Final Top 32 Big Board 2014

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  1. futurescout

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    1. Sammy Watkins WR Clemson
    2. Jadeveon Clowney DE South Carolina
    3. Darqueze Dennard CB Michigan State
    4. CJ Mosley ILB Alabama
    5. Teddy Bridgewater QB Louisville
    6. Jake Matthews OT Texas A&M
    7. Greg Robinson OTAuburn
    8. Mike Evans WR Texas A&M
    9. Calvin Pryor FS Louisville
    10. Anthony Barr OLB UCLA
    11. Timmy Jernigan DT FSU
    12. Eric Ebron TE North Carolina
    13. Taylor Lewan OT Michigan
    14. Justin Gilbert CB Oklahoma State
    15. Ha Ha Clinton-Dix FS Alabama
    16. Stephon Tuitt DE Notre Dame
    17. Brandin Cooks WR Oregon State
    18. Khalil Mack OLB Buffalo
    19. Zack Martin OG Notre Dame
    20. Dominique Easley DT Florida
    21. Ryan Shazier OLB Ohio State
    22. Jace Amaro TE Texas Tech
    23. Derek Carr QB Fresno State
    24. Marqise Lee WR USC
    25. Trent Murphy DE Stanford
    26. Allen Robinson WR Penn State
    27. Lamarcus Joyner DB FSU
    28. Carlos Hyde RB Ohio State
    29. Kelvin Benjamin WR FSU
    30. Shayne Skov ILB Stanford
    31. Austin Seferian-Jenkins TE Washington
    32. Gabe Jackson OG Mississippi State




    #33 Jimmy Garoppolo QB Eastern Illinois I had a high 2nd round grade on him before the Shrine Practices, and believe he can be a pretty good starting quarterback. Just felt I had to include him
     
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    I think in two or three years, you'll look back on your evaluation of Manziel and search for what you missed.
     
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    time will tell
     
  4. FearTheBeard

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    I like these rankings a fair bit. Calvin Pryor is gonna be a flat out stud. I really like Denard too, think he's the clear cut top corner, but I'd be hard pressed to put him in my top 3 with his injury history. Same reason I'd struggle to put Pryor that high (although I'm tempted) because his style reminds me a lot of Bob Sanders, which may open him up to injuries. The one guy I have high that I don't see on either of your big boards is Hageman, what are your thoughts on him? I think he's the next Calais Campbell.

    You probably won't see Tuitt in my top 32 tho.
     
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    Hageman is a freak athlete, but he disappears a lot in games, plays too high, and doesn't separate and disengage that well.
     
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    I love that guy. I've been happy enough with his tape, maybe I've just watched his good ones. That explosion and length is right at the top in the class, if Jadaveon wasn't in there he'd probably be the most physically gifted. He's a top 15 guy to me, which is probably as high as you'll find. Big fan, Pryor is definitely my favorite tape, really fun guy to watch.
     
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    No doubting his freak athleticism. Supposedly runs a 4.8 and can 360 dunk. I just think he is too risky in the 1st round or top 50 picks
     
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    Fair enough, I'm not even a freak athlete guy I generally have the same philosophy. I agree about his pad level, but I think his blend of length and athleticism is too impressive. I couldn't seriously take a guy like Tuitt over him because he doesn't have half the explosion I see from Hageman on tape. His production is good enough compared to other guys who seemingly find themselves in the top 10.
     
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    I think Hageman is a 5 tech in a 3-4 only. And a 3 tech on the nickel package. As for Tuitt, he was recovering from a sports hernia during the beginning of the season, and gained some weight so he did lose some explosion, but I think he will get it back. His hand usage is pretty good.
     
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    I think he'd be great in the hybrid 3-4 that so many teams dial up. His best position is definitely 3-4 DE, but I think he could line up outside the RT in certain situations, I see a little Greg Hardy in him.

    And ya I'm definitely being a little hard on Tuitt, gonna watch him a bit more. Right now a round 2 grade.
     
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    first off i applaud the fact that you are willing to put it out there and i'm sure you are also willing to defend your rankings if pressed with good insight...

    having said that and i havent done as much work as you have but my thoughts are you are too low on khalil mack i think he's the most explosive edge burst and explosion guy in the class and has real strength in his hands...there's a lot to work with there at the next level imo...it wouldn't surprise me if he went in the top 5 top 10 at least and in front of anthony barr who i dont see the same level explosive edge quality from...if i'm looking for a top edge pass rush talent that's the guy in this class for me...

    the brandon cooks take is interesting...that kids more quick twitch explosive than his teammate marcus wheaton was last year...a little rich for me though there

    zach martin may be one of the 10 best guys in the class but since he projects at guard and it looks like he has somewhat short arms and will be drafted as such i think someone will get a hell of a player further down in round 1...there's no lack of strength there...he's like a fire hydrant...and he turns people in the run game...i'm a big fan of his game...underrated feet and move athlete projects like logan mankins to me...

    i'm not that high on timmy jernigan i don't see it like that i'm not sure what i think of taylor lewan still ha ha clinton dix is not a top 20 bpa for me off what i have seen...

    i think you are too low on jake mathews...his junior tape at right tackle was probably the best tackle tape i have seen just textbook imo he's the best looking tackle prospect in either of the last 2 classes...just flawless in a lot of ways...so to me straight bpa speaking he's the top player in the class...

    i totally agree with bridgewater as the top qb his presnap reads are really good and he can throw with paste and accuracy rolling to his strong or weakside...good feet steps up in the pocket when he needs to should be able to add some good weight and i see high end intangibles there...would like to see him hit some more things from the pocket but again the reads are so good i expect like i do with tannehill that will come in time...imo teddy bridgewater won't beat you with bad decisions and poor reads...pocket qb slight build but his games not to contact so he can have a real shelf life...

    trent murphy for me that's too high...i wonder if he's a maxed out guy already and i dont see anything that projects high end as a pro...a guy that can do a lot of things but none of em overly well kinda strikes me as a overachiever...but i want to take a little bit more of a look

    anyways keep em coming...
     
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    Agree with literally all of that except for Jake Mathews. He's a technician but I like where he is here, he doesn't blow me away. He's a very safe pick, not top 3 talent for me tho. Martin would be a great get in Miami. The beauty of Mack is I could literally see him work at any LBer spot in any system. I still think his best fit is in a 4-3 but the flexibility is endless. Haven't look at Cooks, need to watch Jerrigan more.
     
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    that's just it jake mathews is not gonna just wow you with athleticism or shred the combine but his technique his footwork his hand placement and use his knee bend and lateral agility is pretty much flawless...and he's got the mathews pedigree to boot...i run the damn card up i don't care if over the long term he may project more to the right side...as far as i'm concerned he can play swing tackle if the other starting guy got hurt...

    it was obvious last year that he was better than his left tackle starting counterpart who got drafted top 3...
     
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    I agree, top tackle in the draft last year. Didn't like any of the top 3 last year. Funny enough tho I was big on Menelik Watson.
     
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    i'd keep that one to yourself :lol:
     
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    Tuitt played well against USC this year but if you back and look at his 2012 tape you will see the explosion he had then.
     
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    I join hoops in applauding the choice to put it out there.

    That is a downgrade from your previous listing of Derek Carr and I think this one is more realistic. Conferences that are inept in pass defense invariably allow quarterbacks to thrive on garbage short throws and bubble screens, which inflates perception immensely. When the defense overreacts to those plays, it allows cheapie out and up deep throws. Consequently everything is less than it seems. That was partially true of Robert Griffin in the Big 12 and I think it holds with Carr. He's not good under pressure, from what I've seen, and he'll wing it flatfooted into coverage without concern. Hard to believe he won't have high interception numbers.

    Bridgewater should be the top pick in this group. I love Clowney and I'm high on Manziel but Bridgewater's skill set and body of work will more often than not equate to the number one difference maker, IMO.

    I actually like your lower rating of Khalil Mack. I was going to comment on that. I've seen him top 5 to top 10 and I think that's too rich. That conference is very weak. I love to oppose them in bowl games. He wasn't a highly rated guy out of high school which makes me question his true upside. I think he'll be very good but not the freak that some are projecting.

    Van Noy should be in there. I saw enough last season...awesome instincts. 2013 means nothing , just like the most recent tape often means nothing.
     
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    He wasn't my top tackle! Guy moved so well at the second level, thought he would've been a great fit for us considering the Raiders used our pick to draft him. Lets see how he looks when he's healthy next year! Plus so far Lane ain't looking so good for ya! :lol: that's the draft for ya.
     
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    lane johnson will be fine...menelik watson needed a year in an nfl weight room before you put him on the field anyways...
     
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    He was extremely raw, injury didn't help. I'll definitely be keeping my eye on him, maybe turn into a Joe Barksdale.
     
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    i was thinking more a will beatty if he pans out...but i was higher on beatty coming out than watson...beatty was very athletic and long just needed time to put on good weight etc and become a solid pro...showed pretty decent for how lean he was at the senior bowl week as i recall
     
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    I meant more of a late bloomer who I was high on coming out. Barksdale showed well this year with the Rams.
     
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    You should look at a lot of Brandin Cooks tape. Dominates all 3 levels. Threat to score every time he touches the ball, highpoints the ball and will win a lot of 50/50 balls for a player 5'10. Not limited to just a slot receiver because of his height. Big time deep threat. The best route runner in the class. Great hands catcher.


    I think Zack Martin is better than recent guards like Zeitler, DeCastro, Cooper, Warmack.

    Jernigans really good with his hands separating and disengaging in the run game. The guy just knows how to use leverage and hands to get off blocks.

    Jake Matthews clearly best tackle past 2 years. I just have players at other positions rated higher than him overall.

    Bridgewater's last grade was because I was worried about his size but I have no doubt he is a franchise quarterback. He is so damn accurate. He's good with his eyes moving safeties and goes through his progression well. He also is pretty good when having to improv.. made a few Manziel type plays in the 1st half against Miami..There's a lot to like. I was just concerned with him being listed 196 on Louisville's roster. He has had a few minor injuries at Louisville and been nicked up already. But I don't see that as a problem. Brady looked like a toothpick in college and still does anyway. Besides that torn acl in 08 he's never missed a start. Houston will take him 100% O'Brien doesn't take that job without taking Bridgewater #1.


    Murphy is an edge setter without elite explosion but makes up for it with good snap anticipation. High motor guy that can win the edge with quick hands, walk tackles back with his bull rush.. and counter to the inside. He may not always be a double digit sack guy every year. But he is the right place in the right time pass rusher with a complete game. Kind of like a Rob Ninkovich type player. He has a good arsenal in his pass rush and can play frontside blocks.
     
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    Jimmy Garoppolo was really close to making this. But I'm not sure if he is a franchise quarterback so I gave him a 2nd round grade
     
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    Well Flacco proved, if you can play you can play.
     
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    Garoppolo has a chance to rise in the Shrine Game/practices and the Senior Bowl/practices
     
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    Looking forward to watching him Saturday, only seen a few cutups.
     
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    any reason you don't have bortles up there?
     
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    I think he will be a bust.
     
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    Manziel is going to be a big time playmaker at the next level. Sure he's going to be a headache off the field at times but I'll be floored if he gets out of the top ten.

    Kyle Van Noy is way underrated. Very instinctual three down linebacker. I think he goes top 25.

    Trent Murphy will be a real solid pro. Reminds me of Bjorn Werner last year. Does everything, wows you with nothing.

    I too believe Mack goes top ten ahead of Barr...

    Verrett from TCU is one of the top thirty two players in this draft IMO. The only reason for him to fall is size.

    Another guy who has my attention is Richard Rodgers from Cal. I'm not talking top thirty two here but I think he'll work his way up to maybe the second round.

    One other thing. Its hard to figure out where David Fales' stock is but thats the QB I'd keep an eye on.
     
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    This isn't my prediction of where players get drafted, rather who I think are the best 32. Manziel will be a top 10 pick. Van Noy can't play in space. Takes bad angles and misses tackles in the open field. His only real fit would be a 3-4 OLB but he is a little undersized for that now. I have Fales the #4 QB after: Bridgewater, Carr, and Garoppolo. I gave Garoppolo and Fales 2nd round grades.
     
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    Had to add Jimmy G to the list at #33. He is a much better prospect than Manziel, Bortles, EJ Manuel, Geno Smith, Brandon Weeden, Andy Dalton, Jake Locker, Christian Ponder, Jake Locker..
     

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