012, the Patriots pretty much have controlled this division with the exception of a couple seasons when the Phins and Jets stepped it up. But I think we are in position to reclaim the AFC East IF Ireland can make some smart decisions between now and September. Philbin had to deal with the players brought in by the Tuna and others...Ireland also has made some bad decisions, but I also think he has done a pretty decent job as of late.
     
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    Don't you know Ireland was only been in charge since yesterday or some such excuse for 4 straight losing seasons
     
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    This means first 5 picks are in no particular order:

    2 CBs, OT, DE, and WR

    RB in 4th
    TE in 5th
     
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    If that's the case let's sign Dan Marino, Joe Montana, Jerry Rice and Barry Sanders. Based on their total body of work they must be better than everything what we have. In case you haven't realized it yet: this is the "what-have-you-done-for-me-lately"-league. If we go to the Championship game this year nobody will care about the 2008 draft. I am not saying we should give Ireland a lifetime contract but why not wait until after the season and re-assess Ireland then? So far I like what the team has done this offseason. We will only know in February 2014 if it pans out.
     
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    I smell smokescreen bigtime. All it does is confirm everyone's confusion on who we will be drafting.

    last week we heard Rhodes doesnt neccessarily fit. now Cb is big need. But we draft horizontally. okie dokie. it doesnt mean anything except that we will draft a position of need, which has been true.
     
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    and what kind of players were Sparano and Parcells looking for? I believe the coach has significant say into what type of players he wants to coach. The GM's job is to find the best talent that fits the coaches philosophy. If said philosophy is outdated, then the team will not succeed.
    You certainly can't have a coach and GM diametrically opposed in their approach to player procurement.
     
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    Ireland to draft "Expensive Players" in 2013

    http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/20...dolphins-gm-jeff-ireland-core-positions-draft

    Pretty good read here if you're interested in getting an idea of what we are actually going to do in the draft this year.

    There is certainly a case that he might go for a WR, but with the signings we made, I believe it is more likely to see a corner or a pass rush. That's fine by me because I've had us taking Bailey in the 2nd round all year. If he can sure up the defense through the draft and help build for the future now, we are going to be competitive for a long time.

    BTW, I was someone who was hoping they'd take the gamble on The Honeybadger, but by the looks of it, according to what Jeff said, that probably won't happen. I hope they trade the 12th and one of our 2nds to move up for Milliner.
     
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    This signals a lower tier receiver pick to me! 3rd or 4th round. Absolutely no way they pick a receiver with the first 2 picks!



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    I doubt they draft a QB! I'm positive they will draft all the other positions the question is just in which order
     
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    Omar Kelly article...pass.
     
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    It's Omar, but what Ireland says is what he says, so I'm investing more stock into his quotes, as opposed to Omar's analysis.
     
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    NFL.com has a nice read about our draft as well. In that one we are targeting skill positions like WR, CB, Pass rushers. No mention of RB though. I have been thinking we would take OG Cooper if he's three at 12 but I am getting the sense momentum is moving to Austin. I just think his play making ability is too good to pass. Not sure if a pass rusher will be there at 12 or if a quality enough CB will be there. All the dynamic rushers will most likely be gone and only Milliner at this point seems worthy of a CB going that high. So Austin seems to the favorite IMO anyways.
     
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    You are taking stock on a GM's word implying what he may do on draft day?

    Don't
     
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    I thought that's what everybody does lol? Unfortunately him and Armando are embedded deep in the franchise, they have access.
    Hence, I have to decipher through their articles to read only the quotes.
     
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    Odrick was not drafted to be one. I'll give you Vernon who was not particularly good at it. Still, drafting 1 pass rusher in 5 years in today's NFL??
     
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    and yet most teams draft this way. thats why teams get desperate for QB's late in process.
     
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    Unless one was in the Dolphins organization, and has first hand knowledge, the only thing I think we can judge Ireland on is when
    he's been CLEARLY in charge, with Parcells gone. In my mind, it began with last year.
     
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    I said it before and I will say it again, Ireland is an idiot and only got to where he is at because of nepotism. I am just waiting for him to screw up this draft.
     
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    Sad to have that much lack of confidence. Can understand why but it is still sad.
     
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    who should we take then?
     
  42. McMichael

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    Odrick has 57 tackles, 46 solo, 11 Sacks, 1 FF, 1 INT, 4 PD, and 8 STF in the last 2 years.... that is pretty good production. Plus he is still young and improving..

    Also I forgot vernon on the list... he had a promising year last year
     
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    Odrick got 6 of those sacks as an interior lineman in a 3-4. Good job on his part, but not the role he was drafted for or his responsibility. And even if he was drafted to rush the passer, averaging 5.5 sacks per season is bad.

    Lets put Odricks pass rushing season into perspective:
    JJ Watt(and interior 3-4 lineman) had more sacks then Odricks entire season by his 4th game.
    Von Miller had more sacks by his 6th game.
    Aldon Smith had more sacks by his 7th game.
    Bruce Irvin, during his rookie year, had more sacks by his 10th game.
    Chandler Jones, rookie, had more sacks by his 8th game.
    And Quinton Coples attained more sacks then Odrick, though it took him until his 15th game.

    Every single one of those players are less experienced then Jared Odrick. All were first round picks like Odrick.

    Believe it or not i like Odrick. This thread puzzled me at first, because Odrick is usually the scapegoat on this forum. Apparently people have decided to heap praise on everything our front office has ever done because we had a strong free agency period. Odrick is a good player, but he is not a good pass rusher. He wasnt drafted to be one. He is currently playing out of position due to necessity. We need to draft an actual pass rusher and kick Odrick inside.

    And Vernon wasnt impressive by any means of the imagination. I liked that he got to the quarterback(and lord knows ive been one of the top people on here screaming for production), but he showed very little as a pass rusher. Would you trust Vernon to consistently beat NFL left tackles? I dont. Hes a player with a ton of potential that we got for a very fair price. But im not even remotely counting on him. Neither should Ireland.
     
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    Grab the best pass rusher available with the first pick (since that seems to be how you beat NE), Eddie Lacy with the 1st second rounder to shore up the running game, and then grab 2 CBs in your second 2nd round and one of your 3rd round picks. Through in an OL or TE or LB with that second 3rd rounder and you're good to go.

    I love Lamar Miller more than most, but I would want to go into the city with the ability pound the ball as well as a speed guy. You put Lacy back there with Wallace opening up over the top and and you can control the ball on offense. Plus, everyone has two rb's now, and daniel thomas is terrible. If something happens to Miller, being left with D Thomas would suck
     
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    i believe jason taylors first year he got 6 sacks. he was a third round pick.

    olivier vernon also was excellent on special teams. i think the pass rusher thing is a little rich although with all these picks, we certainlyshould load up.

    but one thing on kffl i read is that we are looking to move misi inside, thereby unleashing wheeler and ellerbe to blitz and cover receivers. kaddu should enter the picture as well. in coyles system, the pass rush comes from everywhere. i believe we were ranked 7th in sacks.
     
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    Highly amused that one minute you point to a singular exception as proof that getting 6 sacks leads to greater things(or whatever you were trying to say) and the next bring up a player we spent a second round pick on to get sacks and busted in his chosen role.

    Why should we count on Kaddu at all? He's a special teams player.

    And yes, i forgot: SOVIET MIAMI NEEDS ONLY SCHEME.
     
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    I just hope that Ireland adds more play makers on both sides of the ball. I also hope he understands that we still need more explosive players on offense even after the signing of Wallace. One more thing I hope he's not still thinking that Odrick is the answer for our pass rush opposite wake.
     

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