Dumervil choosing between Broncos & Ravens NOT Fins & Osi to Atl

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  1. Rhoadsy13

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    I'm not surprised & didn't really expect Fins to make a strong push for either, especially since they are in a holding pattern to solve the OT position. Although I was intrigued by Osi as a short tern answer. I think they believe in Vernon & Kaddu plus will look in draft in 1st or 2nd rd for another pass rusher.
     
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    The Fins should turn there attention to solutions on the offensive line and finding bargain deals laced with incentives to various vets.

    John Abraham is still out there and really interests me. Freeney is washed up btw.
     
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    Good.
     
  4. Fins_of_Fury

    Fins_of_Fury In a contract year

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    John Abraham is a former MANIMAL/LONG BEATER he is worth an incentive laced deal. Who wouldnt want to retire to the comforts of South Beach late in their career?
     
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    Waiting for the first poster(I have a very good idea who it will be) to reason that this is another obvious FAILED attempt by Ireland for not landing so and so prospect. 3..2...1!
     
  6. dlockz

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    the only way I think you can bash him for not signing these guys is if they sign so cheap that there is no excuse. I would rather us not sign these guys just because we are not as close to a championship as other teams. I think there is plenty to bash a gm of a losing team of 4 years in a row but this damn sure wouldnt be the reason. I will be truthful I dont even want Dumerville. Osi might be an interesting signing but I would definately gof airly cheap with him, no more than 4 million at best and even then not sure. I do feel both of these players should try to get as good a value as possible esp Dumerville.
     
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    Yes and your right there's still more than 1..........
     
  8. Vertical Limit

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    Didn't think it was going to happen anyways, we need cap flexibility to extend Jones, and then next offseason to extend Pouncey, and Pouncey is going to be expensive...

    Having holdouts on the team is not healthy. Besides, other than the addition of a decent tackle, I think we're done here. Philbin is a build through the draft guy, he was forced to sign these players due to the massive cap space but I don't expect Ellerbe and Wheeler to ever see the full length of their contracts. In two-three years those two will be replaced by someone we have drafted.
     
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    The Falcons let Abraham go and their plans to replace him are with a less productive Osi for the same or more money than Abraham commands. I would definitely sign Abraham to a one year deal over Osi.
     
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    At this point, IF we do not sign Elvis, I think we are slow playing everything and building through the draft. I think Jeff would still like to carry over some cap to next year like he did this year. I do believe he will sign 1 more OL- possibly winston, or brandon moore. Whoever is cheaper. From here he is going to build through the draft. I would expect our picks to look like this:

    1: CB or DE (Rhodes/Trufant or Ansah (spelling?). I believe CB
    2a: DE or OL
    2b: DE or OL
    3a: DB or WR
    3b: DB or WR
    4: RB or DB
    5a: BPA (from here on)
     
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    Wasn't that hopeful for either. We NEED to lock up Vollmer/Winston NOW. Can't let both of them walk.
     
  12. dlockz

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    depending on money great low risk deal for Atlanta who needed to replace Abraham. I did not see it as a great deal for us because we have more depth on line. Would have much rather went for Bennet for us.
     
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    Are you feeling okay today?

     
  14. dlockz

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    I dont bash Ireland for the hell of it I genuinely believe he has done a bad job in his 5 years here.
    I always give my rationale and never just this guy sucks(no offense xpac)
    If I liked a move it would not be in my nature to try to deny the truth and the same with agreeing with a non move.
     
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    Well good sir, you have been mistaken for at least 5 years now. Judging GM's by wins and losses in the early years of their first gig is simply illogical especially if that gm is making more good than bad decisions along the way.
     
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    We still need to create more pressure to overcome the AFCE -> putting it all on Wake is a crazy solution -> I am down with signing Abraham as well
     
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    Naw son, it's already over. The nut has exploded.
     
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    I would have liked Osi, but it isn't the end of the world. Never thought the Dolphins were serious about Dumervil.
     
  19. dlockz

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    You sure you have been following fins, because obviously u have the wrong team

    ---------- Post added at 11:28 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:26 AM ----------

    I preferred Osi also not a big fan of undersized guys but that kind of thinking undervalues guys that have proven themselves
     
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    Yeah boss, I've been a dolphins fan since Chambers caught that fingertip grab off the 360 in the pro bowl and even before that. And I like Daniel Thomas A LOT and that's all I've got 2 say about Ireland and Thomas for that matter, pure intelligence, pure cerebellum which is the part of the brain associated with smooth, fluid, complex body movemements which havve also been scientifically linked with overall intelligence or the "G" factor.
     
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    Well all I can say is OK lol
     
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    Well I must be an idiot, because I have no clue what you're rambling on about.
     
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    abraham then add pass rushers from the draft remember we do have 11 picks!
     
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    This is really IRELAND's first real chance to show what he can do. NEVER before, in his tenure, has MIAMI (a) been rid of PARCELLSBALL and its philosophy and looking to play 21st Century NFL football; (b) had a bunch of REALLY good Draft Picks; AND (c) had a ton of "cap" money. So far in F/A, he has done very well, i/m/o. For example,...

    (1) J LONG didn't fit the z-b-s and looked like a real amateur last sason even when he was healthy. IRELAND didn't pay him a fortune-not even the $9 Million or so that everyone felt would get it done. We now need another T, but I say BRAVO. And WELL DONE! (Let's be honest about it)

    (2) S SMITH was mediocre and overrated on his best day. N.E. in particular would make him look like the joke that he was. So, he's a "known quantity", and not a good one! Good riddance. ANOTHER BRAVO.

    (3) TANNEHILL!!! I don't mind admitting that I was wrong. I felt that GARRARD was a FO publicity move, and that he flat out sucked against anyone good. And that TANNEHILL should sit and learn for a year. But TANNEHILL did VERY well, w/o much help from the WRs in particular! BUSH and MILLER were very good, and FASANO was a known quantity that fit what MIAMI was then doing. But the WRs scared NO ONE, and the biggest deficiency was true deep speed. With all that going against him, he did very well. He LOOKS like a very, very solid NFL QB, after only one year. Yet ANOTHER BRAVO.

    (4) WR's SPEED- Problem almost solved w/ONE signing in F/A. IRELAND spent a lot to do it. But even though he ordinarily doesn't spend freely, he apparently has good enough judgment as to when to do so and when not to. ONE more "burner" in the Draft, and PROBLEM SOLVED...PERIOD.And yet ANOTHER BRAVO.

    (5) THE ILLUSION AT LB- I'm talking about DANSBY and BURNETT here. BOTH of those two were SUPPOSED to be excellent in pass-coverage. We all know that they sucked on the "blitz", but i/m/o they were as bad or worse in coverage: I never saw so many HBs and TEs running as free as the wind 15-25 yards downfield! I guess MIAMI's staff and GM saw it too, and didn't wait until a more convenient time "capwise" arrived before doing something about it!!! Now we have 2 new LBs w/noticeably more speed, and who are also better on the "blitz". And I say BRAVO...AGAIN!

    So, we find ourselves w/c. $18 Million in "capspace", and having made 2 cuts not--that's NOT--designed to save "cap" $$$, but rather to cure a problem. With NO true "cap casualties" or "restructiuring" at all, we have made tremendous progress i/m/o, and we will SURELY have enough "cap" $$$ to sign both a F/A CB and T, in addition to our Rookies. A "weakness" that still exists i/m/o is another pass-rusher DE to play opposite of WAKE. OSI and DUMERVILL were both there, but OSI wanted too much $$$ (which IRELAND refused to pay), and DUMERVILL is very short and more suited to be a 3-4 OLB (MIAMI hasn't signed him--he's obviously "plan B"). I say BRAVO yet again, especially since it just so happens that this year's Draft is LOADED w/pass-rushing OLB/DEs.

    One might be led to say "Well, gosh and golly, Batman. Do you think there was a PLAN here"? To which I'd just say "Yeah...and a damned good one, too".
     
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    In short, If an athlete is very fluid or any human displays the ability to make complex body movemements with ease, the part of the brain associated with these body funtions is called the cerebellum. It has also been researched that their is a high correlation between general intelligence and "fluid athletes". I believe Daniel Thomas to be one of these individuals with a great cerebellum which means he is probably intelligent which is why I believe he was a good pick and I love how Ireland saw this trait too. Time will tell, but I like how Ireland accounts for intangibles in his evaluations, it's why we have Davone Bess.
     
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    Abraham did visit us to already i think.
     
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    Never thought they would sign those guys, look at Ireland's history he's not a guy that signs guys over 30. You can't address every issue in FA, sometimes you gotta let your draft picks play and Vernon earned the right to receive more playing time with his 4.5 sacks in limited action. We drafted him in the 3rd round last year and he's done nothing to suggest he's a bust!
     
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    I couldn't disagree with you more. Ireland chose to be part of PARCELLSBALL. No one held a gun to his head and made him take the GM job under Parcells. He could have turned it down and stayed with the Cowboys. Knowing Parcells, he could have had the foresight to know that PARCELLSBALL would not work in the 21st century NFL. He chose to work with Parcells, he chose to take the job and now he OWNS the results of that decision for the rest of his life.

    Ireland and Parcells failed when they chose Long over Ryan or Flacco. The actions here are nothing more than Ireland fixing a mistake of his own making.

    Ireland drafted both Smith and Davis. Once again he is fixing mistakes of his own making.

    So far Tannehill looks positive but it takes three years to judge a Quarterback. That said, if Ireland had made the right choice three years earlier the franchise would be much farther along than it is now. Once again, fixing a mistake of his own making.

    If there were a dictionary definition for the phrase "fixing a mistake of your own making", Ireland's history on WR's would be the associated example. Acquire a head case in Marshall and pay too much for him. Acquire Hartline and Bess who are the definition of possesion receiver without speed. Get rid of Marshall for Egnew and a player to be named later -- neither of these picks have done a thing to help in the development of Tannehill. Bring in a bunch of free agent crap, none of whom contributed. Finally, overspend for Wallace. I think someone has to be delusional to call this part of Ireland's history a positive.

    This is the only rational statement in your entire post. And even then I'll point out that Ireland was responsible for Dansby's huge contract that we had to replace.

    On the defensive side of the ball we are arguably worse at this point in time with major holes at DE and 2CBs. We still have the same defensive line that was unable to stop NE in the 4th quarter when it matters. We still have the same safeties who have a history of being unable to cover a tight end or stop a quarterback draw on the goal line to save their lives.

    Yes, there was a plan. It was a plan driven by desperation by a GM who knows that he will likely be unemployed next year. He has spent five years failing to put any sort of adequate NFL offense on the field. He created a defense that can't stop upper echelon offenses when required. He creates new holes every time he fixes another hole that he himself created. And the "Positive Pollyannas" on this board all seem to think he should be sainted for creating and maintaining four years of mediocre losing football. Where are Joe Robbie, Joe Thomas and Don Shula when we need them?
     
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    i dont want any of them to be honest if we were to get any of the pass rushers it would be Abraham ..... i think depending on volmers deal with the pats we might sign winston shortly imo.
     
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    That's funny!
     
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    Abraham is the perfect fit for one year deal. He was the guy I always wanted from the start of these guys.

    But to me, DE can be put on hold and drafted. Odrick will likely be playing both positions.
     
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    He picked the Ravens
     
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    I'm fine if we miss out on the FA pass rushers if we address in the draft, but they are going to need to get some guys in other positions via FA, as we don't have enough picks to address all the holes.
     

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