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  1. jim1

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    The Dolphins called the agent for Pete Kendall -- who started 16 games for Washington in 2008 -- to see if he wants to keep playing at 36 (he does), and will consider him if help is needed at guard before or during the season.

    • One NFL friend of Bill Parcells said because of Miami's brutal schedule, Parcells privately has cautioned against too high expectations. Miami's opponents had the NFL's highest winning percentage last season. ``Have you seen their schedule?'' another friend, St. Louis Cardinals manager Tony La Russa, said after speaking with Parcells. ``They can be better than last year and fighting hard for wins.''

    • The state attorney's office on Tuesday reduced charges against Dolphins defensive lineman Randy Starks from aggravated battery (a felony) to culpable negligence (a second-degree misdemeanor punishable by no more than 60 days in jail), attorney Ed O'Donnell said. No trial date was set. Starks has denied veering his slow-moving truck into an officer on Ocean Drive during Memorial Day weekend.

    http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/colleges/um/story/1161744.html
     
  2. JCane

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    This is EXACTLY what I've been saying and I've been getting crushed for feeling this way. We will be a better team this season but I don't think we win as many games as we did last season.
     
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    Now wait just a doggone minute before you abduct Bill into your camp. He may have meant not to have 'high expectations' as in going 19-0. The homer faction of the board, including myself, still believe 18-1 is a reasonable expection and I'm sure Bill would agree.
     
  4. hoops

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    chad pennington's coming back down to earth this year under that schedule...

    top offenses and defenses all over it... no cupcakes to prop him up with
     
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    the problem with that thinking is this... you know who else had an easy schedule last year? the entire NFC South, thats why they all had great records, just like you can say the same for the AFC East...

    we had an easy schedule last year because we played the NFC West and the AFC West... well the NFC South played the AFC West also and the NFC North which also sucked, so their schedule was cake too helping their records look good just like our divisions looked good...

    so both our division and the NFC South you can say were inflated by an easy schedule... and now we play each other, so for BOTH sides the schedule looks tougher because those 2 divisions had it easy last season... so who cracks? is it harder for us playing the NFC South, or is it harder for the NFC South having to play us? who knows, but it doesn't necessarily mean we're screwed
    because you can work that logic both ways...
     
  6. RealDriscoll

    RealDriscoll Still Perfect.. and You're Not.

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    I wouldn't bet against Chad. Word is that he is at the Miami facility watching film and working out more than any other player. He hasbeen putting a lot of work with Ted Ginn Jr. Some people play for the money, some play for the fame, some don't like to wear ties, and some just love the game. Chad loves the game.
     
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    Schedule Strength.. I am baffled...

    I see the Jaguars, Buccaneers, Bills, Jets, and Saints as very poor teams. That accounts for 7 games there.

    The Falcons are very beatable. Have you seen their defense? The Titans defense doesn't scare me without Fat Albert. The Colts, Chargers, Patriots, and Steelers are very tough. We did beat the Chargers last year though. It won't be easy but 10-6 is fair.
     
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    the falcons are gonna give us all we can handle and then some. i'll be elated if we win that game. guess you don't see the panthers as a threat...and we're gonna have to score points to beat orleans and indy...and a lot of points to beat the pats.

    i agree the jets and bills should be 4-0 but div games are never easy.
     
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    yeah, i agree. that's a pretty tough match-up to open the season.
     
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    Honestly the only scary defenses I see on the schedule are those of the Steelers and Titans.

    The Patriots' are all about their offense...their defense just doesn't have a very good edge anymore. The Dolphins scored 66 points and gained 853 yards against them last year. You may say that was all Wildcat but they still scored 28 points and gained 392 yards against them in the second game when the Dolphins didn't go Wildcat that much. Pennington himself was 41 of 61 for 567 yards, 3 TDs and 1 INT, plus a very nice-looking rushing TD and zero fumbles. So tell me, is the clock going to strike midnight for Pennington because they face the Patriots defense twice in 2009?

    No.

    What about the Bills? They were hardly an "excellent" defense a year ago, and according to Tim Graham, so far in camp Trent Edwards keeps easily floating rainbows over the top of the secondary to Lee Evans and Terrell Owens. Hurray for the offense, boo for the defense. Aaron Maybin is a rookie and we'll see if he can manage to give Jake Long any trouble whatsoever, my money is still on Aaron Schobel being the best there. I've not been impressed with Leodis McKelvin yet, Ashton Youboty hasn't panned out that well, Drayton Florence is their version of Eric Green, Jairus Byrd is slower than my grandmother, Ko Simpson is terrible, and Terrence McGee has Ted Ginn's cleat print etched on his back.

    The Chargers defense wasn't good a year ago and I'm not sure they've gotten better. They get Merriman back and they added Larry English, but it still looks soft up the middle. Losing Olshansky probably hurts up front, and now their ILBs are Cooper and Burnett, which isn't much better (if at all) compared with Cooper and Wilhelm a year ago...and the safeties Clint Hart and Eric Weddle still suck.

    Will the Colts' defense be the same without Tony Dungy there?

    Will the Tampa defense be even close to the same without Monte Kiffin? Or will they be the team that allowed 123 points and 756 yards rushing over the final four losses after Kiffin announced he was going to Tennessee?

    The Atlanta Falcons' defense wasn't stellar in 2008, ranked only #11 in points allowed, but can they even repeat that feat after losing Grady Jackson, Michael Boley, Keith Brooking, Lawyer Milloy and Dominique Foxworth? That's 333 tackles, 2.0 sacks, 30 passes defensed and 3 interceptions you're losing in one off season...and replacing them with a rookie Peria Jerry, Stephen Nicholas, an aged Mike Peterson that hasn't been good since 2005, either Thomas DeCoud or a rookie William Moore, and Von Hutchins. Forgive me if I'm underwhelmed.

    The Jets ranked #18 in points allowed. The Jaguars ranked #21. The Texans ranked #26. The Saints ranked #27.

    So where are these scary defenses that are going to bring Chad Pennington back down to earth? I see two, maybe three (I have some respect for the Panthers' defense). And one of those defenses, the Steelers, might have their playoff standing cinched up by Week 17 and will probably be playing all of their backups on the road in Miami.

    Listen, I'm not saying that Miami doesn't play a better schedule. They absolutely do. And, on the whole, they play better defenses. What I'm saying is that Chad Pennington had GOOD games against teams like New England (twice), Buffalo (twice), San Diego, and the Jets (twice)...and that's a very similar sampling to many of the defenses they will face in 2009. It isn't like Pennington didn't play any elite defenses a year ago. He played the Ravens during the regular season and had a 92.0 QB rating against them. He made a costly error in that pick-6 to Suggs but otherwise the Dolphins lost that day because the run defense fell apart in the fourth quarter and the offense couldn't get any running game going.

    If Pennington takes a step backward (which is VERY possible) it won't be because of the defenses. It will be because he just isn't playing like he was a year ago.
     
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    Who knows, personally I really give no credit to "sources" without names.. The toughest schedule thing is also a moot point IMO regardless of who says what due to the fact that we all play the same exact teams except for 2..

    one of those 2 different teams we play this year, we beat last year, and we are playing Pitt the last game of the season and they very well may rest starters.. So the whole "toughest schedule" things gets little to no credence from me.
     
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    I agree in a sense that if Pennington doesn't play as well, it may not necessarily be because he'll be facing that many more ELITE defenses than he did last year...

    But he had 2 TD's and 5 picks against the only one he did face....twice...

    What you have to consider is that Miami won 11 games last year.....and in those 11 wins.....the average ranked defense Pennington faced was ranked around 20th or so in the league....

    One of two things is going to happen in 2009.....

    Either Pennington is going to perform against better defenses than he faced last year as whole with what's an improved offensive line on paper....

    Or...

    ....you're not going to have to wait until the post season to see him get exposed again...
     
  13. Gadsden86

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    I think we can go anywhere from 8-8 to 12-4. You just dont know untillyou play. Yea we have a hard schedual but so what. Most places are already crowning the Pats superbowl champs again. I think this should be fule for the fire for this dolphins team.
     
  14. hoops

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    ck, you make some good points...no doubt. it's fair to say some of those top scoring d's from last year we face this season may take steps back...just like it's fair to say some on the sched outside the top 10 may make their way in.

    i'll just say that penny was a combined 1-3 last year including the postseason against top 10 scoring defenses and out of his season and postseason long total 20 tds and 11 ints (tops of his career also) he was a very average 5 tds and 6 ints against those same top 10 defenses.

    that and there are 6 games [​IMG] on the schedule this year against top 10 scoring defenses last year including heavyweights pittsburgh and tennessee.

    is it fair to say that trend of average or less play against the better defenses will continue with penny???...i think so...it's debatable at least

    it's also fair to say that for his career penny has very low odds at starting 32 consecutive games.

    a further look into this seasons sched also reveals 8 games [​IMG] against top 10 scoring offenses in 2008 and that doesn't include a monday night matchup with peyton manning.

    translation this offense better put many more points on the board than our season long 21.6 ppg ranking 21st in the league last year and penny is gonna have to perform at a much higher level against legit defenses if we wanna compete for a playoff spot again.

    either that or pat white better be a monster when we line up in the spread/wildcat.
     
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    In terms of contacting Pete Kendall- I kind of like it. It also makes me wonder if Shawn Murphy can take a big step forward this year- i hop eso, but it would be nice to see signs of life in TC and the pre season.
     
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    I think it's just too convenient to start talking about wins now and really disregarding personal performance. Against those four top 10 defenses, Pennington PERSONALLY played well in three of those games.

    He had a 113.8 QB rating against the Patriots the first time around, and by the way he was passing excellently against them before the Dolphins used the Wildcat for the first time in that game.

    He had a 92.0 QB rating against the Ravens the first time, and even though he had that costly interception against Terrell Suggs, he did still throw a touchdown and accounted for 320 total yards in the air and on the ground while only taking 1 sack. Like I said, the Dolphins didn't win that game because they couldn't run worth a damn. Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams combined for 43 yards on 17 carries (2.5 YPC). Sometimes you just can't do it alone, ESPECIALLY against a top 3 defense like Baltimore's.

    He had a 99.7 QB rating against the Patriots the second time around, including 4 touchdowns. I'm not sure what else you want the guy to do on a day when Vince Wilfork was personally destroying the ground game by tossing Samson Satele around like a ragamuffin (Brown, Williams and Cobbs combined for 59 yards on 17 carries, 3.5 YPC), and when Matt Cassel to Randy Moss is looking like Tom Brady to Randy Moss thanks to Jason Allen's fine coverage.

    And then you have the personal BAD performance against the Ravens in the playoffs. But, by that time, you've got no Justin Smiley. You have Ike Ndukwe still at RG. You have Satele playing weak with a torn labrum against someone as strong as Haloti Ngata. You have no Greg Camarillo. Davone Bess gets hurt and is out of the game for two quarters. You're asking Chad Pennington to beat a top 3 defense by himself, with zero ground game (52 yards on 20 carries, 2.6 YPC), limited receiving options (Patrick Cobbs became the team's slot WR, seriously), and pressure coming up through the center of the offensive line. That was a recipe for disaster, and disaster occurred.

    That's still just one out of four bad performances, though. I think it's way too convenient to choose the ONE time the guy had a bad outing against a top defense, and focus on that, when he had three other good days against top defenses. The Miami Dolphins offense as a whole was not good enough to beat a top 3 defense like the Ravens'...but a very big part of that reason was because the interior OL wasn't good enough to get the job done on the ground.
     
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    Back on the topic at hand, I think there are many reasons to be in contact with Pete Kendall. I outlined a few of them over two months ago...

    http://www.finheaven.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1062959139&postcount=24

    My point then was just that from our perspective, when there's a guy still out there unsigned that you have no idea why he's not getting any action...it's a safe bet that NFL GMs know exactly why the guy is unsignable, and that he's either too hurt to play or he has a mega attitude issue, suspension, legal troubles, something like that. Pete Kendall is a talented player but he tends to be a pain in the butt when it comes to his pay, and he's 36 years old. Those are two good reasons for him to still be unsigned at this late stage of things, even if he still does possess some skills. He's a guy that teams will wait to see how younger, cheaper options pan out in camp before they start giving him a call.
     
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    It's time to sort out the keepers from the dead weight at interior OL. With Frye able to play T and G I think that Alleman and Ndukwe better really stepp it up in TC- they did themselves no favors in the Ravens playoff game.
     
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    And back to the point of talking about the defenses that Miami will face...let's review something here.

    Heading into the 2008 season, Miami was set to play 3 games against Top 5 scoring defenses from 2007. The New England Patriots ranked #4 overall and the San Diego Chargers ranked #5 overall.

    What did Pennington do in those three games? 63 of 90 (70.0%) for 795 yards (8.8 YPA), 4 TDs and 1 INT, with 1 rushing TD, 4 sacks, 0 fumbles, a 2-1 record, a combined QB rating of 107.4, and individual game QB ratings of 113.8, 109.6 and 99.7.

    So much for those "top defenses" exposing Chad Pennington for being a fraud, eh?

    Little did we know that by far the best defense we would face in 2008 was the team that ranked #23 overall in points allowed per game in 2007, the Baltimore Ravens.
     
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    I think Frye is more likely to be dead weight than Alleman or Ndukwe.
     
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    I don't know about that. Frye is extremely athletic and had pretty good reviews at T if I recall correctly. And they were giving him a long look at G, too. I'm not sure if Alleman was injured late last year, but I didn't really see anything of him or Ndukwe of mention when they were called upon. I'd rather get Kendall and cut one or both of them loose, depending also on how Murphy looks this year. Which makes me think of Duke Robinson...
     
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    I didn't see any good reviews, just a lot of hoopla over the fact that he was taking first team snaps during portions of OTAs where the media were allowed to watch. The media, which was starved for stories at that time of year, ran with it and started doing pieces on Brandon Frye to try and let the fans know who he is. But, there was no substance. There were no reviews that said "Wow, he looked good out there". There was a former college teammate of his that also plays on the line saying that he has confidence in him, but I'll be damned if that wasn't a totally expected statement from a former college linemate. Within days, he was no longer taking those first team snaps, either...it was Shawn Murphy.

    And then of course the media ran away with that one too, doing all kinds of pieces suggesting that Murphy was finally coming around, etc. But still, nothing substantial that says hey this guy was really good out there. Just a bunch of dry throats in the desert.

    Sparano said it frankly during press conferences, but it got glossed over because it didn't fit the media's agenda...all three guys, between Ndukwe, Murphy and Frye, were getting equal reps with the first unit, while Donald Thomas is hurt.

    For now, I go with the guy that started 15 games at the position a year ago rather than the guy with a reputation as a workout warrior, that has bounced around the league, and for a few days got some first team reps.

    I've seen plenty of really athletic guys do nothing at OL. That's not a position where I think the best athletes naturally rise to the top. So much of that position is about power that you can't really measure until the guy's in your face and chucking you to the ground. Donald Thomas' athletic measurements suggested that he was more of a quicker guy than a powerful guy...and it wasn't until you line him up across from Jason Ferguson and Ferg tells everyone "Whoa, that guy is 'earth mover' strong" that you realize the athletic measurements at that position can often lie.
     
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    Jags will be much better. Jets will have a better Defense this year and I think the Saints could make it to the NFC Champ game this year. So IDK how you give them 7 wins like that....The Bills will be much improved as well....Are you watching the same football news and past games that I have, New Orleans is definitely gonna be a top 3 team offensively and now have Gregg williams as D-coordinator so they will be much improved, they will be the class of the NFC this year along with Philly and NYG
     
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    Why will the Jags be better? Jets will have a better D, on paper anyway. Its a complex system for a lot of players, and their Offense got worse. The Saints don't have have the D to make it that far unless a couple rooks really play lights out football.

    The Bills will be much improved??? They added a 35 yr old reciever, all 5 guys on the 0-line will be playing new positions or be rookies...recipe for disaster. I think CK is right on.
     
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    I'm not sure how much better the Jags will be, to be honest. They lost two interior offensive linemen right at the start of the season but people act like all of their woes can be placed at the feet of those guys. Their defense didn't suck because of offensive linemen. The defense could have gotten a boost from a better ground game but it certainly didn't suck because of it.
     
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    All good points, but I'm thinking that I'd rather have an average OLineman who can play G and T rather than an average one (Alleman) who can play G or C (now that we have Berger as a backup C) or an average one (Ndukwe) who is just a G. All of this is just talk on my part until we see what happens in TC. I keep going back to late last year- I don't recall Alleman or Ndukwe being impressive at all, and both seemed to get little push on the line, which doesn't bode well. I have a hard time seeing either get a whole lot better, I hope that I'm wrong.
     
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    Ikechuku Ndukwe was a Tackle for the Dolphins before ever he was a Guard. That was the first position they practiced him at with the team. He moved inside out of necessity and because he was one of the best five linemen after Donald Thomas went down.

    I think the operative phrase is "can play". We don't even know if Brandon Frye "can play" at ALL, let alone whether he "can play" Tackle and he also "can play" Guard.

    And no, neither Alleman nor Ndukwe were all that good last year. But, Frye doesn't even have "mediocre" nailed to his wall yet. He's got "hey I can get cut before I ever end up playing" on his resume so far...and also "hey, I can be inactive for games"...and "hey, I can sit the bench really well".
     
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    If I recall correctly Ndukwe looked like absolute crap at Tackle. Berger is most likely going to stick, and I'm guessing that Murphy makes the roster this year. If Frye can play G or T maybe the team can save a roster spot rather than burn one on a G who is at best average, or at least gain a little roster flexibility. I'm not doing cartwheels over any of them, but my guess is that of the 3 Frye has the best chance of sticking.

    Frye may not deserve the "mediocre" tag yet, but I'm guessing that he has a higher upside than the other 2. So if he's close to them, and he could be better for all I know, I'm sticking with him.
     
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    All Teams with Miami on their Schedule has it TOUGH!!!

    According to winning percentage we have the tough schedule...I think ALL the Teams that have to play Miami Dolphins this year has it Tough as well...I'm sure their not thinkin Miami is a cake walk...If they are then they'll be sorry because The Dolphins know how to win games and have a Chip they would like to carry with them to the Superbowl.
     

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