Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by DKphin, May 9, 2017.
Our backups at guard are better than our starters just a few years ago. Getting Asiata in the fold will go a long way. Especially if he can play center.
Early competition is good. Need to stay healthy (Pouncey) and need to have the line settled by 2 pre-season game. We need cohesion and health.
If we get both of those (and lets face it we are due for some luck with OL health) then we should have the best OL we've seen in a long time.
We eliminated the slugs (DT, JD, BT) and half of the injury bugs (Albert) so we are getting there.
The interior Oline play, followed by the coverage of our linebackers are probably the biggest questions we have IMO player wise going into this season. I keep implying it shouldn't take all first round draft picks to play on our offensive line, good coaching corrects this issue.
I am sort of liking it but then compared to what we have gotten by with in the past....as it won't be hard to improve.
Looks better than anything we've had since Dansby, Barnett and Misi with much better depth.
I also think Bushrod will be better in only his 2nd year as a RG and we will get good play out of Larsen at LG.
That still leaves capable backups between Urbik, Steen and Asiata (hopefully). Steen is still an inexperienced but ascending player who surprised some people last year. Urbik should be a RG and with any luck at all, Asiata will have a good camp and either take a starting role, pushing Larsen to either backup center or possibly starting RG. Asiata could even take over the backup center spot from Steen.
(I'm still more worried about DT)
I really believe Asiata will be the starting LG once the season starts. Then the left side of the o-line will be set for awhile with him and Tunsil. Larsen will be a backup at one of the three interior positions.
I like this group better than last year ... but that's not really saying much. If you consider the "interior" line loss of Tunsil, we're not really in a different spot. But the parts to like about this one are 1) Asiata is a good guard prospect who will remain at guard for his career and can both pass protect and blow open run lanes, which we desperately need. And 2) Mike Pouncey can't possibly miss 15 games again next season (14 regular season and our 1 playoff appearance). Honestly, if Pouncey is injured again this season, we may not be any better off at all.
I see Larsen as depth just like I do Urbik and Bushrod. We shouldn't have any of the 3 starting, IMHO. I hope Larsen pleasantly surprises, but I'm not betting on it. I hope Bushrod is better in his second year at guard and with this OL coach ... but he's also a year older, and I'm not really expecting great things from him despite what Gase tells the media.
But if we get a healthy Pouncey and Asiata adjusts like I expect him to, we have the potential for 4 solid OL, and we can probably cover over that 5th spot. I'm expecting it to be Bushrod, but who knows.
I am thinking Pouncy is done with those hips, then no Branden Albert is going to hurt too even though he was on ir some what during his tenure here. Which means we are relying on this rookie to really step up which is a bit of a gamble. Just some facts to consider along with the positives.
100% agree with this, Larsen is a little too underrated on this forum... he's gonna be solid and Asiata might push Bushrod and probably provide good depth across the interior OL.
Our OL and LB depth improved immensely this year, first time I've actually seen DEPTH on those units.
Unlike other regimes who have passed through Miami, I have faith that the coaching staff will be able to coach up whoever they bring in. Let's not forget they made the playoffs last year with a LB corps held together by superglue and paper mache.
Well I'd say that I have faith in Gase. I'm building faith in the rest of the staff.
Burke had only 1 LB with which to work last year, but IMHO, that LB made a major impact on a defense that greatly underperformed. This year, it's all on Burke, as we've given the core players a full season in this defense, he knows the people and the division, and we loaded up his shopping cart full of goodies in the draft and free agency (don't forget Hayes, McDonald, Timmons and resigning Branch). I'm looking for production this year, because 30th at anything isn't going to cut it with this kind of investment in salary cap, draft picks and time.
The offensive line coach seemed to make progress late in the season. Hopefully James' improved play wasn't just a flash in the pan ... as we've seen with him several times in the past. I found it funny that we picked up James' 5th year option, yet the Bills did not pick up Sammy Watkins' 5th year option. That ought to tell you what the staff thinks of his "potential" ... but IMHO, at this point of his career he needs to figure it out. I'd say this is his make or break year. For us and for his sake, I hope the OL coach really has gotten through to him. Maybe he can learn to run block this year.
RB coach has earned my respect. That group is preforming.
WR coach needs to get Parker performing up to his awesome potential before he wins me over. Stills proved it in New Orleans, and Landry is fully self-motivated, so DVP is the measuring stick for me.
DL coach ... simply not good enough. Maybe we can pick up Kacy Rogers if/when the Jet's fire their coaching staff? When a DL has Suh and Wake, both performing up to their ability, and is horrendous vs. the rush and not special vs. the pass ... clearly the coach isn't doing his job well.
LB coach ... well we've discussed this. But, this year we will have enough talent. Kiko and Raekwon give us 2 legitimate three-down starter building blocks. Having Timmons and Misi on the roster should give us a 3rd NFL-caliber starting LB for early downs. Now we should see whether we can coach LB's.
DB's coach gets a bit of a pass. It looked like the 5th of July at the Mayo Clinic last year ... everybody getting injured so fast that they needed a 'Gurney Traffic Controller' to regulate flow to and from the training room. This year with Reshad healthy, the double addition of Allen to keep the seat warm and McDonald to be the real 'other safety' for the second half of the season, we should actually have competent safeties rather than pretenders and converts masquerading as safeties. Maxwell should finally be healthy. Xavien Howard should finally be healthy and no longer a rookie. Add in another year of development for Lippett and draftee Tankersley and we have a lot of talent that wasn't in games last year. So, we'll see just how good our DB's coach really is.
To pull this back to the interior OL, I do think that Asiata was a fantastic pick. He brings a physicality we need and have been missing at guard. Hopefully he works out immediately and fantastically, and this encourages the front office to get someone just like him for the other guard slot during the 2018 draft. After all, the Miami Dolphins have drafted at least 1 OL every draft since their inception. If the game is won in the trenches, and I believe it is, then keeping 5 good hogs owning the trenches on offense is a smart thing to do. As long as we're going to draft an offensive lineman next year ... why not make it another dominant guard and finally fix this tragically comedic offensive line?
I think it may take Asiata some time to adapt. Not only to the level of play but the system. He is labeled as "scheme-diverse" but it still took Jawuan James half the season to get used to a different technique. Larsen has played under Gase's system before so he has a head start and is more experienced. The issue with him could end up being penalties.
"former Ted Larson"? Is his name not Ted Larson anymore?
I sure hope they like the depth in the middle, because Mike Pouncey sure ain't gonna play 16 games.
I do feel better about our guys on the inside this year, compared to last year but I just looked up the three guys we cut loose in-season last year and they're on other rosters.
Dallas Thomas - Philadelphia
Billy Turner - Denver
Jamil Douglas - New England
Did you all notice this? How do you feel about it? Do you give any of the three any chance of sticking with these teams? Should I run to the insurance office and take out a life insurance policy on Carson Wentz?
I think all of them are 3rd string....
Well in the case of Billy Turner, he has tremendous talent and the Broncos' OL is godawful, so they are hoping the light will come on for him. That is not the worst move by them.
Jamil Douglas is by all accounts a pretty solid guy, he just wasn't performing well. In his case, I do believe that we handled his position poorly. He was a college left tackle who was projected to be a left guard in the pros, and we started him out at RG and then moved him to center, where he had never played in his life. He's a player that I think can definitely improve with time and be a solid lineman for someone in the future.
Dallas Thomas sucks and the Eagles are stupid.
In the case of Turner and Douglas, we may feel like those are potential solid NFL players, but the fact is that they were horrible when we cut them, and at that time we needed players who weren't horrible.
Just my take -- but counting on Pouncey for more than a few guest appearances is really stretching it.
I mean its obvious Gase is fully aware of the reality based on his comments about Pouncey effectively getting a pass on practicing.
Personally don't agree with that kind of band aid thought process -- if a dude isn't durable enough for what is expected from everyone else then... pass.
Pouncey is done. I have no confidence in him playing even a quarter of a season, let alone a full season
The oline will be a vast improvement. Start the preferred starting unit and let them gel.
It will take 4-6 games. I can wait for the results.
I sure hope not as that's how last year started. The right side of the line is in tact and should be in way better position to start the season. Bushrod is not learning a new position. Tunsil is not learning a new position and should settle in just fine at LT. He's a natural at that spot plus he will have a vet playing next to him most likely. Larsen has played in 102 games and has 65 starts under his belt. He also knows the blocking scheme.
I look for the offense to come out firing in week 1 against Tampa. The only new guys we have have already played in this system with the exception of Fasano but he is an 11 year vet with a limited role. Bushrod will need some help with Gerald McCoy but other than that....