Hickey gets it!!!

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  1. fisi

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    Miami has recently signed receivers Damian Williams, Kevin Cone and Mike Rios. They also reportedly offered a contract to Nate Burleson.

    There are also reports that the Dolphins are planning on selecting a WR early in the draft like Marqise Lee, Brandin Cooks, Kelvin Benjamin, Donte Moncrief, Odell Beckham Jr. or Martavis Bryant, most of whom the Dolphins have already met with or plan on meeting with before the draft.

    Why all of the sudden interest in a position ?

    It could be several reasons:

    Is it because Hartline, Gibson and Binns are all recovering from serious knee injuries?

    Could it be that the Dolphins are looking for a replacement for Mr Wallace, who’s grossly overpaid despite his game-changing speed, isn’t worth the outrageous salary cap number $17.25 million.

    Perhaps it is Gibson who the Dolphins are eager to replace. He’s due $2.7 million in 2014 after a serious knee injury after all. Not to mention that Matthews, a much cheaper option, looked just as capable, if not more so, in the slot after Gibson went down for the year.

    For me, the explanation is very simple- you see at first glance, the Dolphins’ wide receiver corps appears to be one of the club’s strongest units. If healthy, they could be very dangerous but on second look that is not the case. The new Miami Dolphins GM Dennis Hickey has had that second look and HE GETS IT.

    He gets it that:

    -The Dolphins receiving corps unit are good but not great

    - They just don’t complement each other very well.

    - No alpha-dog WR or “F” or Feature WR. All you need to do is listen to Jets’ players last game of the year. They said Hartline is their number one and once he was injured nobody on that roster scared them, hence the loss.

    -No Yard-After-Catch or RAC among playmakers in 2013. Dolphins were ranked 23rd in the league in RAC as a team. In 2013, Hartline was 58th in the NFL in RAC yards and Wallace was 70th. Charles Clay was 41st with 382 RAC yards. This was huge especially if you’re going to be running a WCO which is mostly predicated on YAC.

    - They lack size at the position. At 6-foot-2, Hartline is Miami’s tallest target among those who contributed in 2013, but he plays smaller than his size when compared to highly athletic pass catchers. It’s clearly easy to see how Miami struggled in the red zone in 2013 because they lacked a big body receiver.

    -In conclusion, the new GM gets it that in this league you can never have enough weapons, it is a “passing league” and you just can’t have enough play-makers at the WR position. It is clear what Hickey is doing and that is getting players to fit the scheme the Coach wants to run. Just like he did with the offensive line, he is doing with the WRs.

    Whatever the case, it’s clear the Dolphins are entertaining the possibility of selecting a wide receiver with one of their top three picks.
     
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    I agree with the nature of your thread - which is about an OK or good WR core in a pass happy league....and a GM who is not sitting on his laurels and letting the passing game get passed up...

    We are also one player away from being a really great group...Some on this forum lean towards the big target and others like myself love SPEED...

    And maybe Hickey will turn enough leaves to get us both...But I want Miami's passing attack to be a frightening force that keeps DC up all night!!!
     
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    Not sure I agree with the thread as Ireland tried to sign a bunch of WR's too. They were just ask the wrong guys. Hopefully Hickey picks the right guys

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    I think the key is value, which appears to be Hickeys mantra.

    Are our WRs good? Yes.

    Are they worth what they're making and the cap hit they are causing? Hell no.

    -Hence the shift toward drafting a cheap WR.
     
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    Agree a WR will be drafted but can be anywhere from Round 1 to round 5. We also need a real TE.
     
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    Our WR core is serviceable, but teams aren't scared of of our receivers. That's what I want to see. I think in the long run we need to plan around not having mike Wallace. You can find straight line speed for a lot cheaper. We need a big possession receiver that can be a safety net for T-Hill.
     
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    Is he "like a boss"?
     
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    Gets what we have no offensive line, linebackers that get run over and a secondary that's has questions all over place after not resigning over half the secondary. Soo if picking a WR makes sense to you then lots of good luck in the draft as we will need it.
     
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    Yup
     
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    We'll see. I don't think it takes a ton of insight to see our WRs are not worth their contracts. I mean, sure it's already a leg up on Ireland but I don't feel like grading Hickey on a curve.

    Hopefully he focuses on value and balance and not just select positions.
     
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    I really wish people would quit bitching about contracts..The cap is gonna greatly increase in years to come.
     
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    I agree...thats why my mock has us picking the explosive touchdown maker Brandin Cooks.
     
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    I'm reserving judgement on both Hickey and Wallace. Let's give RT some time and then see how good Wallace is then. I have always said our WR corps in very average, and we need a big WR/TE to go over the middle and in the red zone. If Hickey gets it he will draft both. Oh yeah, and while he's at it we need a RB that can get 1 yard and break tackles.
     
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    FISI: the jets were not dissing wallace, they new they were dissing tanny.

    they saw all season that he could not hit wallace down field with ANY consistency. the balls were almost always GROSSLY short and all they had to do was double cover him all over the field and if the ball was thrown to him, all the db's had to do was wait for the ball to fall out of the sky and pic it off or swat it down.

    but, i am a big hickey fan. now we shall see how he does when he makes the decision on who to draft and not just suggest.

    and they did just that.
     
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    what if both of those players are gone when he pics?

    what if some others he wanted are gone and the position everyone cried for dikdnt get filled how they wanted [if at all].

    see, this is what people do not understand. a draft will end and everyone is cranky because they thought this guy or that wasnt drafted and ANY idiot would see miami needed that player or players.

    THE GM MUST GO!!!!

    maybe they did and then those players were gone. and then some others [that we didnt know were on thier board] were gone when they drafted again later.

    just because we didnt get a player doesnt always mean the GM didnt want them or dropped the ball.
     
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    This goes with what I've been saying, which is we haven't seen Joe Philbin's offense, yet. He's failed to build his vision. So no doubt adding some WR's and TE's are part of the plan. We got rid of Bess because he was a catch-and-fall-down type guy. With Hartline and Bess, we were too easily contained. So we stretched the field out with Wallace, and replaced Bess with Gibson, who is better. Gibson and Keller both got hurt and that immediately limited the offense. There's no doubt we need better options, and with a combination of drafting, FA and bringing back injured players, I hope we can pull it off. This is the year we need to see the offense be effective.
     
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    definitely need to put up more than one 30 burger. :lol:
     
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    Mike Wallace are you listening? You need to step up your game, jump for the ball, fight for the ball. Your replacements are being looked at right in front of you. Show Hickey and us why you get so much money.
    Btw, if Ryan hit him deep like he's supposed to, maybe this conversation doesn't happen. Maybe it's all contracts. Whatever the reason, bring in more TD's, more points, more victorys!
     
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    Hickey gets it!....Like a Boss :dance:

    On a serious note: I think I'm somewhat in-line with what OP's saying on Hickey, I like that he's placing some emphasis on the WR corps. One could look at our group of WR's without aqua-colored glasses on and easily say, Hmm, overpaid, recovering from injury, and all transitioning to a new OC and playbook. Hickey's wise to not sit on his laurels with such an important position for our offense.

    Hopefully he doesn't pull an Ireland and blow up a unit just for the sake of getting "cheaper" like the ILB's last year.
     
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    I'm sorry you can't say Hickey gets it based on signing a load of scrubs. Yards after the catch is my biggest concern with the receivers we currently have, from memory our red zone efficiency was very good, or did it regress during the season?
    Don't see us going receiver in the 1st round unless a load of players that suit our needs are gone, but a receiver in the 2nd round or later is a probability.
     
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    Not sure why you think its 100% RT's fault that our deep balls sucked last year. You post is kinda contrdicts itself.
     
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    You can have the best wide reciever in the world but if your QB is sitting on his butt in the grass like ours was last year then that all world reciever is as worthless as a scrub on your team. Last year at this time we appeared at least to have the makings of a decent OL with a couple of guys who had been to the pro-bowels, a second round pick returning his second year plus Pouncy. Now we have Pouncy, Albert who has only made it through one full season uninjured and a ton of very, very part time players. We have 4 holes on the offensive line to fill. Lots of folks were giddy over getting rid or the Old linebackers last year and bringing in the new young guys. Well that did not work out to well did it and Dansby who let go went on to a probowl year and the young guys were either banged up and did not play that well. So we have another hole or two to fill at linebacking and do not expect the run defense to get any better with the loss of our main stay in Paul Stolai. Our defensive secondary played probably the best of any positions we had out there last year, so we let 2 out of 3 CB's walk along with a starting safty and replace them with guys off injured reserve who were once upon a time good players but that was once upon a time. They certianly could have, should have resgined these 3 guys for some insurance in Nolan Carrol, John Jerry and Chris Clemons. All these guys were very affordable to resign and were proven starters last year compared to any replacement they have brought in. Take into consideration our coach who basically lost his team the last 2 games of the season last year when they couldn't score enough points against 2 farily weak opponents to get into the playoffs and I am not gettng a warm and fuzzy feeling about a guy capable of coaching up most of these Hicky signings this year.
     
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    Tanny running for his life and he is supposed to Wallace in stride - ok yah...
     
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    Even giving up 58 sacks is only about 6% of the total snaps where the QB is on the ground. That leaves plenty of opportunities for the skill players to put points on the board.
     
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    you mean the ones that never could stop or defend anyone good? those guys? the ones who didnt have the talent to be part of a championship secondary?

    the only questions left is WHY WERE THEY NOT RUN OFF SOONER? and WHY IS JIMMY WILSON still with the team?

    you have to clean out the bums to make room for real players, real talent. i think we will go secondary EARLY and OFTEN. in this day of the pass at all costs nfl, you have to have big talent across the board not only in the starters but also the bench.

    we brought in some wait and see types, but nothing that wont hurt us if the draft pics are far and above them and they get released. guys like delmas. if he is healthy, he is an enforcer in the middle of the field. we havnt had that type of safety in many, many years. and it is why i think if calvin pryor is still there at #19, its a done deal. if he isnt there they will go for whatever is the best cb available. the nfl networks new MOCK DRAFT WEEKLY has us taking BRADLEY ROBY at #19. i would be estatic with that choice. h-ha dixon could [and should] be in the mix if safety is still the want and pryor is gone.

    again, my point is they didnt resign them because they were not worthy of the talent we need to be a championship contender. those guys are not talented enough to be part of a championship caliber secondary.

    i think this could end up being one of the greatest secondary drafts of all time. its loaded with top notch corners and the safetys are BIG TIME under rated. something ireland could never figure out was drafting to the STRENGTH of the draft. this year, its wr, secondary and OL. YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO STOP THESE BIG, FAST, PHYSICAL WR'S that are all over the nfl now like seattle did with great secondary play across the board.

    and your right. we have lots of questions in the secondary right now. hopefully the draft solves that.
     
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    100% RT's fault? Please re-read the top line of my post. Thx.
     
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    Sacks then you have the hurries which are not counted in the sack totals but still affect the accuracy of the QB in the pocket or the QB scrambling for his life which is not counted or the QB rolling out of the pocket creating just half the field to throw because of lack of protection. Let's not kid outselves either that we have had a running game to take the pressure off either. The ofensive line is dog meat right now in terms of personel. The only hope we have IMO is our new offensive line coach and that hoping is based he is much better than what we had last year at that posiition.
     
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    Unlike Jeff Ireland, Hickey seems to be able to see that we are not going to beat New England and win the AFC East unless we can score more points. To me this is the main interest in the WR position.
     
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    Hey if our offensive line woes were cured along with linebacking I could go along with your thinking but they are as bad or worse than last year. The secondary was serviceable last year and ranked fairly highly in the league. You have 7 drat picks of which you hope to get maybe 3 legit good starters out of hopefully. These guys they have brought in outside of Moreno and Albert were all sitting on the bench last year because of lack of talent or injuries. You build a team with talent sure but also with depth in case the talent does not pan out and right now we have neither in these positions. So we have a sacked secondary but play a team that wants to run the ball all day becuase
    we our defensive cannot stop the run the pass defense means squat then. Same thing on the offensive side if your QB cannot throw the ball because of the OL then again your pass defense means squatt.
     
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    oh come on!! enough of the "he was always on the ground or on the run stuff.

    yeah, we had some bad o-line play, but at least HALF of those sacks last year were on tanny. he holds the ball to long and doesnt have top notch pocket awareness.

    he is an athletic guy and SHOULD be able to throw on the run. many, many qb's over the years have made big plays down field on the run, because it was designed or the play broke down. just because you have to run doesnt mean you cant make a play [see elway, montana, steve young, randall cunningham, aaron rogers, brett farve, mike vick, russell wilson, drew breese, fran tarkenton, etc...... .

    tanny left a butt load of big plays on the field by not being accurate. he made some real bad stuff when the line held and and his feet were planted. head scratching stuff!!

    it is so weird. usually, qb's who have had a wr like wallace OVER throw them. tanny UNDER THROWS wallace consistently with he having to turn completely around, stop and wait for the ball to fall from the ceiling, and of course, the secondary is waiting right there with him waiting for it to intercept or bat down.

    wallace is an AWSOME WEAPON and if tanny can get his act together we are looking at randy moss type production. big points.

    EVERYBODY ACTS LIKE POOR TANNY was ALWAYS on his back and couldnt get one play to work. every time he threw the ball to wallace, tanny threw it perfect but wallace dropped it or just didnt care to make a play on the ball. its become silly. as far as the passing game's troubles? 65% tanny's fault, 30% o-line and and 5% wallace.

    i am not a tanny basher and i like him, but, he DOES have his weaknesses and being accurate down field is one of them.

    if he cant improve on that this year, we are last in the division.

    FOR GODS SAKE!! even TANNY said HE is the one who has to improve making the big plays down field a few days back. if no one can take it right from his mouth, well, what can you do. its a moot point and the wallace bashing will continue on and on and on.
     
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    And a great WR can catch less accurate throws, get open quicker, and get more YAC on shorter routes. I'm not about to argue that a solid o-line isn't important, just trying to add a little perspective.
     
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    I apologize for my lack of "attendance" lately, been quite busy.

    I agree with the wait and see scenario. The OL and WR issues are obviously paramount. What I'd like to see (after the current issues are settled) is a bruiser of a RB drafted. What I mean by a bruiser is a very common philosophy about these type of players ... one that can run well in the forth quarter and run well in the red zone. And of coarse one that can get those "1 yard and break tackles" along with those other great attributes.

    Without violating the spirit of your post, I truly believe T-Hill will execute like a man on fire, provided of coarse he's surrounded with the OL we would all like to see.

    I remember when Ricky Williams was on par for the rushing title, he had a substantially improved OL blocking for him.

    And look at our adversary T. Brady. One good reason that guy would carve-up a lot of defenses is because (obviously) of a rock-solid OL.

    Please excuse me of posting the obvious. And If I seem to be a bit conceded, I apologize, as that is not my objective.

    Anyway, there's a lot of good posts to read, especially when the draft is close.

    Here's to a winning season!:brewskis:
     
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    We will know after this season if hickey did some good things.I still say first and foremost build that o-line.
     
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    Stop right there you make too much sense!!
     
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    C'mon back at you...

    Yah he is supposed to throw his team under the bus - GREAT LEADER there

    Sure he knows he can improve - Montana missed a lot of deep balls but all is forgotten when you win the SB - they only give out one per season BTW

    I prefer Ryan to look after the ball, than throw wildly off the back foot - Iand if you don't think a QB hears footsteps after being ragged dolled throughout a season than I can't help you

    Protect his backside, have a run game where the opponent D has to play honest and watch the stats improve across the board, if you can't understand this I cant help you

    And Wallace showed us very little for 16+ million - he had the shortest arms of any WR i have seen in recent memory - if you didn't watch his effort I can't help you - He got paid and played like it

    Wallace should be ashamed that Hartline is our no.1 WR heading into this season -> this Stat line don't lie
     
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    I didn't say they were dissing him but they figured us out.
     
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    Last year we brought in Wallace, Gibson and Keller to score more points. This year Hickey has brought in Moreno and Damien Williams. With all those upgrades maybe we should hire some extra folks to keep the scoreboard working properly, we may end up wearing that thing out.

    I swear there are those around here that would blame Ireland for anything from global warming to missing flight 370. Before we annoint Hickey king of the draft, let's at least let him have one first. There is a big difference between talking to a couple WRs before the draft and actually drafting any of them. I will be the first to admit the bar wasn't set too high to be better than Jeff was on draft day, but I can't say Hickey has impressed me much in free agency.
     
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    I agree with what you are saying and would also say any great player is going to make the team better overall at any position that they are playing not just wide reciever. In the case of these current Dolphins there are glaring holes on the team that we cannot pretend have been addressed which takes away some of the luxury of the Dolphins gambling on just great talent alone to invest on any position on the team. Brandon Marshall was a great talent but not a great fit which is why Phibin ditched him so great talent alone does not always benefit or fit the team. This time last year with our trades I beleived most of our glaring holes were solved and it turns out that was not the case with the linebackers and in the case of the offensive line who really knew what happened would happen but at it appeared we had players and could take a chance on a Dion Jordan trade up for special talent. It is very apparent this year we have needs there is no pretending and we have created some of them all on our own. We should have resigned some of the players we let go on the cheap as insurance until we find the special talents in the draft that everyone keeps refering to on this thread. Its called insurance and we do not have as much as we had last year thats for sure. Interesting advatar is that a poke at something. Jusk askin!
     
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    That depends on where and what type of shorter routes are run and the accuracy of the pass.
     
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    OK I hear what you are saying, but given that many experts gave Miami an "F" grade last year, and had Miami having the worst draft of all 32 teams, Hickey should be an upgrade. Yes, we still have to wait to see what Hickey will do in terms of the draft, but he has already added a bunch of WR's through free agency. :up:
     
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    Yes and no. It's just something from an old tv show I grew up on but the show itself did poke fun at society and pop culture in general.
     

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