Dolphins Have Not Had Major Talks With Four Impending FAs/Reggie Bush likely gone!!

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  1. southjerzmastax

    southjerzmastax Well-Known Member

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    SOURCE: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/j...-chargers-mike-holmgren-interested-in-cowboys

    I think reggie bush is done with miami. We need a power back who can pound the ball who can take hits and control the ground game for us. Let Jake long walk. He wants too much money. Why pay him big money when we can fill lots of holes with that money? Let him go...Sean smith sign him back for a backup role. He is not a starting cb in this league we need better. Randy Starks and Hartline should get signed back. They proved to me and all the fans they are good enough to stay a dolphin.Also not listed is Fasano. We need to let him go too. He just isnt the TE we need on this team. His play gets worse as the season goes by.
     
  2. MarshallFin1

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    lol typical miami, lettin go of a talent like bush is just insane.
     
  3. number1fin

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    What have we won with any of these guys?

    My point exactly.

    Let them all walk.
     
  4. MARSHALL~LAW

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    so blame reggie for everything?
     
  6. WVDolphan

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    Bush gone? Im stunned. /sarcasm

    Starks and Hartline are keepers. Sean Smith, as poorly as he plays sometimes is not exactly the worst corner in the league. He is worth keeping for the right price. He is not exactly a player that would be easily replaceable.
     
  7. CalDolFan10x14

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    Other than one or two games, Reggie Bush really hasn't lived up to his talent and contract this season. We can do better.
     
  8. Valandui

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    This exactly. Starks must come back. Hartline is clearly Tannehill's favorite receiver and is a pretty good player to have on your team.
     
  9. number1fin

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    Says you!

    If you like dancing that's cool, I prefer my RB's to hit the hole hard and to head north asap......not east and west.

    Reggie is good for a homerun every now and then, but he is also good for a few negative yardage plays that leave you scratching your head.

    Lamar Miller will replace him.
     
  10. J Tes

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    Starks and Hartline should be at the top of the list. Smith should come back as long as he doesn't expect top 10 corner money. Fasano should also be resigned. Long and his ridiculous demands can go. Bush is gone. They drafted his replacement already and i'm sure he's going to believe he's worth a lot more than he is.
     
  11. Gonzo

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    Yeah, the sidelines will definitely miss him. He's chock full of talent when he's actually on the field...until he stubs his toe. Then it's game over. We need a back that can consistently produce.

    I liked the pick up, but this year he's gotten on my nerves. When he's on his game, he's a serious threat. Unfortunately, defenses know what they need to do to knock him off his game, which is extremely easy to do. I'm tired of seeing him on the sideline nursing some minor injury and I'm tired of the fumbles. I'm tired of how easily he's taken completely out of the game either by minor injury or stopping him a couple of times early in the game.

    The fact that he's our biggest playmaker on offense is just an example of the sad state of this offense. We need consistency, and he's far from that. He also plays a position that any GM worth his salt can replace easily.
     
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    Starks is the best player in that whole crew. He's a top end DT in this league. But top end DT's don't command crazy dollars, so he is do-able.

    Smith is not backup. He's a number 2 corner.

    Hartline is a solid #2 receiver.

    Long is a tough one. He's not worth top 5 LT money, but replacing him, when Ginger has so many other holes (think playmakers) to fill is another one of Ireland's patented two steps back, one step forward moves.

    Bush is a good locker room presence and a solid member of a running back by committee. But he can't break the bank. He's not one of those guys. Good team player, but not a top 5 back or anything crazy.

    Most of these guys are good core team guys. They all could be back at reasonable prices, though.
     
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    Win. But, dont tell this to all of the people with Bush jerseys who get all their football from highlight shows and youtube.
     
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    Sign Starks and do whatever with the rest. I like Hartline but it's hard for me to be happy about a guy whose only scored 6 td's in 53 games.
     
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    mastak, great photo of Wake!
     
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    yep. Never should pay a rb top dollar or draft one in the first round unless your getting Adrian Peterson type talent.
     
  17. OyeDale305

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    Im guessing thats why ireland drafted miller to replace him.. oh well dont mind it
     
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    who really knows all this is just said in the air.

    i didnt really like what i saw from miller yesterday he seemed like he was running in circles and kept slipping.

    Hartline will more then likely be the most likeliest back imo.
     
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    We should give Jake Long Peyton Manning type money foolish Broncos you build around the left tackle!
     
  20. Gonzo

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    When he's on his game, he's a hell of a lot of fun to watch. Unfortunately, that also masks his glaring deficiencies and he's only on his game until he takes his first solid hit of the game. Then it's on to next week for him.
     
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    OMG! NO!

    That piece of crap is so unathletic and lazy in the head. Football requires a strong head. He is soft.
     
  22. PCmor

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    This is prudent. All are guys that can be solid contributing parts to a good team, but none, with the possible exception of Starks, can be a top player on a good team. See what their market is. If you can keep them at a reasonable price, you do it. If not, it's not like they are irreplaceable.
     
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    i bet bush signs with the pats!
     
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    At top 10 corner money....Smith can be replaced. Someone will over pay this scrub.
     
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    Jesus if Thomas is our rb next year goodluck to them.

    Theyll realize 7 games in that he sucks and the usual "they'll look to upgrade the position" crap so that's another 2 yrs away.
     
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    I think it would be easy, to replace Sean Smith. He just doesn't have the winning attitude. The guy is soft, and doesn't like to tackle. I would trade him, for a 3rd round pick and a 5th round pick.
     
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    We'd be crazy to not try and bring back Hartline. Starks should at least get some discussion but I'm honestly not sure if we can accord him. We can talk money with Jake Long and if some team is willing to overpay, which they probably will, you just have to let him go. Average corners often switch teams, so I won't be surprised to see Smith in another uniform and an under the radar FA brought in to replace him. Fasano will get a gold star for participating. Bush won't be brought back.
     
  28. Digital

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    Time will tell whether this is a good thing or not, but I wouldn't jump to any conclusions that the Dolphins have already made any decisions. I would expect most of them back, but none are irreplacable. I'd be shocked to see Jake Long let go because good LT's are insanely hard to find, and despite this season, Jake Long is a top LT with several very good years under his belt and a lot of years ahead. These FA's represent Ireland success stories (Long and Hartline are examples of good draft picks, while Starks and Bush are examples of good acquisitions outside of the draft). Ireland needs as many of those guys around as possible.
     
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    Go ahead. All our D needs to do to take him out for the game is stub his toe.
     
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    Giovani Bernard in the second round,problem solved.
     
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    I predict reggie will finish strong ..and be back..he's too popular to let go..ross knows.
     
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    You know what's more popular? Winning. And Ross shouldn't have any part in Bush's contract talks.
     
  33. MrEd

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    No way let Bush walk. You "franchise tag" him and you let him walk in 2014. Starks, Hartline, most def re-sign. Sean Smith "if" not breaking bank. Jake Long, to me, you can't afford to lose.
     
  34. Gonzo

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    No way is Bush worth what a franchise tag would cost. The guy has had one game with over 100 yards rushing. Hell, he's only had one game with over 70 yards rushing (the same game). He only has two more TDs than fumbles (yes, that includes receiving TDs, of which there are zero).

    If he doesn't agree to sign a reasonable deal based on his actual production rather than his hype, best of luck to him.
     
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    Not true, the franchise tag for a RB is not that much compared to tagging Jake Long, for example SD tagged Sproles, it'll cost like $8mil which is ok, as you don't want to sign Bush to more than two years anyhow. It's a no-brainer, you tag Bush for another year.
     
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    I know how much it is, and he's not worth anywhere near $8 mil. Arian Foster is making $8 mil this year and Bush couldn't hold his jockstrap. His finger might get stuck in the strap and knock him out for the game.
     
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    Gonzo is 100% right. Bush is a fine back but just as Hartline is not a #1 receiver I don't see bush as a #1 back. Miller will develop. Keep our lines intact, resign Hartline and find ourselves a big #1 receiver. Smith is a fine CB and as said earlier, needed for the right price.
     
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    What??? How can we possibly let our all world franchise LT go!!!! Fire Ireland now!!!

    In all seriousness Starks definitely, Hartline more then likely, Smith, possibly and Long no ****ing way.
     
  39. Gonzo

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    Those that would keep Long at all costs most definitely wouldn't call for Ireland to be fired even if he let Long walk. Their opinions of Long would change the instant he signed with another team.
     
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    Funny how that works
     
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    Unless he signs with the pats, which is the greatest fear of all those that want to hold on to every damn player that ever wears aqua and orange. This is, of course, despite the fact that Wake would destroy Long.
     
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    This team just seems destined for 8-8 hell into perpetuity (or worse). We can never keep a roster of talented players because we're always mismanaging our salary cap. We overplay for mediocrity while legit talent keeps walking out the door.
     
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    Hartline - he will probably have a 1000 yard season receiving. He would be a great #3 receiver if he doesnt ask for too much

    Starks - He needs to stay

    Fasano- Nice knowing you

    Long - Good luck, but I dont want him here anymore

    Smith - :idk:
     
  44. phintim

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    I guess I look at it this way what would make our team more complete today. OK 1st probaly is a stud pass rusher, followed by a number #1 WR and shut down CB and FS. So that gets us to the last pick of the 3rd round and guard and LB stick out IMO. Soo we are replacing Clemons, Gafney, Marshall and Odrick positions. Ordrick could be moved inside to replace Starks, Marshall could move to nickle or safty to replace Clemons and Gafney relased to be resigned if needed due to injuries. Clemons would fill in as a backup saftey. There is an issue with the WR positon on this team because it takes intelligence and talent to run it the way Sherman and Philbin are looking for. Proof look at Gafney and the time it took for him to learn it and in fact outside of Bess and Hartline most of our guys must not get it. The last game we won Moore threw the ball less on timing routes and more on players position to the ball. Hate to say it but in terms of a catchable ball I think Moore throws a better one than RT to his WR. RT throws a lazer and Moore a arch.
     
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    Ok I haven't read every dam post but if Thomas is the starter next year imma flip. Now I know Bush isn't the best but signing him to a lower deal would work. he is a playmaker that a team needs . I bet he goes to the pats and we will pay as in the passing game he will kill us. we need to use him more fore passing down and he is so much more productive then Thomas with the same touches. feed bush 20 plus plays and he makes more chunk yards then neg plays..... plus the great Barry Sanders had ton of neg yardage plays but then would break a big one . give bush a shot, loosing him just opens up another hole on this team.....



    now if L. Miller becomes great off the nice runs he has had then I will love to be wrong. dunno if he is a great catching RB tho. I love pass catching RB so let's get bush going please. this last two games isn't all on him tho......



    I agree tho hartline and Starks must stay
     
  46. LouPhinFan

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    Looking into the crystal ball, here's how I think it plays out:

    Long - franchised. We have too many holes to fill in the draft to add LT to the list. We'll see how he plays during his franchise season and if he still struggles then we let him walk after that.

    Starks - wave bye bye. He's gone. Too expensive and we can kick Odrick inside fulltime where he belongs. We'll be drafting another DE is off season to add more depth to the line.

    Hartline - perfect #2 WR for this offense, he gets extended.

    Smith - wildcard. If the money's right, resign him as a #2 CB. If he comes in demanding top 10 CB money, put on the Colts game tape and then start negotiating with him. He WILL have a cap friendly contract or he can kick rocks. Let someone else try to coach the softness out of him.

    Bush - some what of a wildcard but most likely gone. If Bush will sign a cap friendly contract as a utility type reciever threat running back that he should be then by all means sign him back. Daniel Thomas has one more season after this one to develop any kind of running instinct before he gets cut.


    Most likely we'll be looking at the 2014 draft to get a new LT and RB. Thomas won't cut it and Miller isn't an every down back. Perhaps Long returns to his old self next season but I'm not holding my breath. The other big question is exactly how much cap room will we have for 2014 after Ireland screws up the 2013 off season.
     
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    Anybody who says Tag Long is F**King crazy. NO WAY should he be paid $14 MIL next season. I do not see one fricking iota of logic behind this.
     
  48. So Be

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    Getting rid of players, who are not as good as what we would like, is one thing. Replacing them is another. So, who are we replacing all the players we are getting rid of? You knew there would be a catch in getting rid of players? No?
     
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    I think Reggie is getting a jets tattoo next year
     
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    I'm with you on that. Hartline can still excel with a true No.1 on the team. Starks is a good DT and Smith can be a good CB when he wants. I like Reggie Bush a lot but wouldn't be disappointed if he left.
     

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