fins rate Matt Barkley slightly ahead of Luck in 2012 draft

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    If both were in the 2012 draft and both were on the board when it was time to draft , I am told as of right now the fins would select Barkley. This was right from the horses mouth over thanksgiving. Matt Moore will be retained as a backup/temp starter for next year. I was told the raiders blew away everyone on trade for palmer who was targeted by fins.

    in respect to Barkley I was told to go back to the Ohio State game vs USC when Barkley came in as a freshman in emergency circumstances and watch what he did to preserve the win. They said that was the tipping point between luck and barkley.

    ps jeff fisher
     
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    The horse will probably be sent to the glue factory on January 2nd, but that's nice.
     
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    Assuming Ireland is even around next draft.
     
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    sorry enduro but you've proven to me that you're sources are hot air...enough with this chirade already...
     
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    Locke They looked like strong hands.

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    that is a concern. lol...
     
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    Fair enough. I was adament about Palmer and you see what Brown finally got out of him. Fins would not ante up and they were adament on the two draft picks. Fins offered starks and a 2nd but Brown turned us down. The asking price was rediculous and they freakin got it. You will find some substance in this hot air. Barkley is rated over luck as of right now. Fins would gladly take either one. Nov 25th 2011
     
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    When have you ever been right about ANYTHING?
     
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    This again...
     
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    as of right now i think i would actually lean toward barkley (ducks). he has showed up against good d's, as where luck has struggled. but matt has more speed and talent around him. its very very close.
    and like others have said you say stuff, and nothing happens. you were right about pouncey just like 95% of other predictors were, so that means absolutly nothing
     
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    I think Barkley's made up some ground this year and there are a couple of coaches out there in the college ranks who have said he, not Luck, is the best qb they've faced this year. I do like Barkley's deep touch which will equal big plays at the next level. I don't see that as much out of Luck, probably because his best receivers are tight ends. One area, where I feel Luck is far superior is his ability to create plays with his legs which will be huge in the NFL where defenses attack the qb position. I still prefer Luck, but I wouldn't be surprised if some teams did have Barkley higher.
     
  13. MiamiDolfan85

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    I wasnt even aware enduro even had a reputation....
     
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    Locke They looked like strong hands.

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    He has claimed to know Jeff Ireland personally in the past...
     
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    i want to like barkley. he is good. just not fully sure how he'll transition.

    size still matters in the NFL, if nothing else it'll buy you some time in the pocket. barkley shows decent mobility and awareness.

    miami has no choice but to take him if he's there. i wouldn't sell the farm for him... yet


    my no source prediction for miami: peyton manning
     
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    Says who?
     
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    Oh well. Give me Barkley and Jeff Fisher all day over the **** we have right now.
     
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    Only an incompetent front office would draft Barkley purely on his "signature" freshman drive (which was really the Joe McKnight show). Then again...
     
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    I can confirm this as well, Enduro and I ate peyote after thanksgiving dinner and a talking horse told us so.
     
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    Was thinking the exact same thing. Really??? Basing your franchise QB choice on a drive from 3 years ago as a backup instead of citing recent performance against top competition...come to think of it....maybe enduro does know Ireland.
     
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    Barkley won't get past the DeadSkins.
     
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    Not sure why you guys are attacking him like it can't be true. I really think there are groups in NFL that probably rate Barkley ahead of Luck. There's just something about him that just annoys me, unlike other USC QBs. Two other people make me roll my eyes in similar way, Brady Quinn and Tom Brady. Only issue is I think he might be closer to Brady than to Quinn.
     
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    I agree he should be recognized for his more recent work, but Matt Barkley was never a backup. He's been a starter every game he's played in since being a true freshman (I believe he had an injury for 1 game).
     
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    What a rumor & idle speculation on the intrawebs? Go figure.
     
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    :rolleyes2: Of course the Dolphins will draft Barkley over Luck, they will do or say anything to diminish Luck's stock that way perhaps some team is stupid enough to pass on Luck and lands on the Dolphins. A desperate attempt but it won't work. The only thing that would have worked was firing the staff after 0-7 and be winless still.
     
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    if the phins want either one of these two guys, they are gonna have to trade up. I BET that won't happen.
     
  27. LouPhinFan

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    I don't know, but right now Barkley is utterly destroying UCLA. He now has the PAC-10/12 single season TD record and has 6 TD passes for the game.

    At this point we're going to have to trade up to have any shot at getting him. I think this Fins team has at least 2 more wins in them, unless Ross pulls the plug on Sparano and sets an unpopular assistant as the interim head coach.
     
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    Maybe the Dolphins have more wins in them. I'm not sure. If Mike Vick comes back I don't know that the Dolphins win another game.
     
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    Well...Matt Barkley is having a hell of a game tonight against UCLA. 6 TD's to 0 INT's for over 400 yards. Can't complain about getting either player at this point. I just hope that Barkley comes out and that we end up in a top 5 position to be able to pick either Barkley or Luck.
     
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    I'm pretty sure Barkley is coming out. He had exactly the kind of finish he wanted. When Lane Kiffin hugged Barkley as he came off the field to a standing ovation, he said "Congratulations, and have fun in New York." That could have had two meanings. He could have meant the Heisman ceremony but he also could have meant the Draft. I think Lane knows it's an uphill climb. He won't publicly torpedo Barkley the way Pete Carroll did with Mark Sanchez.
     
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    I would hope the new CS will sell their souls to trade up for one of Luck or Barkley. Most people would reconize that once you solve the QB problem the other deficiencies on this team are not that huge.
     
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    I think at the very least we'll beat the Bills again. But you're right about Philly. Who knows what shape the Jets will be in when they come down here on New Years Day.
     
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    only ones i'm seeing a shot at are at buffalo but you just know they will be all about revenge after last week and maybe this week vs the raiders...although i think they're the better team...other than that we're done winning imo
     
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    Luck is way over rated, He is no Peyton Manning. Luck is a Fine QB, But I don't think it's fair to Manning to draw comparisons. I personally Like Barkley better.
     
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    People are only comparing his potential, most realize there's always a chance it doesn't pan out. Either Luck or Barkley would make 99% of the fan base pretty pleased!
     
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    Landing either would be a dream come true.
     
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    At some point, you have to value the QB position highly enough to take a stand on a guy if you feel he has a chance to be a franchise guy. Luckily, this year there are two of those guys in Luck and Barkley, and Miami is in a high enough position to move up and grab one.

    We'll see who's calling the shots, but I imagine they'll see the hole at QB the way most fans currently do.
     
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    Enduro....maybe if you identified who this source was instead of saying "the horse's mouth" told you this, it might be a little more credible. It's almost as bad as hearing people say their cousin's boyfriend's Uncle is a janitor who cleans up at Dolphin's Sunlife stadium and he got a look at the Phin's draft board the night before the draft. C'Mon Man!!!!!!
     
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    In the past enduro has identified exactly who the horse is, so to speak. I guess I won't say who exactly since enduro now seems to not want say it directly anymore. Suffice it to say, the horse is a ginger.
     
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    Gingervitis.
     
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    To be honest I don't think the Dolphins have done enough homework to determine that they would select Matt Barkley over Andrew Luck and to be honest I think it's the other way around. I have Matt Barkley rated as the 2nd best player in this draft and I will agree that the gap between the two are much closer than the general fan would know. With that said Andrew Luck is still the best player in this draft.

    To land one of these two players would be special IMO. It's not going to be easy as Dolphin fans better cheer for the Seahawks/Redskins. Seattle's remaining schedule is quite easy as they play the Eagles, Rams, Bears (w/o cutler), 49ers, and Cardinals. I see them winning two and possibly three of these games so they will go 6-10 worst case scenario IMO. Washington's schedule is far tougher as they play the Jets, Patriots, Eagles, Vikings, Giants and to be honest I see the skins getting one win and ending up 5-11. The Dolphins have the Patriots, Jets, Bills, Eagles, and Raiders remaining and I see them getting one win and ending up 4-12. Matt Barkley will be there for the taking but the question remains whether he is our guy or do Landry jones or Robert Griffin come to the forefront?
     
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    Remember though, Parcells said that he wasn't sold on Luck as the first overall pick.
     
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    It's definitely safe to say that none of us will be going to Parcells for advice on QBs.
     
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    This is like the old Ripley's Believe Or Not ....

    The problem is when people believe it ....
     
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    If this isn't Armando Salguero stepping up and saying pretty point blank that enduro was correct all along, then I don't know what is:

    http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/12/03/2530456/miami-dolphins-flirtations-with.html

    Look at what Armando says in there, complete with quotes from coaches, etc. Miami was desperate to get hold of Carson Palmer but they got rebuffed. And eventually when Mike Brown relented, his previous discussions with both Jeff Ireland AND Steve Ross led him to hold off the Oakland Raiders and give Miami first dibs on renewing their interest in Palmer...but at that time Miami was 0-5 and Steve Ross didn't think it was a good idea anymore.

    I mean at this point, I'm willing to believe enduro.

    1. He said that Jeff Ireland loved Pat Devlin. We ended up with him as a UDFA. Was enduro entirely accurate there? No. His exact words were that Miami is going to trade down from the 1st round to the 2nd round and pick up Pat Devlin because he's the next Tom Brady. That sounds kind of ridiculous now as we see Devlin became a UDFA but at the same time, the gist of it was, Jeff Ireland likes Pat Devlin, and sure enough he snagged him from the open market.

    2. He said we would draft Mike Pouncey. That happened.

    3. He implied that we would be interested in DeAngelo Williams. That interest was real and reported, but the fact of the matter is the bidding on him got way out of control and he signed a contract with Carolina that was worth like double what you saw guys like Reggie Bush and Ahmad Bradshaw get.

    4. And the final straw is, he said all along that the plan became Carson Palmer. Armando Salguero now says, complete with quotes from coaches, that this was indeed true...Miami was hot for Palmer, tried like mad to get him, was rebuffed at every turn by Mike Brown, and finally in the end just outbid by Oakland.

    To me this is proof that enduro was legit.

    It's also proof that Jeff Ireland should not be our General Manager.
     
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    interesting....but using some freshman tape 2 years ago as the tipping point b/t luck and barkley sounds assanine to me...

    i do think however that barkley has put out the best game tape of any qb this season...kids been fantastic
     
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    It also sounds like Jeff Ireland.
     
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    were not talking about any GM here
     
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    Chalk this up to another enduro prediction that appears correct.

    The Dolphins allowed Tony Sparano to make his day-after press statement as though Tony would be on for another week at least. Then they found out that the Kansas City Chiefs fired Todd Haley and were hot on Kirk Ferentz and Jeff Fisher. The Dolphins immediately fired Tony Sparano in reaction, and now we have beat writers talking about Bill Cowher and Jeff Fisher being atop their wish list. Of course, Cowher is rumored to be lukewarm at best on the notion of going to Miami to a rebuilding team that has no quarterback...which means that realstically, Jeff Fisher is probably their guy.

    Who was the guy enduro said to look out for? Jeff Fisher.
     

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