Gibson + Welker > Wallace OR Gibson + Cook > Wallace

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  1. BenchFiedler

    BenchFiedler Undrafted Pro-Bowler

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    Wallace will be asking for a lot of money.. I think we can handle Gibson's salary which will be the same as Hartline and add Welker to this offense. Wallace, besides his speed has not proven much and he is not in the same category as Calvin Johnson or Fitzgerald..

    I would take my chances with Welker and Gibson or Gibson and Cook and draft a stud WR in the 1st round.

    Wallace might be too risky since he might be a one-trick wonder...
     
  2. Smith21

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    Cook and Welker both want a lot of money Also...
     
  3. Noodleman

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    Wuck Felker!!! Don't want him. Jennings if not wallace.
     
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    Wallace has not proven much? Dude has 32 tds in past 4 years. He is the MOST dangerous deep threat in the game. Is he as good as Fitz or Megatron? of course not but don't act like the guy is nothing special. He is one of a few players in the league that a d has to account for at ALL times. Gibson and COok is nothing like having Wallace. He brings a dimension to an offense that most teams don't have. Sorry this thread is complete fail!
     
  5. AFCMiamiEast

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    The team has the cap space to sign Wallace and Cook, or any other free agent tight end they are interested in. Get over Welker, he is not signing with us again. You look up Wallace's career stats and tell me he is a "one trick wonder". The man had a career worst last year and still managed to score 8 TDs, 3x as much as our entire WR squad altogether last season. Sign him up.
     
  6. houtz

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    You're mathematics are ****ing terrible.

    Wallace > all.
     
  7. Fin_Frenzy_84

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    Wallace/Gibson would be the best
    We have roughly 36 million and need to save 6 million for draft picks. If we cut Patterson and Carpenter we should gain around 7 million

    12 million to Wallace
    4.5 million to Gibson
    Martellus Bennett 5 million
    Eric Winston 6 million
    Keenan Lewis or Aqib Talib 5-6 million

    That would be amazing
     
  8. 23EmilioVasquez

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    welker wouldnt produce on this team the way he did in NE its not the same type of system
     
  9. slimfintintin

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    Now we're talkin :hitit:
     
  10. daniel3

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    Yeah, when Welker left here he couldn't have been happier and was bad mouthing the team. Now you guys want him back even though we have ample guys at his position and he's much older ;(?
     
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    God no. Welker doesn't want to be back here, wants to be paid too.

    So we'd have a team of average receivers ONCE AGAIN
     
  12. Fin_Frenzy_84

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    Welker still produces great numbers.
     
  13. finitis23

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    why all this love for Gibson? imo he seems very inconsistent, which is something we don't need anymore of in Miami ... all of a sudden Gibson has become a better player than Wallace in finheaven circles lmao
     
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    Send this to Ireland!! Gibson wants 6-7 mill. though.
     
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    75 passes thrown to Gibson, only 5 drops. The guy has great size and hands. He is certainly better than anyone we have now, and I for one am very nervous shelling out 12-14 million a year for a guy that doesn't run good routes and can't break double coverage like a Fitzgerald or C. Johnson.
     
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    I think Brandon Gibson is the part of any of these equations that doesn't really make much sense to me.
     
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    Personally I would rather have Gibson, T. Austin and Dustin Keller
     
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    CK I respect your opinion as much as anyone on here, but should this team get in a bidding war for Wallace, especially if the number may reach 13-15m. I know Gibson is young and upcoming and Stevie Johnson called him the 3rd best Free Agent WR available. Just wanting to know your thoughts on Gibson.
     
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    What role does Gibson even fit here? 4.59 40 says he has little deep ball ability, he's only 6' 3/8" and benched 225 10 times, so he doesn't look like a big redzone threat. Honestly, he looks like Hartline Lite to me; I don't get it.

    A logical approach would be:
    Wallace: Deep ball guy
    Cook: Physical freak redzone mismatch guy
    Hartline: #2 move the chains guy
    Austin/Swope: Lethal slot guy
    Matthews: Developmental guy

    too bad theres not much logic around these parts.
     
  20. ckparrothead

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    I'm not a big fan of the idea of paying Mike Wallace that much money. There's no question, he's talented. He's fast as hell and marries that with great ability to play the football in the air. His speed makes him a threat after the catch even if he's not exactly a DeSean Jackson that way. But when you're talking $12 or $13 million a year, you're talking 10% of your entire team is Mike Wallace. That's hard to swallow. A lot has been made about how in this offense Joe Philbin can't stomach having a #1 wide receiver, a guy that you focus on getting the ball to every game. He supposedly loves a more egalitarian approach where the ball flows naturally according to the coverage. If 10% of your team (salary cap-wise) is Mike Wallace, can you afford to do that? What happens when you lose a football game 23-27 and Mike Wallace was only thrown the football 6 times?

    His most efficient year in the league was 2010. That was when he had 1257 yards and 10 TDs on 60 catches and 93 attempts. But perhaps people don't realize in that year, he was thrown the football 6 times or fewer in 12 games that year. Could people stomach that in Miami if he's making $12.5 million a year and is literally supposed to be 10% of the team?

    And what happened when the team leaned on him more? Well they did that in the Super Bowl that very same year. When the going got rough they leaned on Mike Wallace to the tune of 16 attempts his direction. He repaid them with 9 catches for 89 yards, 1 TD and 2 INTs on balls heading his direction. Not the best of games.

    In fact in his career he's been targeted 10+ times in a game a total of 10 games. The production in those 10 games amounts to 74 catches on 116 attempts for 967 yards and 7 TDs with 5 INTs thrown in his direction. In the other games in his career he's got 177 catches on 327 targets for 3,218 yards, 26 TDs and 11 INTs in his direction. That's a big drop, from 9.8 yards per attempt to 8.3 yards per attempt.

    So there's some question whether we can ever re-create the circumstances for him that saw him producing 13.5 yards per attempt in 2010...or even 10.6 yards per attempt in 2011...to where most games he's getting targeted maybe 4 to 6 times per game. There's also some worry that at 27 years old he's certainly still in his prime so to speak but maybe a little less so than he was when he was 24 years old in 2010...and certainly in 3 years he'll still be very much under contract and still be very expensive and at 30 years old you wonder if he'll be as explosive then too.

    The whole thing is dicey. You'd like to not have to buy this kind of player at PEAK price levels in his career...and that's what we'd be doing.
     

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