Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by finny1333, Apr 20, 2012.
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"Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, Miami Dolphins fans. But it's probably going to be awhile before your team is a legitimate playoff contender again.
A disastrous offseason has gutted this once-promising team. Now, Miami is in full rebuild mode under rookie head coach Joe Philbin.
Miami is not a quick or easy fix. Here are five reasons why the Dolphins are a long way away from being a contender and probable for another top-10 draft pick in 2013: "
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This guy is sure taking a stretch /sarcasm.
I should've went to school for journalism.
We have a very good and young defense. We will draft offense this year and build on what we already have (Bush, Thomas, Bess, Hartline, Clay, Long, Pouncey) and intriguing prospects (Gates, Messam, Pruitt, Wallace, Brown).
No, we're not going to win the SuperBowl this year... Neither are we going to select in the top 10 next year!
It hurts to read the article, but, he speaks the truth. NO Homerism here, just too many question marks surrounding the offensive side of the ball. Then factor in the 20+ F/A, Miami has going into 2013 and you can see why it could be a long road, before the team wins consistently again. But on the bright side, IF players like Jones, Wilson, Murtha, Gates and Clay can develop the Secondary and TE/WR position become strengthened, as well as, having found a potential long term answer to the RT spot in Murtha, things begin to look alot better moving foward!!!
Wow that was a complete garbage piece.
Amazing how he goes from obvious statement to inaccurate statement and back again from paragraph to paragraph.
Just another opinion. I don't care about opinions. We all have them. Let's see how it all plays out during the season.
"...the Dolphins lost their starting right guard and starting right tackle in free agency..."
Or they were dumped and still unemployed... I guess I missed them being scooped up by some other team
Gutted? Nah. We got rid of a WR that gets paid $10 million a year to drop 6 TD passes, 3 of which were game winners. Sounds like a good move to me. We got two 3rd rounders based on his reputation, but if we were compensated on how he actually played, it should have been a 5th rounder.
How is trading Marshall "gutting the team"? lol. Garbage article.
not gonna criticize the article, but I'm gonna repeat what I said in another thread; let's see how the team responds to Philbin and the new staff. The two biggest issues I see right now, are lack of playmakers at WR, and lack of pass rushers (OL isn't that terrible).
Good scheme can cover up weaknesses.
For once I will start the "let's talk about the you know whos" discussion :chuckle:
lol, lost the RT and RG? Who did we lose them to? I'm pretty sure they're still out on the street with no team to play for. I hope they sign somewhere so they can at least help us get a compensatory pick in next years draft.
And how exactly is Columbo a loss.. If anything addition by subtraction
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This is typical lazy, uninformed, national media reporting, they don't even bother doing simple research.
Get a franchise QB and everything is fixed. Its really that simple.
I agree with the blog.
For everyone declaring "What garbage, that article sucks because...ugh...it just sucks, got it!", lets break it down, though i'll leave out some parts that i consider common sense or compliments(as i dont think people are objecting to Walker saying "i like their defense"):
Check. Matt Moore is a gun slinger. Players and coaches have stated that they like his "moxy". He is not afraid to throw it up and let the receiver make a player. But no one can say hes a precision passer. He isnt someone who is going to place a premium on ball placement(and anyone who actually watched him throw last year can vouch for that). He's what, a 5th year player? 4th year at best? What you see is what you get at this point.
David Garrard hasnt taken a snap since 2010. I actually like Garrard and wish him the best. But i do not expect him to take us to a superbowl. He is 34 years old and coming off a injury. That certainly counts as "a question mark".
Check. Many people on this forum wanted to replace Hartline last offseason. I couldnt count how many "we need to bring in Randy Moss" or "bring in T.O." threads there were. And now everyone is excited for him to be our number 1? Hartline is a decent enough player. But he will never bring in double teams and worry opposing defenses. Same with Bess(who's arguably more talented than Hartline). Nothing Gates or Naanee has done thus far screams "game changer". Gates is fast, but then again so was Ginn. This isnt Madden people, other teams know exactly what we have on offense and they prep their defenses. To suggest they wont be stacking the box is absurd. They did it in '08 when we had a better quarterback(albeit with limited arm strength) than we do now. There is no reason to think they wont do it again.
Left out the part concerning offensive line because...well...duh. For our offense we wont get enough starters in the draft to fix every single hole. Even if we draft Tannehill he will undoubtable require a year on the bench. You dont win games with "potential".
Mostly check. Id argue against Ireland as a decent talent evaluator, but for sake of argument lets say he is. Fact: several players bashed Ireland, for whatever reason. Fact: Peyton Manning refuse to meet with our front office and only Philbin got to make a selling point to him, for whatever reason. Fact: Jeff Fisher took the Rams job over Miami, the reason for which is because of our front office structure(the exact problem is in question, though it has been widely reported by inside sources from both camps that it was because Fisher wanted a third party to oversee disagreements while Ross wanted Ireland to have full control). Fact: Ross does want to win and is willing to pay, but so far his paid investments havent panned out like he expected(example: Brandon Marshall).
Anyway you cut it, even if it is just perception, Miami is shaky at best.
I dont completely agree with this. Our numbers last season werent outstanding, but they did a good job when they needed to last season(second half of last season anyway). As well, stats can be misleading, like Wake's "sack total" being low but his "disruption total" being extremely high...yet only his sack total is mentioned. Our defensive line will be stout and shut down the run game.
That being said...i do agree with other parts of this point. We do need another pass rusher. No one should find that offensive or vulgar. Wake is only one man who is now learning another position(albeit a job he has been performing for years and should be easier for him). Its been suggested that Misi is being moved because he cant consistently rush the passer and JT retired. Common sense says we need a second pass rusher. No matter how good Coyle is, losing Mike Nolan hurts. Our secondary is also worse than last season. Our safety position is in complete disarray. We had a hole at free safety last season and to cover that we cut our strong safety? Thats suppose to make things better?
Anyone who thinks signing other teams backups or moving corners to safety is going to make the position better is delusional.
Check. Our division rivals are simply better at this point. Patriots will be contenders and probably finish in first place so long as they have Brady. Bills fixed their arguably biggest hole with a slam dunk signing(and a lesser signing who should be adequate to acceptable). The Jets are the only team that could take a step back. They are older and they to have alot of holes. Their team is one distraction away from falling into disfunction: Scott has already tried to leave, Holmes-Sanchez have been trying to repair a bad situation, the Tebow factor, and now Tannenbaum is having to field questions about Revis's contract situation...2 years after caving and giving him an extension. That being said, they do have some talent and even if the Jets fall apart, they could still very well finish higher in the division than us.
I didnt see much in this article to lose my mind over. To say we could be picking in the top 10 next year is common sense....as we are picking in the top 10 this year. Without a doubt, we had a better team last season than we do at the moment and still have the 8th pick in the draft. Even if we have an oustanding draft, we cant fix all of our holes. Cant fix even most of them. There is no quick fix for this team.
Lost.....hahahhaaaaaa. Lost Marc Craplombo, oh that's a good one, a knee slapper.
In order to be lost someone has to be looking for you, discarded is a better word here.
Definetely some valid points there, but I cant say that it'll be a while til we are legitimate contender. Way to early. we are only what two months into the offseason and haven't even had the draft yet? No, we can be a playoff contender (friendly schedule helps) if this FO has a strong outting in this draft, and finish out this FA with some nice depth players.
Getting rid of a pro bowl WR for 2 #3s? Maybe we should call and find out if anyone else wants to trade the #1 on their team for the same. Worst move of the offseason, besides not replacing him, but homerism will always find a way to figure how it was a good move. Even when we are below avg again this season.
Im sure we will be such a better offense without a WR with over 1000 yards, 80 rec, all the double teams he had, etc etc.....LOL
This guy has never written anything positive about the Fins. He is a ****ing joke. Gutted? This is just another example of lazy journalism. It is like eveyone forgets the season. Nobody wanted to play the Dolphins in the second half of last season, no one. Without anything in this world to play for - this team competed week in and week out. And yet, all of that is just forgotten. ESPN is just a bad example of what the media in this country has become.
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I'm sure we will miss all those dropped touchdown passes too!
Uh, does it really make what he said any less valid, though? Marshall had issues but he was still the closest thing the team had to a legit consistent playmaker type. I need to see more from Reggie Bush before I can count him. What the guy said is true, though. The offense has spare parts. The defense is solid but very unspectacular and can and will be thrown on with regularity. The pass rush situation is a joke and there is no guaranteeing it will be much better after the draft.
You can't call the article garbage just because it flies in the face of your never-ending optimism. He brings up very valid points as things stand right now. I know a lot of people here, including yourself, love to put on the apologist hat, but look at it objectively. You have people on here focusing on the reasons guys like Colombo are gone instead of focusing on the fact that those spots are going to likely be filled by people with big question marks at best. Did Walker maybe come across a bit too hyperbolic at times? Yeah. Does it completely undo the points he made? Nope.
When we are back to no chance at the endzone or kicking FGs all day....tell me that again.
1 trade of a person who did not fit the mold of a new head coaches system, who was beleived by some to be a loose cannon, and who many fans constantly said to "Trade for picks" and it is a "DISASTROUS OFFSEASON"
you know sometimes i wonder why every season in the NFL is said to be a "UNEXPECTED CRAZY IRONIC UNPREDICTABLE WILD SEASON IN THE NFL" then i realize - its b/c the damn "experts" and "journalists" just flat out SUCK at predicting the results of the season in the first place.
i place no stock i this crap. we can play with almost anyone in this league. talk to me week 3 or 4 .
and yeah - Marshall is the only playmaker - OK. what were you saying when he had one of his many epic drops in huge games last season? i personally though at least last season reggie bush was our best offensive weapon and player - marshall was great but lets not overplay him. and if he was not there, you really dont know what could have happened. Without turnstyle colombo fasano could release more to catch the ball, bess would have gotten more looks, clay too, you really dont know. I was a bit shocked at the loss of Marshall too, but its really been over played a bit. getting rid of marshall does not signal a complete "rebuild" its one player.
It is garbage because he starts off saying Miami gutted their team this offseason. Besides Brandon Marshall, who they got value for, they didn't lose really anyone. Hardly "gutting the team", wouldn't you say? What he says afterwards doesn't matter because he lost credibility right off the bat.
2 #3's for a pro bowl WR is not Value.
That's ridiculous, dude. Listen to yourself. He definitely made a misstep with the use of "gutted", but that in no way renders the rest of what he said as invalid. If I tell you the sky is green and then go on to recite some fact based thing afterward, does the green sky remark really mean the rest is suddenly just magically unfactual? Come on. You're really reaching.
In 2 seasons Brandon Marshall dropped more TD passes than he caught. He has been on 1 winning team in his entire football career. (And that was his rookie year in Denver, when he hardly played.) It was addition by subtraction.
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No, but it oes mean that the rest of what you say is suspect at best, and more probably just wrong.
No it doesn't, either. Not when the bulk of what he said is simple fact rather than some editorial piece. Are you going to try and put some sort of happy and hopey spin on their situation at WR, QB, OL or pass rush areas? How can that even be disputed? You don't just disregard an entire thing because of a couple stupid statements that are designed to evoke the type of response a lot of you are biting on. I know it's easy to just put on the blinders and willfully dismiss things as "oh, look, another Dolphins hater", but that is such a simple, narrow minded way of looking at things. You only do yourself a disservice in life by being that limited.
the fact that he didn't even know what happened shows his lack of knowledge and therefore credibility
and replacing Colombo with a question mark is an upgrade because there was no question about how bad he was
Check the teams he was on, clearly wasn't his fault that those teams failed, but its only a team sport when you have to make a case against BM I guess. It was all his fault nobody else could produce here last year receiving right?
Addition by subtraction? LOL...like I said, we'll see when our #1 WR is Hartline.
You are confusing opinions as facts.
Am I? It isn't fact that the WR and pass rush situations are atrocious? LOL, come on, dude. I know you are as super homeriffic as it gets, but Jesus. You can't see the forest from the trees. You are willing and able to just blindly disregard an entire article because he said "gutted" and I am the one who is confusing something? That's the funniest damn thing I have heard all week. I couldn't care less what kind of blind optimistic spin you want to put on it. The bottom line is that there were plenty of valid points in the article. Ones with far more merit than what you have to bring to support the opposite.
i dont think it was the just the "gutted" aspect, it was as many other posters referenced, the loss of Colombo and Carey as if they just lost all-pro in their prime anchors to the o-line, he did not explain one was one of the worst lineman in all of the NFL and retired, and the other not a single team has brought in for a visit and it had been a long time coming for Vernon who is just old slow lethargic and goes down easy
he says they gutted the team, but did he mention they resigned one of the best DTs in the NFL in Solia, and for a steal none the less, or added a valuable nickel corner in an all passing league?
Taking a look at the contracts that expire at the end of the season I think it is fair to say Miami is in a complete rebuilding phase.
Fair enough. That seems like a valid point. However, it still doesn't change the fact that he raised valid points elsewhere. The spirit of what he said seems almost spot on to me aside from the "gutted" comment and talking about the jettisoned linemen. No matter how you slice it, this team is likely going to be mediocre at absolute best, which was his ultimate point- that they are severely lacking in talent at many key positions and likely in a long term rebuilding phase, and are likely looking at a 3rd or 4th place finish.
Instead of focusing on what was inferred, how about focusing on the point of the message: Miami has holes at right tackle and right guard. Doesnt matter how good or bad those positions were in the past, its a hole now. This sort of knitpicking over "what it sounded like" or the word "gutted" should be beneath us. Its no different than saying the rest of the article is completely irrelevant because he misspelled a word in the beginning sentence. Focus on what was said, not over how it sounded.
I'll excuse him for not going head over the moon ecstactic for resigning a player. Should he also swoon over the resigning of Phillip Merling? And im not sure paying 5 million dollars a year for another teams backup, who will be a backup for us in certain formations, is considered all that noteworthy. Well, all that noteworthy in a positive way.
Point of his article: Miami is rebuilding and do not be surprised if they are picking in the top 10 next offseason. To everywhere who disagrees with it: insulting the writer or dismissing the article because the author used a single word that you dislike does nothing to convince people that we will win alot of games this season.
oh great another "expert" opinion
The pass rush situation is atrocious???? We have the guy that's statistically the best pass rusher in the league. Does he need help? Yes, but I'd hardly call the situation atrocious, and we have no reason to believe we wont resign him unless his demands aren't in line with his production. Sounds like you are the opposite of "as super homerific as it gets", and that doesn't mean you're realistic.
You are missing the point. No one is arguing that they sucked, the point of the article is that have yet to be replaced. You have to replace talent with talent, and we haven't done so.
Personally I think the article was well written and spot on. I was going to start a thread about the defense a few weeks ago, but what makes our defense so special?? Nolan was more the reason our defense was good last year rather than talent. We are good against the run, that is our claim to fame. But that is like hearing "she has a good personality", when you ask, "how does she look". The NFL is about passing and stopping the pass, and like the man says, we can do neither. Todays NFL defense is about getting intelligent playmaking safeties, we have NONE. The closest things we had to an average safety is no longer on the team. No wonder teams didn't run on us, they didn't have to, passing was just too easy. And I see no reason for ANY improvment this year. Acutally much like Reggie Bush's numbers, I expect the defense to take a step back.
But all of this isnt doom and gloom. If we get people in here that can turn things around it is fine to have a bad couple more years. Just don't kill the messenger when he tells the truth. This isn't a 8-8 football team right now on paper. A top 10 pick in next years draft seems HIGHLY likely to me. Name 10 teams that are sure to do worse than us this year.....and NO college teams don't count.
LMAO!!!! Thank you, that made my day!!! You really should do stand up. NFL teams want to play the best, to see where they are. So to say no one wanted to play us is saying we weren't worth playing. Maybe that I can buy into, but if you are sitting here and saying the 2011 dolphins had opposing coach and players up paceing the floor in fear, dude you really gotta lay off the caffine.
What was inaccurate?? The only thing that I can see that could have been inaccurate was that we were good against the run. Maybe it should have been, we were average against the run. Other than that it was a very flattering article when compared with where we really are.
Take this article to ANY other team website and see if they think it is poorly written. If you take it to all 31 other teams at least 25 will say it sounds pretty spot on, but of course they all hate us too I guess. Take off the blinders people, we are who we are.
I didn't miss anything. I understand what he is trying to say, but if he isn't going to take the time to research simple facts like why those two guys aren't on the team anymore, then why should I listen to the rest of his opinions?
by saying they were "lost in free agency", not only is he completely wrong, it looks like he is deliberately trying to paint things in a negative light.
I'm not denying that the Dolphins need at least one O-lineman and at least one WR in the draft, I'm just tired of the piling on from lazy hacks like James Walker
If youll excuse me, just going to go ahead and quote myself here:
By the way, Vernon Carey and Marc Colombo WERE lost to free agency. In the most literal since. Im not sure how thats deceitful.
if you throw something in the garbage, you didn't lose it