ESPN: Can Miami Win AFC East ??????

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  1. shaqdiese1

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    One of the headaches for the Miami Dolphins the past two seasons under head coach Joe Philbin has been the team’s inability to win within the AFC East. Philbin is a dreadful 4-8 against division teams since taking over the Dolphins in 2013. It’s one of the primary reasons Philbin is a below .500 coach (15-17) in Miami and is on the hot seat entering his third season.

    Can the Dolphins turn things around against the AFC East this year? Winning within the division is the quickest way for Miami to end its playoff drought of six years.

    Here is a preview of Miami’s AFC East matchups:

    New England Patriots

    Games: Week 1 and Week 15

    [​IMG]Analysis: The Patriots have been the beasts of the AFC East for more than a decade. The Dolphins were able to forge a split against New England last season with a big win against the Patriots in Week 15 at Sun Life Stadium. The win set Miami up for a push to the playoffs, but the Dolphins collapsed down the stretch against a pair of division foes. Last season was a down year for the Patriots because of injuries, but they still cruised to 12 wins and won the division by a landslide. The Dolphins must at least split with New England to have a chance to win the division. The Patriots are legit Super Bowl contenders assuming all of their healthy players return. Miami’s best chance to beat New England is in Week 1 at Sun Life Stadium.

    Difficulty level (On scale of 1-to-10): 9

    Buffalo Bills

    Games: Week 2 and Week 11

    [​IMG]Analysis: The Dolphins were embarrassingly swept by the lowly Bills last season. Buffalo won six games, but two came against Miami. The Bills also played backup quarterback Thad Lewis in both games. This is the matchup the Dolphins can’t seem to shake. Buffalo is a team built to beat Miami. The Bills are a strong running team, which wore out Miami’s shaky run defense. The Bills also had a stout defensive line and players who can rush the passer. Miami’s offensive line was atrocious last season. Beating Buffalo isn’t difficult for most teams, but it is for Miami. However, if the Dolphins want to take the next step and get to the playoffs, they might have to sweep the Bills, which is a tall task.

    Difficulty level: 8

    New York Jets

    Games: Week 13 and 17

    [​IMG]Analysis: The Dolphins won’t face the Jets until later in the season. But that doesn’t make this divisional rivalry any less important. These games could have major playoff implications for both teams. The Dolphins and Jets both believe this is their year to make the postseason. The Patriots are the favorites to win the AFC East, and there might be one wild card in the division. The Dolphins and Jets have had a strong rivalry for many years. Recently, this matchup has taken an odd turn, as each team has been able to win on the road the past two seasons. A split seems to be the norm in this series. But if either team could sweep, that could increase its chances to make the playoffs.

    Difficulty level: 7
     
  2. Mr.Frosty

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    i think we still split with new england,
    split with bills
    Beat the jets twice
     
  4. artdnj

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    Oh we can, opportunity has been there but they didn't take it for whatever reason. Let's that they get that monkey off their back and win because it's been within their grasp and they failed mightily. Pats are heading down, Jets are the Jets, and we have to be better plain and simple...opportunity is there.
     
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    A couple of thoughts. Tom Brady isn't the same quarterback he was a few years back. All you have to do is watch the AFC Championship game to come to that conclusion as Brady missed open receivers and essentially was a primary reason the Patriots lost. That said, he is still easily the best quarterback in the division.

    Miami has a distinct advantage over both the Jets and the Bills if Ryan Tannehill can take the next step. Not to be a captain obvious, but that is the key to the Dolphins season and I see tremendous upside with Tannehill. The Jets quarterback situation still seems like a mess. I think Buffalo has a lot of young talent, but qb is still a question mark for them.

    Miami seems set up to disrupt the passing game and to pass the football. I think this will play well against most opponents, but it could still be problematic against the Bills. I think Billy Turner and Shelley Smith could help the Dolphins as more physical players in the run game, but we'll have to see on that one.
     
  6. miamiron

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    I have to disagree with everyone saying Brady isn't the same QB as a few years ago. You take away Hernandez (483 yrds and 5 tds), Welker(1354 yrds and 6 tds), Lloyd 911 yrds and 4 tds and Gronk who started only 6 games. 12-4 record and #3 in the NFL in points scored with NO talent around him.

    If anything he was amazing considering the talent around him.

    As long as Brady is in the AFC east we'll be playing for second
    and with up and coming Buffalo this will be no cake walk to get to the playoffs
     
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    The phins outplayed the Pats in BOTH games last season. I think the phins have a better roster overall. It all depends on Tannehill, as QB play is the difference between the 2 teams.
    With an improved O line, the phins are a better team than Buffalo. Im not sold on Manuel, ditto for the Jets and Geno Smith
    Buffalo beat the phins simply by dominating our O line. Dont think it will that easy for them this yr.
     
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    Why not us?
     
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    If tannehill takes a major step forward absolutely I expect to win the afc east
     
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    It's funny how we go through this every year. I'm saying it wth a solid no. Until they can prove they can win

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    Like you read my mind. This is New England's division until we prove it isn't.
     
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    And prove we will
     
  13. NorFlaFin

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    Win the division is a little strong, Going 500 in the division is a good first step

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    I think it comes down to how well the OL comes together. We have a lot more question marks on the OL than we did this time last year. If everything comes together magically, and Lazor's is allowed to take over all the offense without Philbin getting involved I think we have a chance. But make no mistake we still have huge question marks at OG. I think Dallas Thomas will be ok at OG, but Brenner, or Turner has to come in and step up as the starter at the other OG. If Shelly is the starter at the RG Ryan will not finish the season healthy.

    The LBs play has to be improved also. Misi in the middle has to workout or Tripp has to step up. We have to have a MLB.
     
  15. roy_miami

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    If we would have signed Revis instead of them I would like our chances. But the rich got richer and we're still trying to dig out from Ireland's mess. I predict Tom Brady is going to have one last amazing year then he'll really hit a wall or even retire.
     
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    agreed. and I'll be happy with just a wildcard spot. Anything more than that is icing on the cake!
     
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    Both might not even start.. So far Dallas Thomas is the starter at LG and Shelley Smith is not yet a starter for the RG position.
     
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    whos the starter for the RG spot if it isnt Smith?
     
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    For the Fins to win the division I believe 4 things must happen.

    1. Vast improvement in o-line play.

    2. Vast improvement in LB play.

    3. Better offensive scheme and play calling when reacting to opposing defense.

    4. Tannehill must take the next step in becoming a franchise QB.
     
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    Miami will never win the division with Brady being alive and playing for New England. Period.
     
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    This team is afraid of success. Every year is "the year" and it grows tiresome. I'm in full blown prove it mode. Until they do I fully expect to be 6-10 or 7-9 at best.

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    Agreed and thinking any other way would make no sense. Why have confidence in them when they haven't shown anything in years?
     
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    They will always have the advantage. Even if Philbin becomes a hall of fame coach and Tannehill becomes a hall of fame QB New England still has the advantage of a decade plus of experience and winning together. I agree its almost impossible for us to be better than them, the best we can hope for is almost as good.
     
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    Tannehill should be better this season but who knows, this offense should cause problems for New England, Miami needs to score on more possessions in order to beat anybody. They will never be good enough until they're good enough.
     
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    If Brady gets hurt the other 3 teams have a chance, if not it's NE again.
     
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    Then why even bother being a fan if you can't hope for a better year?
     
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    Sorry but you are seriously kidding yourself if you believe Miami has better roster than the Patriots. Once again it will be New England by at least two games and the rest of the division fighting for scraps.
     
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    I think the 3 teams behind NE are as talented as each has been in a long time, I think any of the 3 can earn a WC spot and all 3 should be in the playoff hunt the majority of the year. Where I think we have the edge is coaching, will that be enough to get in? I don't know but I feel better about this season than I have in a few years.
     
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    You become apathetic.
     
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    offensive schemes gonna have to be good against the pats cause our guys are gonna have problems getting off physical coverage on the outside with revis and browner...heavy motion and movement is a must to get them off coverage...run stacks line up the slot off the los etc to try and get free releases...pats in press man against our for the most part finesse wr core will be a force...would't surprise me if the pats tried to cover clay with that lb collins i think his name is...rediculous athlete there

    pats should be able to spread us out on d and run the ball down our throats so when we do get them in passing downs and distances pass rush must get home...gonna be hard though with those 2 starting tackles the pats have which are both high end players...

    mccourty will be more free to roam and attack this year than prior cause they will trust those corners to win on the outside one on one more and they will take their chances in the slot where we must make hay whoever lines up there for us...pats 2 deep at corner as in top 4 is really solid now

    i'd expect a big year for mccourty with how much he will be allowed to free lance and jump things...
     
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    I don't hate the pats, I hate the jests.

    I respect what the pats coach and QB have accomplished, but that said...

    Brady is clearly not the same QB he was before. The last two seasons he has played great like usual but he missed key throws in the playoffs both seasons.

    Throws he used to always make.

    I think the AFC East can be won by any of the teams except for the jests. The Bills are much better, we have to prove that we can beat them.

    The pats still are the favorite that's painfully obvious. The jests will implode again is my bet. Rex just has it in him that way.

    Bringing in Vick was like a guarantee for an implosion. He will divide the locker room if he doesn't win the starting job, or if he wins it and gets injured.

    It is a train wreck waiting to happen. I love it :brewskis:
     
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    implode again? you may want to check to see who imploded a year ago.

    will Vick divide the LR like he did in Philly?

    Brady is still great, how he took that mediocre team to a title game last year I don't know. Now they have much more talent, I think NE might be my favorite to win the AFC.
     
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    they went 500 last year. so then if they go 500 again, that will be a second step...
     
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    Agreed. They just have "it". It's way too bad b/c I'd love to see Miami compete more.
     
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    I don't mean he will cause any problems, he will divide the locker room just by being there. The other QB will have some supporters and most of the team will want Vick to start.
     
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    did he divide the Eagle locker room? he easily could have. everyone knows it's geno's team unless he falls on his face. There's no controversy as of now and if Geno struggles Vick will be able to step in and play.

    I do have many questions about Geno but he has much more talent around him this year and some experience in the system. I expect he will be much better but we'll see.
     
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    If Miami can sweep the Bills and Jets (Easier said then done...especially the Bills), and Miami has a punchers chance. If it was not for that 1st EXTREMELY questionable game in NE, Miami might have actually done the incredible, and maybe swept the Pats, then again, if Miami had beaten the Pats, they probably would have come in even more focused to Miami and beat them there.

    As it has been said again and again, until someone actually takes the AFC east throne from a Brady QBed, Belichick coached NE team, they have to be the favorites, but anything is possible.
     
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    When they interviewed the eagles players last off season I was completely surprised by how they spoke about that QB competition.

    I don't see any way that geno beats him out legitimately and there ALREADY is stuff that's been said by Vick and Geno about that competition and it hasn't even really started yet.

    The ny media will do whatever it takes to get good quotes and ignite controversy.

    Who is 'Everybody', all of the NFL the players I've heard or read from speak about Vick.
     
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    I disagree with the folks who say that we cant beat the Pats as long as Brady is playing. He's only human. He is a great QB, but he's not infallible. Proof is he's been beaten by this division and outside of our division. Its not like he cant be beat. Problem is, we haven't been good enough most of the time. If our QB is legit as well as other variables turn up solid, we have a very good chance at beating them out. But those are big IF's. If our QB ****s himself and/or the other question marks come up as failures, then it'll be another season of disappointment. It aint up to Brady, its up to the Dolphins whether they want to succeed or not, injury bug dependent.
     

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