First round Lb? Does it make sense for Miami

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  1. NJPHINFAN79

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    Lets be clear, we all know we need improvement at the LB positions. Timmonds likely cut for cap, kiko has been underwhelming to average and we didn’t get to see how McMillan would fair due to injury.

    With that said Kiko is likely to be here because of contract and while he had a stint at mlb that looks to be McMillans spot thus keeping Kiko at WIL. So theoretically we need a SAM. But the problem I see, and why I’m inquiring in this post is, what prospect actually projects to SAM in a 4-3 and would that be worth it for the number 11 pick?

    R. Smith seems to be a MLB or WIL and that doesn’t help us

    R. Evans seems to be a MLB or WIL...

    T. Edmunds I don’t know, what are your thoughts, I just know he’s a size and speed freak.

    Those are the only LBs I’ve seen discussed in the top of the draft, who am I missing, what are your thoughts?

    Who would fit the strong side backer later in the draft, 2/3 Rds or even later?
     
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    Why doesn't Roquan Smith help us? Seems an easy plug-and-play option. Play him at Will, move Kiko back to Mike and play McMillan at Sam limiting his exposure as he continues to recover from his knee surgery. Next year you cut Kiko, move McMillan to Mike (provided he proves he played well) and you either draft another linebacker or put Chase Allen at Sam. You have two fast, young linebackers in Smith and McMillan for years to come...and Chase Allen if you want to include him.
     
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    you don't pass up on LB talent due to kiko
     
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    I was naive early on and thought Edmunds could get to us in the second. He wasn't really on the radar. I knew he would rise but not like this. Not before the combine. He's the only one I'd gamble on at 11 but this weak LB class + the phasing out of LBs overall + his meteoric rise gives me pause. Players get drafted earlier than they should when their position is thin in the draft, defenses are using more DBs so what might be a 2 down backer at 11 becomes questionable, and players that shoot up the boards like he has lose value. It's not a great combo but I'd still take him all day every day over Smith.
     
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    If we pass on a LB strictly because of Kiko and his horrible contract than we deserve to lose. Seahawks didn't pass or hesitate to start Wilson even though they gave the messiah Whitehurst big money.
     
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    Edmunds or Smith, I'm good with both. We have ignored this position for years and I fully expect us to take one of these guys unless a guy like Chubb drops. We really need to upgrade our speed on D in this draft. Don't think so, just look at the final four teams in the AFC/NFC championship games.
     
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    Depends on who is one the board at 11. If these guys are off the board, I am trying like a mad man to trade down....

    Tremaine Edmunds, Bradley Chubb, Minkah, Quenton Nelson, Derwin James.

    I would need to see how Roquan measures up at the combine before I put him on that list. He is probably trying to gain some weight before the combine but then I would need to see how he runs at a higher weight.

    Hopefully 4 QB's go before 11.
     
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    If we're going for need at 11 then yes, LB makes sense. If you want BPA then it all depends on who's there. I agree that the combine will tell us a lot about Smith and some of the others too

    Ozzy rules!!
     
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    No LB unless ur getting an elite MLB, which I don’t see this year.
     
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    if nelson is gone and we have a chance to get smith, or edmonds you pull the trigger
     
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    Absolutely true.

    However, you do pass on LBing talent in order to help your QB first.


    Assuming you sign just 1 FA LB, you'll already be adding 3 new LB's to the 2018 team with McMillan, Anthony and likely FA. MLB is out of the equation completely. There aren't any prospects worth the pick and with McMillan coming back and Kiko a more natural fit at MLB than anywhere else, your set there for this season.

    I don't think the 11th pick will be a LB unless the grade is throw the roof on Edmunds. Maybe in a trade down, picking up an extra third. Then you can double down on OL and TE.

    I'm keeping an open mind as far as possible 1st round selections because we should be contender's for some 2nd tier FA's that could change our needs. I don't see OL being solved before the draft so that's going to be on the table early and often.
     
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    Not trying to be a jerk but wasn't it Matt Flynn they gave that $$ to and not Whitehurst...either way, that worked out pretty well for them
     
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    I see the point you’re trying to make, but everybody passed on Wilson 2-3 times. Seattle didn’t draft him in the third round expecting him to come in the way he did.

    I’m drafting BPA in the first, regardless of position (besides QB). If Roquon is available, he would be the pick. If not, another top 10, maybe even top 5 talent will be there, depending on how many QBs get over-drafted
     
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    Must it be a LB? No...
    Should it be someone for the back 7 with some speed? Yes
    I wish the top of the TE class was a little better this year
     
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    Not at all, yep it was Flynn 3 year 26 million.
     
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    Rarely are TE's worth that high of a pick anyway. This draft has a lot of 2nd and 3rd round options which bodes well for us.

    Don't be surprised to see an OL and TE go 1st and 2nd. After going defense with our first 3 picks last season I think a similar trend is coming on offense.
     
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    Phasing out linebackers.....Tell that to Jacksonville and the Steelers. Only our fans think that way because we have not had difference makers or pro-bowlers at the position in such a long time. Teams with difference makers do not think this way. Did we not watch Philly run the ball with a three headed monster backfield. Who's gonna stop the screen plays DB's?
     
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    It's been charted on here. LBers are being phased out for DBs to the point where the base is nickel ... for the smart teams at least. It's just a fact. Whether or not the dolphins want to stay current is up to them.

    I do like the player so I wouldn't be upset by it compared to what they've recently got in the 1st ... I'm just not sure the value is matching the pick.
     
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    LB better be our 1st pick. Kiko is only a starter in Miami. Only our dumb coaches think he can ball. Dude is awful and Philly scam us on that deal. Please cut him and get a LB.
     
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    Our defense was terrible with pressure on opposing QBs
    which did no favors for our secondary.

    After Wake's 10.5 sacks we had Branch and Suh with 4.5
    and that's just not acceptable when opposing QBs had all day
    to find open receivers.

    Branch will probably be gone after next season
    and who knows when Wake will be done but the time
    he may become a situational pass rusher is getting closer

    Hopefully the light goes on for Harris but I still think
    a great DE if available at 11 is the right choice
    and the one I want probably wont make it to 11

    The problem is we have so many needs
     
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    gun to my head tremaine Edmunds is the pick at 11 if he's there
     
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    Davenport intrigued the hell out of me at The Senior Bowl. He has a shot to be there at 11 as well, especially if Indianapolis goes RB at 3.
     
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    I'd feel better with simply bpa.

    We need better speed at LB. Anthony is a good start. Raekwon is ?

    Chase Allen isn't limited physically.

    I dunno, ask me again after the combine...
     
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    I agree we need LB help in a big way, if we could cut him we would have by now, but we are stuck with his awful play and high contract for at least another year.
     
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    I'd never bet against Tannehill, but i'm not betting on him either. If we get a shot to draft a replacement 6 or 7 years younger with fresh legs and less damage (sacks) we take it. Worst case we make like the patriots and trade one of the two for compensation a couple years from now.
     
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    I feel like you can go lb, s, or de at 11 and the team gets better.
     
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    You're in for a big let down then. No way they go guard at 11 when they didn't go guard at 22 last year. I can see a guard at 73 maybe but don't hold your breath

    Ozzy rules!!
     
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    Bpa wise id agree but I think they are gonna see him as a 34 olb.

    My moneys on Edmunds or Derwin James being the card
     
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    They need to put one of our safeties on the trading block. Jones is on the hook for a 15M cap hit next year as of 3-16-18....but then again no one in their right mind is trading for that contract...Along with Branch, Kiko, Suh contracts. Jones will be 30 by the time the combine rolls around this year.

    Like I said, it won't happen but we could insert McD in his role and then draft Derwin or Minkah.
     
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    I like the LBs in day 2/3.
    Vander Esch, Jewel, Kiser(runstopper), DeLuca, Tre' Williams, Scales etc
     
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    Last year DE was a much bigger need and the prospects available didn't fit. Only Forrest Lamp was a real option at Guard that high and he went like 38th or something.

    I don't really think it's an issue for me because Queton Nelson will not be available immediately following whatever pick Miami ends up selecting at.

    In a perfect world we get him at 15 and pick up a third rounder from Arizona should they fancy a QB.

    He's gotta go somewhere and if he's a top 10 talent and the team picking 11th has needed Guard's for over a decade, I am not sure a let down is what I'll be feeling.
     
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    After watching the SB it made me realize how far away our roster and coaching really are from contending. Just draft the best available players no matter what. Even w Ryan back next year we’ll be lucky to go 7-9 or 8-8. We kinda suck up and down. So depressed.

    Only a transformational player like a DeShaun Watson or Lawrence Taylor can save us. So much wrong w this team. We are definition of mediocre at just about every spot from waterboy to owner.
     
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    Where would you play Edmunds, Kiko and RM if he's the pick?

    Ozzy rules!!
     
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    What I meant by let down is that I don't believe they'd take a guard at 11. Not this FO/HC......I believe he's a good player, I just don't see our team doing it

    Ozzy rules!!
     
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    “Only a transformational player like a DeShaun Watson or Lawrence Taylor..”

    What?!?!?!?!?
     
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    1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th I don't care I just know we need a great LB.
     
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    ....and this is the problem that Gase is facing right now, the amount of needs on the team. I have maintained that this team is a work in progress, no quick fixes here.
     
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    Remember this is Watson's 2nd ACL tear in 3 years. Houston should also be looking for a QB to back up Watson.
     
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