Dolphins Should Draft QB in First Two Rds of 2018 Draft

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  1. Dolph N.Fan

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    http://www.espn.com/blog/miami-dolp...ould-draft-qb-in-the-first-two-rounds-in-2018

    I agree. This is the draft to take a QB high. I’m not buying QB is the least of Miami’s problems and that Tannehill is going to come back 100% with no setbacks. Miami needs a backup plan. Decide on a QB you like and go get him. No waiting on him to fall to you. Matt Moore and Cutler shouldn’t even be considered options next year. Tannehill is coming off an injury where his mobility will probably never be the same, and we all know he’s better on the run. He’ll be 30, and wouldn’t have played a game in 2 years. I wouldn’t put all my eggs in that basket. If he gets hurt again and Miami doesn’t Draft a QB high, it’s another season down the drain.

    Best case scenario is Miami gets their QB within 1st two rds, Tannehill comes back the same or better than last season and Miami has to make a decision on paying Tannehill and grooming their QB until Tannehill is done or sign and trade Tannehill and go with their new QB for the future.
     
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    agreed 100%

    it's a win/win if we hit and tannehill is healthy. we'll have a rookie contract to let the situation play out.

    tired thinking that a pick on a qb is a wasted pick when we have other holes. we're learning the hard way that a season without a qb is a wasted season, and our picks haven't shown to be any more valuable in the early rounds at other positions. we will always have holes but the one hole we can't afford is a qb.

    get me a qb to sit behind tannehill, and do whatever with the other picks.
     
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    Normally I'd say no to drafting a QB that high with all the holes we have but there's a couple of reasons why it's the smart thing to do. I've always supported Tannehill and feel he wasn't set up for success from the start. Horrible O-line, not much of a RB till last year(which was not consistent)and different coaches to work for. He also "might" come back 100% healthy and pick up the offense they way he was doing when he got hurt but at the same time he will be 30(plenty of QB's have been good deep into their 30's)and he could get hurt again. But the main thing to me is this........we've neglected grooming young QB's for a long time. Tannehill was the first QB we drafted in the first round since 83(Marino) and we have paid a big price for it. I'm not saying we must draft one in the first round but we should draft one no later than the 2nd round. If we were just one or two players away then I'd not do it but we need several players anyway so getting a young QB makes total sense

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    If there's an elite quarterback then the answer is an easy yes. Even if there's a quarterback with a higher upside than Ryan Tannehill I think the answer should be yes.

    I see Tannehill as slightly above average. The team can win with him, but if there's an upgrade at a position so valuable why wouldn't you do that? The Dolphins can essentially do what KC has done this year with Alex Smith. If Tannehill has a terrific season than it's the best of both worlds.
     
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    The 2nd round is OK as insurance, if not a good backup just in case, but the 1st round should not be the time you go QB, when you already have a good one, and odds are, if Tannehill is ready, the 1st round will be a backup only.

    Miami has way to many needs before even thinking QB (TE, RB, G, LB, FS, Corner, DE) to take a luxury pick in the 1st, when Tannehill very well will come back, is still pretty young, and if you put that 1st round pick behind him, will probably leave in FA or a trade, before ever starting a game.
     
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    Agreed. Having Tannehill + a new QB to groom is a good situation to have.
    As much as the OL is a problem, I'm done with this FO spending high picks on OL. Every year the OL is an issue no matter what.
     
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    Sooooo many other needs that i feel are priorities that unless you can get a franchise QB in the 1st rnd you go BPA. We need so many other positions that if you draft a QB that has only slightly higher ceiling than Ryan it's a waste of a pick.
    Not to mention that ceiling is a PROJECTION and with our drafting record not sure if i have faith in our evaluators.
    I keep reading ALOT OF PEOPLE acting like RT17 is done because of his injury. I'm pretty sure there's alot of players who have come back from an ACL just fine. That dude in New England is a pretty good example..... Just my $.02
     
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    30 is not still pretty young.
     
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    Please don't tell me we have all these other team needs after two years of this crap. This is a great year for QB's and we better take one high. I would also say we need a RB in the first 3 rounds too.
     
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    If he can come back, he has at least 4-5 years career left...you are willing to draft in the 1st round a QB to back him up for 4 year?
     
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    I wouldn't, and based on what I've seen on this board in recent seasons, few here would, either. I've read a lot of complaining about early draft picks not contributing immediately, and the thinking now is to use 2 early picks on the QB position when we have so many other more desperate roster needs? This board is an emotional wreck.
     
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    If Tannehill isn’t sucking up the joint no one is going to complain that his highly drafted backup isn’t playing
     
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    if he hadn't had these major knee injuries i'd say no way, but because there is an obvious risk that we lose him again....yes i am happy to draft a first round qb to back up tannehill and serve as an insurance policy.

    just my 2 cents
     
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    AGREED.. and then ALL of the remaining picks should be OL and LBers
     
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    Miami had scouts at the Wyoming game to watch Josh Allen. We also had scouts at the ucla vs USC game to watch Rosen vs darnald. That leads me to believe we are def interested in drafting a QB in the first. That is by far and beyond the most important position in all of sports so let's do it. It's not like tanni is such a great player anyways. I'd rate him about a 5 from 1-10
     
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    Just another thought.... Draft a QB high 1st- 2nd round and not address the Oline is the definition of insanity!!! It won't matter if we had Marino reincarnated he wouldn't succeed. (Alot of other needs) not wants.
     
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    I have no problem drafting a QB........I'm just not doing it in the first round.
     
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    Unless you are sure there might be a problem with Tannehill recovery, you do not waste a 1st round pick on a position that may not even start for a while, if at all. We have way to many issues to take such a huge risk.

    If the staff feels his career may have been shortened by the injury, then use the 2nd to get a QB that can grow with the team, and eventually take over.
     
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    Oh yeah I love the idea of wasting more 1st rd picks in lineman that suck.
     
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    I think we should bypass the 1st round pick on a qb, but 2-3, go for it. Depends who is on the board I suppose in the first. But a top 10 pick on a qb right now may not be wise, when we could get a difference maker potentially on defense, or maybe a DOMINANT OL. Like Quenton Nelson from ND
     
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    I believe it would be better served to get a TE or RB, LB, or even another Pass-rusher then spend it on a position that will not start for a while at best.
     
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    That is almost exactly what we just did with Charles Harris. He may have been starting but he's a developmental guy at a position of need. I don't think we need to be sure there will be a problem, I think we just need to have reasonable belief that there very well could be a problem...which we definitely have. The only risk I'm worried about taking is putting all of our eggs in Tannehill's basket again.

    Sort of a fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice sort of scenario. If Tannehill goes out again mid-season and we didn't seriously address the QB position in this year's draft....well, we will be the fool.
     
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    Again, I used to think no as far as a QB in the first round because a first round should start right away and we have so many holes but that's the wrong thinking imo. Not drafting a QB in the first round because he "might" not start right away is foolish. We passed on Brees, we passed on Rodgers and we passes on Matt Ryan too. We've been complaining about the QB since Dan left but we don't want to do anything about it. My ideal situation would be this......if we're drafitng 6 or 7 then moving down for an extra 2nd or an extra 3rd and then taking a top QB prospect would make sense to me. That way we have the QB of the future and perhaps of the present too plus an extra picks because of all the holes we do have.

    We drafted Harris this year knowing that it'd take time for him. He has ONE sack and 11 tackles all year so why not draft a QB that could lead this team for the next 10 years? And BTW, I'm a Tannehill supporter but there's no guarantee as to what we'll have with him coming back from major surgery and by the time he plays again it'd have been 19 months since he play in a real game and he will be 30. If he goes down again, do you people want Moore in there again? I'd rather have a young prospect that could turn out to be the guy instead of Moore who will never lead any team to the super bowl

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    I've been slowly changing my mind on that. I do think the team can win with Tannehill, but if you have the opportunity to upgrade it makes sense to do it. To me that's the question. Is one of the top five from this years' draft an upgrade or fools gold?

    Fans like to point out that Baltimore won a super bowl with Dilfer and that Tampa Bay won with Johnson. That's true, but they could have had long-term success with better quarterback play. Both those teams had the types of defenses where they should have challenged for more than one title.
     
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    I would normally be resistant to this idea, but while I have every confidence that we would go far with a healthy Tannehill, again playing like a top 8-10 QB over the last 8 game stretch, especially with his long ball accuracy and Stills signed for the foreseeable future, I am not confident that he could overcome those injuries to regain that form.

    Baker Mayfield is an exceptional QB from a skills standpoint. Beyond that he can carry a team, inspire his teammates (who didn't cheer Incog for flipping the Jets bench the bird?), has the "It Factor" and a winners' mindset. While I don't know about some of the other QBs (although Josh Rosen if he comes out is highly touted) if Mayfield is still on the board, I say we grab him and let next season play out, in hopefully a win-win scenario.
     
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    Not exactly the same scenario, with Harris, we needed to have two pass-rushers, and before taking Harris, we had only one pass-rusher that was 35 years old, and declining...that position was and still is a priority to get a consistent pass-rusher.

    I have no problem getting a developmental QB just in case, but 1st round QB are very rarely allowed to go more then one year, without starting. If Tannehill is able to come back, the QB we get will need to back him up for at least 4 more years. That is a waste of a 1st round pick, and a huge gamble on a team that has higher priorities. Use a 2nd or 3rd if team feels they need to get a developmental QB, but not a 1st.


    I am sure the team will have better backup this time, but i doubt very much if Tannehill's rehab is going according to schedule, that they are expecting to get another starter at QB.
     
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    The thing that makes this a tough decision is, Tannehill is not Dilfer or Johnson. Give him average pass-blocking, and he can help to reach the playoffs and beyond every year.

    I have no idea how Tannehill's rehab is going, or what his doctors believe, but if the plan is to have Tannehill ready for next year, you can not take a chance at a QB in the 1st round, even if he is a top prospect. Besides, recent history tells us if there really are 5 or more QB this year that can help a team, one or more will fall to the 2nd, take a chance then if the organization wants to get someone behind Tannehill that they can develop right away.
     
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    if a top qb is on board the dolphins should take him, thill17 is avg at best. we have been drafting og,de,ol for while. with thill17 we may make playoff maybe 1 out 4 or 5 yr. I would do same as what Kansas city is doing now. two yr later. I would move on from thill17 because i feel like he is a 8-8 or wildcard qb who would lose first rd game. it not knock on thill17. just do nt feel he can lead dolphins to superbowl.
     
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    I'm glad to see more of you coming around to the idea of drafting a QB early.

    The sooner we accept it the easier it will be on draft day when we don't take a guard in round 1.

    It's for the best. Trust me.
     
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    A lot will come down to making the proper evaluation on Tannehill. How much better can he be with more talent around him etc? And making the right evaluation on the quarterbacks in the draft.

    To your point, it certainly is possible to find a quarterback past the first round.
     
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    If we're going to do it in the first two rounds then it needs to be in the first round. Far more logic and upside to quarterback first round and offensive lineman second round than the other way around.

    If we do it the other way around then it's the typical get-cute/poor-sense-of-value mode that we've embraced for so long.

    I don't think we'll do it. Tannehill will look fine in the spring leading to the draft so focus will shift elsewhere.
     
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    that why we won superbowl every spring
     
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    Yeah no more Chad Henne and John Becks please.
     
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    2000 to 2017 dolphins draft department... I have never seen team that cannot draft a qb. drew or ryan should of been our qb. I feel that you can get a fan to draft better than dolphins.
     
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    My thoughts exactly. We aren't blowing picks to draft a backup. Might as well take a sought after prospect with an elite ceiling, and those guys go round 1.

    We don't get top 10 picks often when stuck in a 8-8 rhythm, I'm all about using this opportunity to pounce on the most important position in the game.
     
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    Worst comes to worst, Tanny lights it up next year and becomes a probowl QB for the next 5 years. We pull a Belichick and flip our new QB for a 1st round pick 3 years down the road. Kid will be on a rookie deal for 5 years anyway so he wouldnt be costing us a ****ton of cap room.
     
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    You would think trading up for a QB would be no problem for Miami...especially when they trade up for bums like Jordan and Caroo
     
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    ryan tannehill will never be elite.
    with an elite qb you can compete every year.
    i wouldnt draft a qb just to draft one, but if you think there is an elite qb available you absolutely go get him. they're kinda hard to find, and ryan tannehill should not stop you from drafting one.
     
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    Since 2004 there have been 11 QBs drafted in the second round. One of them approaches top-of-the-line caliber (Derek Carr), one is Tannehill-level (Andy Dalton), one is an unknown at present (Deshone Kizer), and the rest are busts.

    In other words, you stand an 82 to 91% chance of failing to do better than Tannehill by drafting a QB in the second round.

    During the same period, 38 QBs have been drafted in the first round. 4 of them are beyond Tannehill's level (Rodgers, Ryan, Rivers, Roethlisberger), while 6 more are unknowns at present (Winston, Goff, Watson, Luck, Mariota, Wentz). The rest are at Tannehill's level or are busts.

    So in the first round you stand a 74 to 90% chance of failing to do any better than Tannehill.

    Whether a QB is drafted in the first or second round, the odds are against that QB's being any better than Tannehill.

    This is why the effort in my opinion should be in signing Kirk Cousins, trading Tannehill for picks, and using the greater than normal number of early round picks to address other needs.

    Cousins is already significantly better than Tannehill. There is no uncertainty there. And obviously the use of early-round picks to address other needs is more desirable than using one or more of them to draft a QB, given that one of the league's best QBs would already be in tow.
     
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    If we continue to lose and have no worse than a top 8 then it’s an absolute no brainer to draft a qb. Everyone that thinks there are more important holes on this team, you are part of the problem. I wish Ryan played this year, and I don’t hate him, but he is an average NFL QB, and average NFL QBs don’t win Super Bowls. There is zero evidence, potential isn’t evidence, that he is anything more than that. There is a lot of evidence proving that he is average. He is 37 and 40 as a starter. He has an 86 career passing rating. He has never won more than 8 games in an NFL season. Then of course you throw in his cap hit each of the next 3 years is right around 20 million, and that he is coming off acl surgery, and drafting a qb is a no brainer.

    Elite QBs change franchises. There is no other position on an NFL roster that can do that. If you are lucky enough to have the pick in a draft that can land an elite qb you take your shot end of story.
     
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