Dolphins have targeted Hartline and Clemons as must re-signs

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  1. Nublar7

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    http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/02/11/3229029/miami-dolphins-face-quandary-as.html

     
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    I'm not surprised by the fact that we will try hard to resign Hartline but a bit surprised by the Clemons news. Although if he wants to sign somewhere around 3M$, he may be a pretty good option at FS.

    Hartline is the perfect #2 receiver, he knows the system and he's productive + young and dedicated. Add a Wallace or a Jennings and we'll feature a pretty solid trio with Bess.

    I wonder if they'll try to sign Smith too, our CB situation will become nightmarish pretty quickly now that Milliner is clearly out of reach at 12...
     
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    If we sign Hartline to anything close to his demands I'm not so sure we can sign another WR in FA.
     
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    Makes sense.

    Though, I am a huge Starks fan, and think he should be a priority too.
     
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    Agree on Hartline. He's not a guy that's going to score many touchdowns, but he will move the chains and is reliable. I thought he did a good job this year considering he went up against the other teams top corner. I think Clemons is still ascending a bit so I can see that. I'm for letting Smith walk, however. I just don't see a consistently good corner in Smith. Good corners will be hard to find in free agency so I think that will put a huge, huge emphasis on finding two starters in the draft.
     
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    Clemons is pretty underrated around here, and Hartline really showed some good potential this past year. Can't say I'm suprised at all, solid re-signs imo.
     
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    This says a lot about the rapport between tannehill and hartline.


    Glad to see they are putting our biggest areas of concern first, wrs and secondary.
     
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    and ireland said they are working at long. prob trying to get him to a friendly 8 mil or so.

    fasano in the mix too imo.

    clemmons was always on my radar as a cheaper resign and they said they want him back. continuity.
     
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    I don't want Hartline or Bess back...I'm tired of average WR's. Where are Duper and Clayton when you need them?
     
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    good news.
     
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    i watched the oakland game last night and kept thinking how much better hartline will be when wallace/jennings on other side w/ draft choice and a primed reshad matthews sprinkled w/ swope. this guy did this with little supporting cast.
     
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    It would be easier to justify resigning our dbs if they created turnovers consistently.
     
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    Like Hartline but not sure we they are coveting Clemons?? Can someone tell me when he has come up big,with a big play? As a safety, he should come up with more big plays than what he has produced!! I would rather they keep the Solai and Starks tandem together. Starks is the best free agent we have!!
     
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    If we resigned starks along with these two I would be happy to let the rest walk. I figure we would need at least one high round corner in the draft and a FA pickup as well. also spend one of our top 4 picks on a tackle or get one from FA which is what I would prefer
     
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    Great, bring back 2 players that dont make plays. Fits this regime quite well.

    Hartline had 1000 yards becuase he was targeted almost 80% of the damn time on a passing play, he better have that many yards being targetted taht often. TD? 1.

    CLemons, cant hit, can't tackle, can't catch. Great, deserves an extension for consistently being useless.

    2013 already starting on a ****ty note.

    And for those that have ANY HOPE or FAITH in us adding playmakers, i will put $20 down rght now that if we resign Hartline we will only add 1 more WR becuase they believe Hartline is a good WR. Who wants to bet that we won't add 2 WR if hartline is resigned at an outrageous price of probably 6mill a year.
     
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    Clemons hit Big Ben on the goal line and caused him to fumble putting us in a good spot to win the game. Sure the refs messed it up but Clemons did his work there. You asked.

    Clemons is a very good player, and he improves each year.
     
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    bet
     
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    So we get one big play every four years????? Wow, that sounds like our President!
     
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    1000 yards for Hartline is pretty good considering he was THE only WR close to a threat for Miami. Meaning defenders focused solely on him and he still produced. Imagine what Hartline can do if Miami gets a real #1 WR and defenders have somebody else they have to focus on instead of Hartline.
     
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    I don't remember him ever being targeted when he wasn't open, thats pretty impressive if he got open 80% of the time.
     
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    thats pretty ballsy...20 bucks.

    we have 6 picks in first 111 and 45mil in FA. whateva. apparently, you don't listen much to anything ireland/philbin say do you?
     
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    Actually Hartline was targeted 25.4% of the time on passing plays. But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your rants.
     
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    Starks not a "must re-sign"? Didnt he just make the pro-bowl?

    This reeks of another Benny Sapp/Legedu Naanee situation. Getting rid of a productive player to let an "Ireland guy" step in. Hopefully they are just getting the "easy" negotiations out of the way before the tough one.
     
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    Clemons yes, Hartline only for a fair deal. I don't mind 5/22-23 but a WR who isn't a threat to score should never break the bank.
     
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    According to PFF Clemons was #1 safety in the NFL
    with the least amount of tds and 1st downs combined

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    Sorry but Clemons is in no way, shape or form the best Safety in the nfl. I don't care what dumb stats you can come up with
     
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    Tha was just for allowing 1st downs and TD's. He was the #24 ranked safety overall. I am ok at bringing him back cheap as he is solid and doesn't give up the big play, but he doesn't really make any plays either. He plays technically sound but has very little instincts. They may not need to upgrade right now if they bring him back but they will need to very soon.
     
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    Noone ever said he was the best safety in the NFL. It's just pointing out that Clemons allowed the least amount of TDs and first downs, and on more snaps than most. Facts are facts
     
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    Apparently he is when it comes to protecting the end zone.
     
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    No one said he was the best safety, but he is the best safety at not allowing big plays according to that statistic and without any context provided.

    I don't see why we need a playmaker, or how that is even possible, at every position. Sometimes guys that go out there and do their job day in and day out are invaluable to the team. Yeah they might not get the fantasy stats, but they do their job. Clemons is that guy. He goes out there and gets everybody lined up. He doesn't allow many big plays, and he rarely makes mental mistakes. You don't just let a guy like that walk because you think that you might be able to maybe sign someone who can provide a big play every now and then, but lacks in the consistent play.

    TL;DR Consistently above-average/good does not need to be upgraded when there are other holes to fill. If we are able to get a pro-bowl player at every other position, we can then upgrade Chris Clemons.
     
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    Yeah but that's such a meaningless stat when you have scrub corners like we have. Of course he's not going to allow as many first downs and TD's when our corners get toasted all day. Meaningless!
     
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    Add facts.

    Thanks.
     
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    Yeah I hear you. I don't think we need an upgrade over him either but I did misread the previous post.
     
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    Fact- if a corner gets beat often for first downs and TD's, a safety is less likely to be credited with giving up first downs and td's. Anything else?

    Oh yeah...Sean Smith, who lines up on the same side of the field as Clemons, was the most targeted corner in the league last year...fact.
     
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    Only the first part was directed to you. I just had to go on a little spiel there.
     
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    Philbin liked Hartline alot last year in the info I read last year so from that perspective it makes sense that they are trying to resign him. Clemons is cheap or should be and resigning him is like insurance and fills a hole until we find better talent. Fasano is next guybup is my best guess as he should be affordable to. I would love to sign Bush, Starks, Smith, Long and Moore too but let's work our way down the FA ladder starting with the cheaper to the more expensive. Let't face it there is only so much FA money to go around and the higher priced outer FA are the more competition they have on the FA market. Interesting of this group except for Starks spent some time hurt last year.
     
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    So we're signing the two players we should let go of the most. Jeff Ireland you are becoming predictable.
     
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    This kind of puts a nail on the coffin of a Cordarrelle Patterson selection at #12. But this also now leads me to think we are "not" actually going to be pursuing Jennings as it has been expected. If we are going to re-sign our possession receiver, Hartline. This would lead me to believe that we are going to then target Mike Wallace as the complimentary "deepthreat" then. And then maybe draft a "bigger" type in the 2nd or 3rd round to round out the WR group. I find it hard to picture Hartline and Jennings opposite each other if they seem to be the same type of player. Am I missing it here?
     

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