Finheaven's QB Rankings?

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  1. So Be

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    We've all seen countless QB ratings and rankings from many a site and tons of experts/analysts. They have been dissected and trisected with endless stats and opinions. This is different.

    Pick the QB you would most want for this team at this time, and rank the QB's you would want over Tannehill. Everything should be considered, age, talent, potential, system, and surrounding players, etc.

    Some may want an All Pro to win now. Others may want a QB who grow with the team, and be here for 10-15 years. Should be interesting to see what the forum thinks.
     
  2. hoops

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    well with aaron rodgers out with a broken collarbone there is no other qb i'd rather have for the long term than the one we do have...people just don't get how good this kid is and how high his ceiling is and what's left on the bone
     
  3. J. David Wannyheimer

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    Well, I know I don't want Geno Smith. :lol:
     
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    I would take Russell Wilson over Tannehill in a heartbeat. Nothing against Tannehill, I just think Wilson is that good. I wasn't a fan of Wilson coming into the draft but man has he proved a lot of people wrong.
     
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    Brady, Brees and Manning are all great, but are on the tail end of their careers and could have the bottom drop out on their skills at any time.

    A Healthy Rodger is the only one I would take over Tannehill.
     
  6. Shouright

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    In order:

    1) Rodgers
    2) Wilson
    3) Rivers
    4) Ryan
    5) Luck
    6) Stafford
    7) Foles
    8) Kaepernick
    9) Newton
    10) Dalton

    Tannehill may improve in the future to the point that the list changes, but in the absence of a guarantee of such improvement, which is impossible, I have to substitute any of the above for him at the present time.

    And if Manning, Brees, Brady, Romo, and Roethlisberger were younger and entering or not too far into their primes, I'd take them over Tannehill, as well, which puts Tannehill currently 16th in the league on my list, right about average.
     
  7. J. David Wannyheimer

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    Dalton and Kaepernick :sidelol:
     
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    If part of the equation is reaching the SB, not just the playoffs, you do realize that Ryan is 1-4 including 1 offensive shutout and one second half shutout; he's scored 24 points total in 5 NFL game second halfs (6 if you count the ACC VT championship) and if you consider YPA important, his playoff ypa is 6.6. So thanks but no thanks. As far as Foles goes, let's see how he looks the second time around when all the film is in. Newton had something like a 3-9 record this time last season and didn't look so good. Cuz Rivers is having a decent year this one, you're gonna forgive him for a couple straight years of being a turnover machine? Dalton? Well he's just Dalton. Kaepernick - the verdict's out on him also. Luck, I've already demonstrated that his ypa without Reggie Wayne is in the 6's and the only reason he's won 2 games since RW went down is that he played TN twice (while losing to 2 winning teams). Take away Reggie's stats from last season or add them to Tannehill last season and you've got basically the same guy. I like Stafford he really hasn't come up roses too often. Let's see his performance without the best WR in the league. So the verdict's out on him too.

    Rodgers and Wilson are the real deal. Luck is a good player, but over-rated without his go-to guy. Newton has turned the corner in the 3rd year, so comparing his third year to Tannehill's second is not really representative. So the reality is Rodgers and Wilson over Tannehill and his upside. Maybe or maybe not Stafford and Newton. Way too soon to say trade THill for Foles based on a limited sampling and not an apples to apples comparison with Newton. There's the reality
     
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    a smart guy right here...those guys are on the tail end and thus tannehills future and shelf life should win out...
     
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    rivers was terrible the last 2 years run those crazy flat line numbers in a vacuum on his play and how much he turned the damn ball over in the red zone...and how much he blamed everyone but himself...stafford will throw at least a couple balls just about every game directly to the opposition but more than that he's got a heavy tendency to make a mistake in the clutch that is completely on him...

    kaepernick is a crutch qb...period

    dalton is why cinci will go home in the postseason...if not wild card week the week after
     
  11. rche83

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    Tannehill is the real deal. I can't count the number of times I read how he will not make it through this season based on all the sacks he has taken. And yet, he is still standing and ready to lead his team down the stretch of the final 3 games and towards the playoffs. That alone shows his resolve and grit.
     
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    the only one I really have an issue w/ is Rivers.
     
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    I'm not saying Tannehill is better then these guys right now, but I do believe that all but Rodgers and the elite 3 would be no better or perhaps worse in this current offense.
     
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    OMG.....

    Andy Dalton ?!?! Andy Dalton ? Really ? No.

    Kaeparnick HELL NO !

    Foles with his 5 game body of work ? No.

    Right now, I'd take Rodgers, Luck, Wilson and Newton. Maybe Ryan although I have question marks over his post season performance. Obviously, Brady, Manning, Brees and co as well but they're getting older. No way I'm taking Rivers and his definition of average career to date either. Stafford no.

    Stop looking at stats and watch the game. Andy Dalton and Kaeparnick ?!?!?! Go away.
     
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    I don't think you realize how much talent Miami has on O.
     
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    Well, I'll agree with this: I think only Philip Rivers, Aaron Rodgers, and Matt Ryan of the guys listed could be playing better with what we have to work with right now. Maybe Luck. I like Russell Wilson a lot, but he's had some stinker games this season that his team won because the defense just flat out won the game for them not only by scoring points, but by putting them in scoring position multiple times late in the game.

    ---------- Post added at 12:30 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:29 PM ----------

    Nick Foles would be awful in our offense, by the way. Watch the Eagles. He does not throw into tight windows often, nor is that a strength of his.
     
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    Some of the guys on this list conflict with your stance on YPA. Quite honestly that doesn't surprise me.

    ---------- Post added at 06:40 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:38 PM ----------

    I like Wilson but he hasn't been asked to carry his team. Rodgers yes but other than him, no thanks. I will stick with Tannehill. It's becoming more obvious that this young man is going to be very, very good.
     
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    And my stance on YPA is?
     
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    when has Ryan been asked to carry the team?
     
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    I'm still laughing at the idea that anyone would take Colin Kaepernick over Ryan Tannehill right now. A lot of 49ers fans want Alex Smith back, and I don't blame them. Colin Kaepernick is ****ing terrible.
     
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    This question does make you think, no stats just tell me who you want. I have to go with Rodgers as well, young enough, perfect system fit, deep to Wallace, etc. As much as I wanted Peyton before, I would now pass on him and the other old guys. The team is too young and talented to go through another QB quandary in a year or two.

    I have Luck and RT as a toss up, and there could be some homerism involved. Luck may have more overall talent but, in seeing what he has not done without Wayne gives me a second thought. He is now playing with what RT had to work with last year, and not doing too well.

    For me, there is just something about Tannehill's attitude that I like over Luck. So, I would take him, with Luck a very close third.

    It's funny when you think about this. With all the debate and criticism, I believe, all things considered, most Phans are happy with what we have.
     
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    exactly...:rolleyes2:
     
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    Seriously....is anyone on Finheaven surprised that the word "average" was typed in this post?? Shou, you find a way to say that in every single post you make. There is absolutely nobody on here that does not know what you think of RT. Nothing new here.
    The fact that you were able to put Dalton and Kaep on that list just completely made that whole thing even more crazy.

    What was your basis for this list? Stats? I don't see any rhyme or reason to it.
     
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    True, and one of several.
     
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    Another non-surprise. You have no response for your list defying your stance on YPA.
     
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    The best conclusion to make is that I'm a complete moron who has no credibility whatsoever, so that anything I say you don't agree with can be immediately dismissed as ridiculous and without merit. :lol:

    Try it! It's in nowadays! ;)
     
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    a walking contradiction...
     
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    :confused2:
     
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    I give you credit for being honest about your limitations. I think we had this discussion before. Nice to see that you took it to heart.
     
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    I almost feel like that should be someone's sig quote....
     
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    I am still not sold on Colin but he hasn't been as bad as people think and Ryan hasn't been better than him. he just has more playmakers to get the ball to.
     
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    LOL Kapernick!! Ru sure you don't have RGme on your list too
     
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    vaark is hilarious...
     
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    1. Rodgers
    2. Luck
    3. Wilson
    4. Tanny
    5. Cam
    6. Stafford
    6. Kaep
    7. Ryan
    8. Foles
    9. Rivers
    10. Dalton
     
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    That was pretty funny. Lol
     
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    Shouright has never been so wrong. :tubes:
     
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    :sidelol: I'm dying.
     
  40. Shouright

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    Oh sure I have! I'm that wrong all the time, whenever someone doesn't agree with me! :lol: ;)
     
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    This thread is like a comedy act. Of all the quarterbacks in the league, you guys are seriously aiming your most condemning remarks for Colin Kaepernick?

    He averaged 8.3 yards per attempt last season and even in a supposedly down year he's at 7.5 this season, for a lifetime number of 7.8. In other words, a full yard above Tannehill.

    That 7.8 is excellent, and makes the 49ers a legit threat in the playoffs. You can string together road wins with a quarterback who makes plays down the field.

    Let me guess, we'll have happy adjustments, based on personnel or similar. It's never a thread without happy adjustments.

    As always, I hope you guys don't speculate if you are saving barbs for a quarterback of the caliber of Colin Kaepernick.

    Lots of short term overreaction going on. That's another popular theme.

    I would take at least a dozen guys above Tannehill, including the veterans. Why are so many people shy about naming the veterans? Winning one Super Bowl in the next handful of years is more valuable than attaching full faith in a 25 year old with mediocre stats and a questionable upside, based on his atypical background.
     
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    FWIW, I think a lot of disagreeing is overdoing the stats and flying solo with them. Computers haven't taken over the world just yet, as college football has found out. Stats are great but, don't stand alone. I post them a lot but, mostly from PFF who has the eyeball test to an extreme. To me. that makes a big difference.

    YPA is the flavor of the month for many, and it is a good stat. However, IF you watch a game, many ypa's are inflated due to what actually happened. A busted play can spike the stat significantly, and has little to do with the play of the QB, and I believe there are many plays where the stat just does not matter.

    For some fun, let's watch the Pats game to see if that's true. There's likely to be around 25 completions to check. Look at the YPA on each, and what actually happened as to who did what, and how it reflects on Tannehill. It should be interesting to see how it all pans out on Monday or Tues.

    I'll do the same, and anyone else who wants to join in is more than welcome. Any predictions?
     
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    I wonder what everyones answer will be if we win out and make the playoffs?
     
  44. J. David Wannyheimer

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    This just in: Colin Kaepernick could have a YPA of 10, and he would still blow.
     
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    He is also wildly inconsistent and that could easily lose you a playoff game.
     
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    I was very close to taking this sort of position myself, but I do think Tannehill has a decent enough chance to improve to the level where the team would be highly competitive long-term, rather than for just a few years.
     
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    I'm taking Big Ben.This guy is awesome!
     
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    On finheaven Andrew Luck is the best of all time why is there even a thread about this?


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    So would you take Kaep over Tannehill? That is what your post implies...
     
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    Hoops, I totally respect your opinion on football matters, but this is a bit much. I mean as much as Shouright gets grief for putting Dalton or Foles in his top ten, putting Tannehill as the best young franchise QB in the entire league is equally wrong. I mean, c'mon man! :confused:
     

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