Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by DKphin, May 19, 2017.
Good to hear. Maybe the light has come on for DeVante.
Hope he's hungry and ready to dominate. Love our offenses potential if Tannehill has time to throw and the backs lanes to run through
Don't believe now, nor have I ever believed, this kid is tough enough MENTALLY to be a pro.
Devante's storyline always reminds me of that surfer movie Blue Crush. He can climb the ladder like no other, it's the falling down part that reminds me of the mental hurdles he has to overcome, just like that little surfer girl with hitting her head on the coral.
I mean, Chambers was pretty much done with the spectacular ladder grabs after the Denver Game(Kenoy Kennedy).
For Parker, that ability is his most dangerous weapon... and it's kinda been on hiatus since he landed on his back last year.
Another first round Miami pick that takes three years to become an average player in the league.
I'm a big fan of DeVante Parker. IMHO, DVP can become a dominant #1 WR. He has the talent to compete in the AJ Green stratosphere.
While I'm very glad to hear Christensen's positive outlook, and similarly happy to hear Parker's words ... but, they are just that. Words. It's time for Parker to walk the walk. I get how he could be injured rushing back as a senior and not ever fully getting well. That's not actually uncommon. But he should have been healthy last season, and he wasn't. He didn't take the approach to keeping his body in shape that he needed. Guys like Wake and Landry do ... and Parker needs to do so as well. He got a pass his rookie season. He used his Mulligan last year. We've seen the flashes ... we are impressed ... now he needs to be the professional we drafted and earn his paycheck.
Personally, I'm expecting him to do just that. I'm expecting him to be healthy, durable, and dominant. I'm expecting him to erase any doubt that he is our #1 WR and as good as any WR taken in his draft. I'm expecting a Pro-Bowl season for a player that is a matchup nightmare for CB's. I'm expecting to see his phenomenal catch-radius allow him to shield the fast CB's from the ball. I'm expecting his length and leaping to high-point the ball over the smaller CB's. I'm expecting his deceptive 4.4 speed to pull away from the bigger CB's. I'm expecting him to benefit from 1v1's when the safety fears Stills' speed. I'm expecting him to consistently win 50/50 balls. And, I'm expecting him to generate a lot of yards after the catch. Because IMHO, this kid is special. Now, in season three, is the time to show it.
No hamstrings, no feet, no dehydration, no showing up late ... no more letting things in his control prevent him from showing his best on Sundays.
I will say Devante used to post a bunch of dumb *** videos of him rapping on IG. I haven't seen any of that lately maybe he's ready to ball now
i think it's evident Parker is putting in the extra work this offseason. The main thing I am basing this on is he is doing all the things Landry is doing. He was involved the voluntary group who got together in Miami, Ocho Cinco A. Brown Landry, etc etc, that he wasn't involved in last year. He also did Voluntary workouts with Ryan, Landry, Stills, and Carroo. You didn't see him in those workouts last season either.
I am cautiously optimistic about him this season. His number did improve a lot from year 1, 30 more receptions and almost 300 yards. If he can improve at the same rate this season he would be right where we all hoped he would be when taken in the first round. Better work ethic, 2nd year in the same system, having more familiarity with Ryan, coaching staff learning how to use him, and staying on the field, are all factors that could lead to Parker finally paying off.
I'm interested in your opinion... If Gase is Head Coach when Parker was drafted... do they get him? He doesn't seem to have the intangibles he looks for in a player. Coach is trying to get it out of him, we'll find out this year if it's there.
He's already above average.
Our whole 2015 draft class is looking kinda shaky right now...everyone is either a bit soft, underachieving or both, with the exception of Lippett, good return on a 5th round pick there.
Jay Ajayi ain't too shabby either. But, yeah that draft looks kinda soft right now.
Hahaha! Failed to mention the pro bowl RB we drafted in the 5th round. 4 starters and our nickel cb on our playoff team all from the 2015 draft, and you think that is shaky. I want that shakiness every year! The expectations are crazy on this site.
Whoops, for some reason I thought Ajayi was 2014. But with Parker, Phillips, Jamil Douglas and Bobby McCain being our first 4 picks that year, yea...pretty unsatisfactory.
I thought the draft was pretty solid other than a few picks. We got Ajayi, Mccain, and Lippett in the 5th.
Parker is our most talented receiver. Money talks and I believe his play will follow this year.
Phillips is in his make or break year. So far, he's been an okay DT.
Douglas and Ced Thompson are the only players not on the team.
I'd take our 2015 draft every draft. We landed a top 5 RB in the fifth rd!!
I thought we got some great value in that draft.
This year will say a lot about how well we did IMO.
I do think Parker will explode and show the NFL who we really drafted.
We need to keep our core 3 receivers together and it sounds like Gase is intending on doing so.
Oh my bad SNOOP. I've done that type of thing before. I figured you just forgot Ajayi lol
I don't want to seem like I'm being an annoying POS lol
Could you imagine? Damn that draft would've been something. 2 pro bowlers in one draft!!
Now that would be some serious value. Landry made that draft for us.
James has held his own and has potential to become better with a more solid base. (Needs to get stronger)
You think Parker's overrated?
We wanted to trade up to get a receiver in the top 10 ,but we definitely picked the right player over Kevin White.
Parker isn't really talked about highly other than what he's capable of doing potentially.
I think he's way more talented than Landry except he doesn't have that killer mentality and a few other things.
In his younger days, he's always dominated by sheer athleticism which I think he's learning can't happen in the NFL.
He sounds like he's put on lower body muscle and staying hydrated to dominate this year.
By watching the games, I'm sure you noticed him taking out the #1 Cb every game and opening up opportunities for Stills. ( A few of his TDs were created because of Parker)
He's shown flashes of greatness now it's time to put it together 16 games.
DVP breaking out this year could put us over the top. The way all our wrs compliment each other, it doesn't matter about stats with me in regards to dvp. If he's dialed in, the threat of him is going to open up Stills, or Landry, or Thomas. He needs to be able to be an explosive, whether deep or intermediate, player on every play.
I still believe Parker would look different if Landry wasn't so good and didn't get as many targets as he does. If Parker was on a team that fed him 130 targets per year like many #1 receivers get he would put up All-Star like numbers. In my mind health and opportunity are the only things keeping Parker from being a very good/dominate receiver.
Ya isn't it a great problem to have?..finally!!!
Parker will be as good as he wants to be.
Jarvis has the heart of a lion and under appreciated athleticism.
He can juke you, run by you, or go head on with you (Ask Donta Hightower lol)
If Parker is doing what he's saying, we really should be ecstatic about our offense.
Who would have thought 3 years ago we'd have this many ultra talented skill players that all are great at something different?
RB-Ajayi, Williams, Drake
WR-Landry, Parker, Stills,
That's some serious talent!!
The only reason his opportunities have been limited is because he has hasn't been healthy. There are very few receivers in the NFL that would take targets away from DVP if he was healthy and consistent - Landry isn't one of them. DVP will be as good as he wants to be, only time will tell.
The problem isn't just a lack of targets. It's also what he did when targeted. Or what he didn't do. It was eye-opening last year to see Parker on high-value, game-changing plays -- where he was asked to go up and get a ball to win a game or ice it. Multiple times he misplayed the ball in the air, badly, or mistimed jumps, leading to INTs or incomplete. Someone said that Parker hasn't been the same on these kinds of plays since landing on his back -- I'm not sure if that's it, but it does look like he is looking to protect himself instead of high-tracking and high-pointing the ball in traffic -- leading to awkward attempts, mistimed leaps, etc. Definitely not alpha play out of that player.
I've only seen sparks, but never a full burn, of alpha play out of him. Not confident that that's who is is.
Edit: It was Pandarilla that noted Parker's issues since landing on his back hard.
See above post.
I agree he's shown some flashes. Never a full burn though.
Care to share these instances with the rest of the class?
I remember people saying he mistimed his jump at the end of the first New England game, but I think it would have been a tough catch either way. I recall Parker going up and high pointing four big passes that were negated. Two cathes were overturned because his hand came down out of bounds before his knee or feet came down, while two others were lost due to penalties. LD7 see's Parker struggling going up for passes, I see him as doing a better job in that area than any Miami receiver in recent history. I can't think of another receiver in the past 5 or 10 years that you could just throw the ball up and hope he out fights the defender. In that situation I would eaily take Parker over any other recent Dolphin receiver.
There were at least two glaring instances this past season, on offense. [I don't have time to go through all the games to pull them out, sorry. A grievous one is the ending of the first NE game. Watch his eyes, feet and timing on the eventual leap. Pretty horrid. Misplayed ball in air and had no chance to contest and catch it.] And one on defense: he misplayed the ball in the air, threw timing off, and missed an easy INT (on a Hail Mary). Not an alpha at all, on those plays. Parker does well when he can run the pattern and leap in rhythm, to the expected catch point, where the defender doesn't have equal sight for the ball, and no safety is worried about. If there are multiple defenders and it's truly a jump ball, he doesn't seem to do as well.
I'd take him over any other Dolphin WR in this category also. The problem is that people are pulling in alpha bell cow WRs from other teams and equating Parker to them, in hopes that he will blossom into them. That's what I'm not seeing yet.
Him rapping in his free time was a sign that the wasn't ready to play?
I doubt he will be a Julio Jones or AJ Green as some hope he will be, but I think he'll be damn good and if fans hold back on judging him against great players he'll be fine. I really dislike the thought that a young player has to be on par with greatness or he's a bum or bust. When people talk about the all time great receivers of recent years, like Calvin Johnson, Terrell Owens, Randy Moss, Chad Johnson, AJ Green, Julio Jones and so on and so on I see a lot of great players with great numbers, but no championships. A corp of Landry, Stills and Parker is good enough. Sure elite would be nice but good compintent professional play is good enough to win games. I know when you compare him to the other top receivers drafted early in the 2015 draft only Amari Cooper has had a better start.
I agree. IF you've got a D that is strong up the middle and top 15 overall, and a well-coached team overall. And an OL that is strong up the middle.
I agree that a healthy Landry, Stills and Parker are good enough to win with. Just make sure those other things are there.
Weak argument for his ball skills by leaning on two playground type plays. You're really trying to reach here in singling out just a few off-script instances when truth is he's shown a very good amount of his alpha abilities at receiver in typical passing situations when normal route progressions and timing are in play. No worries, you'll be happy when you're proven wrong as you are now, but apparently need irrelevant fantasy statistics to be convinced otherwise.
That's just my own opinion...
It's gonna be fun when we play the Raiders. First matchup between Parker and Amari Cooper. I see that game as possibly the most entertaining game of the regular season.
Even though they won't be matching up and I truly appreciate the talent of Parker, Cooper is far and away the better WR. He may in fact be one of the best in the NFL. His route running abilities are phenomenal.
It wasn't just two plays. And the kind of plays I'm talking about are the ones that separate the elite from the wannabe-elite. Although I will admit that I may be seeing the glass half empty instead of half full...
Maybe I've been conditioned by years of Dolphin ineptitude and head-scratching personnel decisions and coaching failures?
Pavlov's salivating half-empty dog glasses. Or something like that, lol.
This is the year for him to either be that guy we drafted, or turn in to compliment. It's good he seems to get it, as his work ethic is improving and the coaching staff is noticing. If you look at very good to great WRs in the NFL today many had the same struggles as Parker with inconsistency and hard time time staying healthy before they broke out in their 3rd or 4th season, (Antonio Brown, Julio Jones, and D Thomas, etc etc.). Not saying he will be these guys but the history is there to say he could break out.
Well hopefully he has the notion of his foot being busted out of his mind. It had to be in the back of his head ****ing with him. At the end of last season it appeared his anxiety about the foot disappeared.
I hear ya. I'm not looking for Parker to be an elite WR. I see him being a very good one, and a solid contributor among some very fine talent in Landry and Stills. He has an important role here and offers a different skillset than the others. I couldn't care less about a big individual statistical season as long as he is a starting contributor to the offense's much needed increased points per game.
Parker has two NFL seasons under his belt. Let's take this in pieces to understand where he can go.
As a senior in college he knew his chance to become an NFL player, get drafted high, secure his financial future, and live his dream was very closely correlated to his performance his final year in college. Being injured dramatically reduced his chance to show he could be great. So, he rushed himself back, got onto the field, played hurt, and was fantastic. Still, he wasn't fully healed.
Then preparing for the draft he was required to focus on explosive traits, such as his forty time, which he ran in 4.45, and his vertical jump, in which he jumped 36.5", and his broad jump where he leaped 125". All of these explosive activities put a high strain on an unhealed foot. So, like many rookies, he came into the NFL as an injured player who needed to heal. This isn't talked about a lot, but these same reasons cause a lot of rookies to come in hurt. It's a compounding of their focus to play hurt to show out for the pre-draft process. As a result, we get a lot of injuries that linger, like Parker's, and a lot more that are over-stressed and cause big problems just before the draft. This is not an uncommon thing.
Fast forward to Parker as a rookie ... and let me say that word again ... rookie. He has heard all of his life about how he needs to work to be great, but at every level he has simply been great because he has superior athletic ability. He comes in injured but wants to play ... so doesn't let it heal. Like most warriors he tells his coaches he is fine, and plays on it when he shouldn't. Preseason isn't really a challenge. Lots of drill work without contact. Minimal padded practices. Only a few quarters of actual play in games and even that is vanilla coverages against veterans who are trying not to get injured or players who likely will never start an NFL game. It's not hard.
Then comes the regular season. All of a sudden the speed of the game ramps up dramatically. The physicality of the defenders jumps tremendously. For the first time in his life, he isn't faster or bigger than the CB's. They know exactly what he is going to do before he does it. Now, he needs every ounce of his athletic ability ... and his foot is failing him. His explosion isn't there, it is replaced by pain he is afraid to show. For the first time in his life, he isn't dominant ... he isn't even good. Of course in his heart he knows that it is all because of this foot he didn't let heal. As he heals a bit he shows flashes of the player he knows he can be. In his mind, he just needs to heal and he will physically dominate again. He is wrong. It takes more than that, but he doesn't realize that yet.
Now his second year comes along. He just assumed he would heal by not playing. But he didn't keep his body in pristine shape. He didn't take his craft seriously enough. He was born with physical gifts that Jarvis Landry could only dram of having with true elite speed and size. But it made him believe he would always succeed and he didn't learn the valuable lesson Landry learned ... that to be great you need to outwork everyone else. I call that the Jerry Rice work ethic. So, while DVP thinks season two will see him dominate and become a superstar ... it begins with Gase leaving him at home, sending a clear message that he needs to shape up. Parker does what he has always done, relies on his physical ability, and shows some of his immaturity by being late to meetings and skipping voluntary throwing sessions with Tannehill. He thinks he can just flip the switch and be great. But as season two showed him ... he is just ordinary when he fails to put in the requisite effort. He is slowed by foot, hamstring and lower body injuries ... and he's no longer 17, so his body doesn't bounce back quite as quickly . Parker is NOT the success he expects to be.
As the season ends, everyone is talking about how Landry is already a legend. Everyone is debating how valuable Stills is and how much we need him. And people are putting Parker into the same questionable boat as Leonte Caroo. His own self-reflection tells him he has had two NFL season and is being viewed as a bust by the pundits. FINALLY, he starts to get it. Stills is a talented WR who is a great grinder. Landry is a talented WR who is a great grinder. They never miss meetings or workouts. They never fall victim to nagging injuries. They're always at the facility lifting, running, and studying film. They're always running routes again to perfect them well after practice has ended. They work during the offseason like they have a game that Sunday. They eat right. They drink right. They talk non-stop about grinding. They live grinding.
So Parker is at a bit of a crossroads. He has a 4 year contract with a team-owned 5th year option. Based on past performance, he's an average NFL player, with no great accomplishments. If he wants to become a good player, he needs to devote his life to the temple of football. He needs to work at it EVERY day. He needs to prioritize work over fun. He needs to prioritize work over friends. He needs to prioritize work over family. And, if he truly wants to become great, he needs to make the transcendent step of devotion and adopt the Jerry Rice work ethic.
We've heard the platitudes. We've seen the flashes. We notice that Parker has strengthened his lower body. The stage is set. If Parker wants to become great, he is the only one who can do it. He has size bigger and longer than Jerry Rice. He has speed faster than Jerry Rice. He has good hands and excellent length to be a mismatch target. He has the after the catch running ability to generate large amounts of YAC. He has the size and length to be a red zone threat and rack up lots of TD's. He has the long speed to catch deep balls and generate high YPC. If he wants to be thought of in the same breath as AJ Green, the physical ability is there. All it takes is complete dedication.
This year is year 3. That is the typical breakout year for WR's. Many today show up earlier, but it's not uncommon to make the breakthrough in year 3. Those that do not ... tend not to make a breakthrough at all. The NFL is littered with guys like Justin Hunter who have all the tools but haven't given the effort developing themselves to make them great ... or even good ... or even earning a roster spot.
If he waits until year 4, he'll be lumped into a not so generous group of players who "only produced in a contract year" generating a lot of skepticism about offering him a big contract. Year 4 is the last chance saloon for big contracts. And if you're hurt in year 4, you're SOL. So, IMHO, if he's going to prove he wants to be great. This year, year 3, is the year he must prove it. I think he can. And more importantly, I think he will.
Ehh thats not what I said but to clarify he was doing stuff on there you would expect from a 15 year old. He seems to have curbed that a bit I was just pointing out that he might be maturing