Donald Thomas Worship

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  1. rev kev

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    On this site is un-called for..., just saying..., the guy has done..., um..., that's right nothing..., so before we have his bust made for the HOF...

    Let's see exactly what we got..., because if he starts next year at G..., and that is no sure thing.... then he is still a Rook in my books... who walked on in University..., certainly he has not met his ceiling but really no one knows what we have here...

    Carey could be helped by having soemone who knows waht he is doing next to him..., so don't be surprised if this is addressed in FA and/or the Draft...

    I wouldn't write anything except that it is peeving me off how often I read about this guys heroics...
     
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    How can you call him a bust already he had a solid game against the jets Week 1 then got hurt and is out for the season so i dont see how he is a bust the other RGs we have are a bust
     
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    Didn't call him a bust, re-read...,please... :unsure:
     
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    Sorry i read that wrong
     
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    Im laughing at this thread because it came from nowhere.

    But.....I do feel your point. Thomas does recieve a gang of credit for doing pretty much nothing. He let the Jet's defense push him so hard that it cracked his foot.

    I think alot of people were impressed with the assessments given to him by such veterans such as Ferguson. The head coach loves the kid and I do expect for him to reclaim his position at guard next year during camps.
     
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    Not From nowhere..., XXX i saw twice today people saying how Vernon would be immediately improved by Thomas play..., a Thomas who knows very little about his opposition... so this is all pure speculation... I hope the guy rocks but really do we know that...?
     
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    No we don't know that. Maybe because of Carey's preseason performance with Thomas by his side is what make people think his play would improve. Thomas was said to be a diamond in the rough. I think Sparano could polish him up if thats the case.

    However, i would be mad if they picked up a stud Olineman or two in the draft. Especially if Pennington is with us as the starter next year. He could benefit from some outstanding protection....what u think?
     
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    Finally. I was saying the same thing after he got injured and everyone was talking about what a huge blow it was.

    Didnt our line play improve immediately after he went down? Granted, the run blocking lately has been less than stellar, however didnt we break out with big running games vs. the Pats and Chargers AFTER this supposed future pro-bowler got injured?

    Also, he seemed to be claiming it was a minor injury and that he could play soon after he was hurt. Seems fishy to me the team placed him on IR. I sense it was just a way to sit him for the rest of the year and get him some more practice later on before throwing him back out there.

    But, now weeks later yet again everyone is talking about how great a player this guy is based of like one or two weeks of less than stellar play and a few articles written during camp. A couple guys that he lined up against talk about how strong he is and all of the sudden he is the steal of the year on our OL. :rolleyes:
     
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    I don't won't to hurt his ego (sorry if you are reading this Donald)but we all want a steal in the 7th round..., I think young Murphy could surge ahead next year from his opportunity to practice everyday..., and play time however limited..., we'll see...
     
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    What are you guys talking about? He is a first ballot HOF and he also played though the whole second half after he duct taped his foot back on and no one noticed.
     
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    I must agree with the OP. I have hope that Thomas may develop into a solid G, but he is all athletics and upper body strength right now and very short on experience and lower body strength. He's going to need lots of snaps to get the experience he needs to develop, and his injury makes building that lower body strength very tough. So the OP calling him a rookie in his book ... sounds about right to me. Even if he does develop nicely and quickly, don't expect him to have a G spot sewn up.

    Personally, I think Jake Long's stellar rookie season will see Justin Smiley moved back to RG next year and the open G spot will be the LG spot ... meaning whomever wins that spot will need to be a good pass protector. Thomas certainly has the tools for it, but isn't good enough at it to start until he makes some major improvements. That only comes with experience--which is exactly what he is lacking.

    Donald Thomas hadn't developed into a solid starter when he was injured. He was simply a very raw rookie who was making very good strides. I hope that continues, but he's no lock to start.
     
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    he would also benefit from having a stronger arm. Hence the name: "noodle arm":lol:
     
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    You would or wouldn't be mad if we bolstered the line..., sounds like you would be happy to bolster the line..., I would be delighted to dictate the play to our opponent rather than the opposite... Sure keeps the "D" fresh... And fresh d backs don't look so bad when they only have to play 20 minutes because your Offense is mashing the opponents "D"
     
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    And someone was reporting earlier that Donald was voted to the all rook team with Jake Long for mid-point performance... go figure :rolleyes:
     
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    Where the heck did this come from? I'm still not completely certain halft he posters even know who he is. HE was playing well before the injury, and, hopefully he can continue to do so.
     
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    LOL @ faking the injury just to sit him and let him get practice.

    Hmm, he is wearing a walking boot because he had surgery for a lisfranc fracture. Do you know what that is? It's pretty much a season ending mid-foot fracture that affects everything you can do concerning forward movement with your feet. Ginn received the same fracture in the opening kickoff of the national championship game against Florida.
     
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    If he had been a first round pick who got hurt we'd still be just as excited about his future given what we saw in his limited time. He's a guy who seized a job when no one even him real consideration early on. He was also primarily a basketball player turned football player....that bodes well for his athleticism. He's was considered a boom or bust type guy....all world physical talent but would he get it. It appeared he not only got it....but he punched it in the mouth and ran over it.

    I expect him to build on what he was doing this year, thats enough for me.

    And if I am not mistaken he's the strongest player on the team....Jake Long included.
     
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    I know who he is.....He was in my mock draft....the only pick I got right. Because of his speed....which if I remember correctly was the fastest of all the Olineman in the draft. I thought because we didnt get ole boy from Pittsburgh he would make a good pulling guard one day int he future for us.
     
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    OUR LINE PLAY IMPROVED WHEN HE GOT HURT?? UHHH WHAT????
    Hell no, the RG position went from being one of best filled positions on the team to being a revolving door since he left. Go back and watch some freaking tape of the preseason games and watch him play after play not only crush his man but also help out Samson. He was a beast and then played most of the jets game with a broken foot. This was at a time when our entire OL was just coming together. I really don't know what you were watching but how can you say he was not worlds better than what we have now??
    It's true you never know how a player will respond to a injury but he has as good a chance of returning to the starting line up as Bell did at SS this year.
     
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    "It's true you never know how a player will respond to a injury but he has as good a chance of returning to the starting line up as Bell did at SS this year."

    Very good point. But with a injury like that continue to haunt a Olineman who really depend on great footwork to be a good Olineman?

    One of my coaches use to always call the Olineman the true skilled positions, because they had to have the best footwork on the team.

    It took TG, Jr a while to recover from that same injury...Donald Thomas has teddy by atleast 150 pounds. That has to have some impact on the recovery process and his comeback time.
     
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    To the idiot poster who thinks the team put him on IR just for the hell of it thats not true. He had a lisfranc injury to his foot and just got out of a cast and into a boot.
     
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    He was not a beast - the vets opposite him from his own team no less made some promising comments and everyone like wet themselves...

    We need not run well against the Jets..., and pre-season is well pre-season...

    Were you on the "Drew Mormino band-wagon" last year as well..., because Drew could do wrong too and then he got hurt and was stashed on IR...

    If we want to amke a case for solidifying the line..., then we need talent..., Thomas is still very green..., but he looks promising...
     
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    You have to admit that for a guy drafted in the sixth round to be the team's starting RG after the first week of training camp practice is insane! All we heard about from EVERYBODY is how strong this guy--I'm not saying the guy will be a HOFer, but there does appear to be something there, so I think it's ok for fans to be excited about that. Especially since his replacements have looked like absolute garbage.
     
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    Simply put, the reason I was so upset that Thomas went out was because Parcells and Sparano said he was a great prospect with little experience. I just thought it sucked that next year he will still have little experience. It would have been nice to see our offensive line go through an entire season together.

    We don't know that the same wouldn't be happening with Thomas out there, we will never know. However it's obvious we have no answer at RG since he went down. Seems like they are desperatly trying to replace Ndukwe, but don't have anyone who is any better. Allenman didn't look too hot and McChesney if off the streets.

    Once thing I don't understand about our braintrust is how we are bringing in players who are held in higher regard than the ones THEY CHOSE to keep after camp. That baffles me, the FB situation as well as RG if McChesney ends up splitting time with Ndukwe. Did we keep complete stiffs? What about Trey Darilek? He was the original starting RG and was cut in order to keep these other guys who suck so badly we are bringing in guys off the street and tossing them into games while keeping them inactive.
     
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    Again... it was too early to tell..., we don't know what we have there..., Ferguson said he was strong..., so Thomas is strong..., but whether he can pick up the stunts, pass block and pull at this high level remains to be seen... There is nothing empircal (sp?) to suggest that he is going to stick at RG..., this position is not locked down... :shakeno:
     
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    Understand your frustration I think along the same lines of logic..., I think they motivate our guys play and mind-set as they play for their roster spot every practice and each game...
     
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    It's Bazaar, first time I've vented about it. I know the braintrust know way more than I do about football and I can't complain about the teams turnaround. I just find it very odd. I also just saw on KFFL.COM that Allenman is now really pushing Ndukwe for his starting spot, and this was Monday. Everytime I noticed Allenman he was getting beat. Maybe there were several good plays I missed but I don't know.
     
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    This turnstile is effecting the C on RT... And it could be worse if the Starters sustain any injuries so I'm not really complianing about the turnstile at this point..., I'm thinking looking ahead that we draft a mammoth guard (Washingtons) in the late second or even the third round. Guards are now too expensive in free-agency
     
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    I dont understand when people get excited about a player other people have to come on here and say ow no they really arent that good. Cant we just let people finally be excited about players on our own team. I mean damn why do people aways want other teams players or for us to draft positions that we feel good about. I mean if you are gonna ***** then ***** about our FS or our guard that is playing now.
     
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    Since you didn't take the time to read through the posts..., it's about Vernon's play at RT..., Samson's oplay at C and the future..., next year you still have an untested Rook at RG... or you go find someone...
     
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    Actually I did read the posts, so on to something else. I understand what he is saying and I agree that with Thomas back next year it will help Carey and Samson, but im just replying to the opening post. Its nothing against anyone I just dont understand why people always have to find something negative to say abpout players. All you have heard is the FO is very pleased with his play and they do think he is the future at RG.
     
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    OK then... The opening poster was me and why does everything have to beeither + or - ..., it's reality... we have a depleted Oline... we started with few legit backups and we need to upgrade everywhere but LT..., RT may be suffering due to the interiorsincostsistency and C is erratic too..., we are one injury away from mush...
     
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    I didnt mean to attack you or anything like that, but I do agree with most of this. I do agree we are one injury away from being in serious trouble, and that the trouble at RT and C is maybe because of incostsistency of the RG. Again I didnt mean to attack you or anything like that:up:
     
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    Have you thought that maybe it speaks volumes that Thomas was the opening starter and that is why people are so high on him, on this team, with our head coach, who was a Oline coach with Parcells at the helm, considering all of out other draft picks such as Merling Long and Langford, all of whom seem to be the future of our team?

    Don't you think there is reason to believe that our coaching staff adequately evaluated him as a starter because he was the best man for the job? You are strictly looking at him as a rookie that got hurt whereas everyone else looks at him as talented enough and GOOD ENOUGH to be dubbed the starter from pretty much day one. I believe it was about the 2nd day of training camp that Sparano and Co. declared him the starter and never looked back since. Also at that point they pretty much made it known that they were not looking at open competition at the RG position after that day. That speaks volumes from this coaching staff in what they believe they have in this player.

    Has anyone declared he is there, or where he needs to be? Obviously not. But people feel that there is every reason to believe that he can be a good starter for us in the very near future. If that is too far fetched to accept at this point for you, then I apologize. But dont jump down everyone's throat because they see a lot of good in Thomas because of all the reasons above I mentioned.
     
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    likewise bro... :hi5:
     
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    In my opinion he won the spot out of default..., he would have hit the wall like any other Rook taken so late... the option is there at the end of the year to upgrade RG and that would ease or C and RT immensely... It's just that damn Drew Mormino optimism that peeves me off not every poster...
     
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    I'm pretty sure you could contribute our running game improving immediately after Thomas got injured to the Wildcat formation. Once the Wildcat formation got around to the rest of the league, our running game reverted right back to where it was with Thomas in there against the Jets (maybe even worse).

    And it wasn't immediate. Remember we didn't push Arizona around in the running game and Thomas wasn't playing.

    I don't disagree that we can't pencil Thomas in as our future RG, but I also do understand that our front office and coaches saw enough potential in him to start game 1 and over Shawn Murphy who was picked 2 rounds ahead of him. For a rookie you can't say you didn't like what you saw in the limited time he played in preseason.

    And BTW, no one has really run well against the Jets this year. Jenkins and that DL have stopped the run against everyone, not just the Dolphins.

    This is just ridiculous and you know it. Just by the way our RG position is turning out you should know this is ridiculous. You don't have a guy fake an injury when you have absolutely no answer in terms of a replacement.
     
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    I'm with ya all the way Rev. I think i'm gonna start a thread called "Chad Henne Worship."

    I love this guy dont get me wrong i'm happy he's here. But records indicate that.....HE'S DONE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING so how can all these psychos and nutjobs get bent out of shape that he's not starting? I wish i had a button that made idiots disappear.

    People are infatuated with unproven players for the very sake that they havent done anything wrong. I promise you if Henne were to come in against, oh lets say the pats and throws 3 picks and we lose the game everyone on here would be calling for his head and saying we need to draft a big name QB or FA.

    Not trying to divert to subject change because well, i guess certain people here think i'm Ricky Williams' drug dealer or Chad Pennington's agent undercover, but yeah its the same story with a different face.
    I HOPE the kid does good, but i hope that all of these "experts" that jump out and say he's definatley going to be a superstar i saw him play 3/4ths of one freakin game and he was solid! are all wrong. I'll buy them guns if they promise to shoot themselves. My 2 cents.
     
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    we are seeing much the same... :)
     
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    Personally, I would like to see us draft Herman Johnson from LSU, also a 6' 7" monster at 345. Can you imagine the road gradage on that side of the line? While it appears that Matt McChesney is really liked by Sparano, to have Donald Thomas and McChesney here as depth behind Herman Johnson and Justin Smiley really makes me smile.

    Also, would love for us to draft Phil Loadholdt from Oaklahoma -6'8" 345 tackle to develop behind Carey if Carey stays. That would certainly make me feel a lot better about our line depth.

    WHat do you think?
     
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    Him making the all rook team after one game just shows that the writer of the article must be a hack. In fact he called him a future hall of famer, hmm after one game wow he must be nostradamous. I take your point because many players look much better when you only watch one game of them. One good game does not a career make. Hell Im still waiting for the great Joe Toledo to do all the things that so many posters said he would or anthony Alabi.
     
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    Is Joe still stached on our roster... :rolleyes:
     
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    he is on another practice squad. I remember getting blasted for saying he was a bad pick oh well I hate being right lol.
     
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    I think my plan is to bolster our strength rather than be average everywhere..., that said I would invest in the Oline..., either get that kick *** center from CAL and slide Samson to a G position or bolster through a can't miss road grader... Teams that stay on top solidify their Oline..., and their Dline for that matter...

    If I am the coach and I am not... I really want to dictate to the "D" how they are going to play my "O"... I can do that if my Oline is consistent...

    Me thinks they still have plans for Murphy and Thomas..., but they aren't expecting to build a line through late draft picks are they...? I think not..., but we have no deent back ups as it is...

    FA is too expensive...
     
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    I know you are like me I hate being right to... :lol:
     
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    Your absolutely right. Look at the way Parcells builds teams. Always starts from the lines on both sides, and he almost always uses high draft picks for those positions.
     
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    The coaching staff is the reason why, they have praised him repeatedly.
     
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    I don't pretend to know BP's history but most people on this site will want a WR and a CB with our first two picks..., if we are mid pack team at the draft which we will be..., then a great franchise C or 3/4 OLB or a NT in the first round and a smash mouth guard or go C in the second if yuo do go D in the first followed with the late 2nd rd. pick go Secondary...

    Satele could be a great starting G and our back up Center...
     
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    I think too often we keep citing what Parcells does and forget that Ireland is the GM.
     

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