Hartline had more yards than Wallace, Bowe, or Jennings in 2012.

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  1. normaldude

    normaldude Starter

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    Why do so many Finheaven posters want to get rid of Brian Hartline?

    He's not a superstar, but he's a solid #2, has developed chemistry with Tannehill, and we should definitely keep him.
     
  2. MiamiNative0722

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    What is the purpose of this thread? I dont get why Dolphins fans say this. Are you trying to argue that Hartline is better than any one of those 3 guys? If so, gtfo because you're delusional.

    Its not even a question that those 3 are leagues ahead of Hartline
     
  3. normaldude

    normaldude Starter

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    Nope. I never said Hartline was better than any of those 3 guys.

    Please re-read my post.
     
  4. Wildbill3

    Wildbill3 Misery Loves Company Administrator Finheaven VIP

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    I think he's saying that you don't just let a quality guy like hartline walk.
     
  5. Casas9425

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    Hartline doesn't score. He's allergic to the end zone and he's not a big play guy.
     
  6. MiamiNative0722

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    Reality is we will draft a wide receiver to develop to eventually be our number 1. A rookie won't be able to provide the offensive firepower to put up number 1 stats in the first year.

    So the receiver we bring in whether its Hartline Wallace or Jennings will have to be our temporary number 1 while the rookie develops. Eventually that player would become our number 2 under that rookie. Might as well make it the best receiver available and that is NOT Hartline!

    Hartline isn't even a good number 2. Hell, Wallace was the number 2 in Pittsburgh. Look at other 2's: Nelson, Cobb, JJ, White, Nicks
     
  7. Vaark

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    So what kind of thread do you think is more useful...the 500th unoriginal anti-Ireland regurgitation??
     
  8. fanfin

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    he only scored 6 points for us that is why
     
  9. Austin Tatious

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    I like Hartline, but to be fair, Jennings was hurt a big chunk of the year.
     
  10. normaldude

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    I should also mention that in 2012, Brian Hartline's avg yards/reception was also better than Wallace, Bowe, and Jennings.

    I know you guys want two megatrons as our WRs, but that isn't happening.

    Hartline won't break the bank, and he'll be a solid #2 for us. Keep the guy.
     
  11. Wildbill3

    Wildbill3 Misery Loves Company Administrator Finheaven VIP

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    Sorry I was unaware that there was a 100 yards between the endzone. I guess we should flip a coin to see if we score on any given drive. "someone" has to move the ball, might as well keep a guy who's proven to help move the ball.
     
  12. mrhankey81701

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    Besides the fact that he seems to get tackled by phantom contact I really like Hartline. If you watched the tape this year teams always had help over the top for him. He isn't a number 1 but he got covered like one this year and still finished with some very good numbers. I think we should trade Bess, sign Jennings and draft a receiver like Allen. Hartline, Jennings and Allen are a good core. Then it would allow us to double up on TE this year with Eifert (trade up) and Jordan Reed. That would be a damn good receiving core.
     
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    Jennings had injuries, Bowe had bad QB's, and Wallace held out. Doesn't matter Hartline will be back and we need one of these guys on the opposite side.
     
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    And if he ends up being our #3 that is one hell of an offense if you ask me.
     
  15. Sirspud

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    Only Dolphin fans could look at a 1,000 yard receiver and say he sucks and act like anyone proclaiming he has value is an idiot. You don't have to be a TD machine to be a useful offensive piece. In all likelihood I see us bringing in someone else and Hartline moving on, but Hartline is probably going to pull a Welker and have a number of good seasons in an offense with more talent on the field.
     
  16. trockthespot

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    Hartline is a good-average player and that's are problem we just have a bunch of good-average players and we need some great impact players...but he does do a good job between the 20s and he should have a place on our team as a complementry player not as a go to guy like he was this year
     
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    As Dave Hyde wrote after the game. Hartline may have been auditioning for Bellicheck. He's exactly the type of player the Pats covet. Hard working and intelligent.
    Welker didn't score much as a phin either.
     
  18. MiamiNative0722

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    I'll take Jennings and Keenan Allen.

    The reason we want him to walk is because if we go get Jennings, we wont be able to afford more receivers other than in the draft. So we want Jennings more.
     
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    besides, if you get more WR/TE's going in this offense it would stand to reason he would score more TD's. Hartline dives for balls and is great at the sideline, but he catches alot of those balls that others cannot. He also was double covered yesterday and still burned them. Hartline is one guy I would not mind overpaying for a little if neccessary because BB has his eye on him. take it to the bank.

    ---------- Post added at 11:27 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:25 PM ----------

    I'll take Jennings and Stedman Bailey. more versatile.
     
  20. Gonzo

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    This is the biggest problem with fantasy football. People spend more time checking out NFL.com's stats site than actually watching the games. I don't want to get rid of Hartline, but if you think Hartline is anywhere near the WR any of those other three are, you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about.
     
  21. j-off-her-doll

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    Hartline's case is obvious. For a cheap contract, he's worth bringing back, but if he's the 2nd best WR on your team, you're in trouble.
     
  22. TheWalrus

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    Hartline had more yards and a higher YPC than Larry Fitzgerald, too. I wonder why the OP didn't bring that up? :bobdole:
     
  23. Dolfan4life!

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    Hartline is a good possession receiver, something that any/every team needs. However, he lacks the ability to be a serious playmaker in this offense - not very much YAC ability...but he will move the chains for the offense. I'd love to be able to keep him on the team, but we also need to substantially upgrade the position with a playmaker or two.
     
  24. Billk78

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    Maybe he doesnt score much because they don't call his number in the red zone. Marshall couldnt score here either and he had 15 with the Bears. TDs isnt the only stat, this isnt fantasy football.
     
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    I think the counter agrument is that with all our free agents hartline might be expendable and his contract could potentially keep us from getting one of the better 3 guys in the OP
     
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    For someone who missed most of camp, and came in to a team with a bunch of rag-tag supporting cast I think Hartline had a phenomenal season, and we would be absolutely foolish to not resign him. Because as others have said, you can put money on it that he'll be burning us twice as a year as a Patriot if we are dumb enough to let him walk.

    The whole talk of statistics makes me laugh too, did all you stat fanatics watch every game this season? Even in yesterdays abysmal showing Hartline was one of the very few bright spots. I agree he isn't a #1, but think about what we started this season with Armstrong, Clay, Naanee? By all accounts we were set to have the worst WR corps in the NFL, and a few weeks in, Hartline was leading the NFL in yards! I think we would be just fine, if not a serious threat having Hartline opposite any of the names being tossed around.
     
  27. DuderinoN703

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    I'm all for bringing him back as a #2 or #3 guy.
     
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    I think Bess can fill the role hartline does would rather revamp this unit and not get sentimental ... If hartline costs 3-4 mil i think it's time to move on. Plenty of wideouts get 1000 yards it doesn't have to mean that much. No one contested him this year his season was a product of lack of other players around him. In a way it's sad but if he can hit 1k what can a Jennings or Wallace do here without other playmakers taking reps ect? Also if you take out the cardinals game is anyone THAt impressed with his season? I'm not he's average. You can get better in the draft for cheaper if need be.
     
  29. uk_dolfan

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    Letting Hartline go would be insane
     
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    Hartline has improved every year, I thought that's what you wanted out of your draft picks. Now people want to let him go, what happened to drafting to build your team and re-signing your own?
     
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    If Hartline is our 3rd guy, we'd be in good shape. We need to get 2 weapons for Tannehill that can actually score TD's.
     
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    Hartline is a solid NFL receiver who gets open b/c he runs GREAT routes....something many more talented receivers have yet to figure out or simply don't care about, thinking their raw physical talent will always win out.

    Tannehill has grown very comfortable with Hartline, so i would love to keep him around next year as a #2 guy as long as his contract demands are reasonable.
     
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    Can you mention how all three had more TDs than Hartline?
     
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    I detest fantasy football and don't participate in any of it, but its ridiculous to act like there isn't value in 1,000 yards and over 70 catches. Tannehill could count on Hartline to beat coverage or be there for a third down conversion more than all the other receivers on the field combined.
     
  35. PlexGod

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    ok i have a question then for all those people that want to bring back Hartline. Would you rather have a guy with 70+ catches and 1000 yards and one TD one the team or a guy with say 60 catches for 800 yards and 7 Tds on the team. Dont know about you guy and this isnt fantasy football talking, i want the guy that scores point for us. 1000 yards dont mean anything if we dont get the ball in the endzone to put up points.... The amount of yards at the end of the game dont mean **** if we dont score points.
     
  36. datruth55

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    Which is more damning to the WR corp than flattering to what Hartline did.
     
  37. The Tannehills Have Eyes

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    This and does the OP really think he get's as much as attention as these 3 receivers do from defense?
     
  38. normaldude

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    I would prefer to have both. You need more than 1 WR. Mike Wallace & Brian Hartline as our boundary WRs.
     
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    I don't know about that. Hartline doesn't have the quicks that Welker has. Have you noticed that every time we play a team that plays a lot of man ( I.e. gets in Hartline's face), he has one of his two or zero catch games?
     
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    I don't hate the guy, seems like a good dude.
    I just don't want him as a #2. I think we need to do better. Just my opinion but I think he's going to expect a lot more than I would be willing to give him.
    Hence, I would let him go if that's the case.

    Imo he's not a irreplaceable guy. Not even in the most remote possibility. Get a good rookie wr, nobody will miss Hartline imo.
     
  42. FinHopeful

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    I disagree. Hartline is respected by everyone except Dolphin fans. He is a durable, solid number two receiver. He needs a legitimate deep threat with speed to stretch out the defense, but you under value him.
     
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    DeAndre Hopkins should he the target in the 2nd round of the draft.

    He's a damn good WR.
     
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    1 TOUCHDOWN in the last 31 games...124 quarters of football
     
  45. FinHopeful

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    Hartline deserves a five-year $22 million contract. That is a competitive contract for his skill set, demonstrated durability, and team oriented mentality.
     
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    Hard to believe that Hartline will be so easily replaced when there are some here who still whine about not having Ted Ginn, even though Ginn lacked that one essential thing in a football player called "production".
     
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    What ginn lacks is a pair of nuts.... the guy is a total puss and afraid to catch the ball.... worst part is he still had more TDs in one year then hartline has had in three here.
     
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    I like Hartline. If we let him walk he will go to the Pats. Put great numbers and we will be saying how stupid Ireland is for not resigning him.
     
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    Which is why judging a receiver merely by TD's scored is ludicrous.
     
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    As a dolphin for 2 seasons and 32 games, Wes Welker scored 1 TD. You cant put everything on a receiver. The QB and OC have lots to do with it. Im not blaming Tanny here, I'm just saying that Hartline would be a huge loss to this team and he will be as successful as Welker in another team with more offensive weapons other than him alone.
     

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