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  1. hoops

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    ok let's put it all out there...

    john jerry good on the move but terrible in line in both pass pro and run blocking...got eaten alive by lateral quickness and agility off the ball...

    jon martin started slow in fact it was him and jerry that were poor and the issues on the oline in the first quarter but martin bounced back in the 2nd quarter...this scheme though doesn't do jerry or martin many favors and maybe clabo either given the angles they want these guys to make cut blocks in etc...some of these guys are at a disadvantage cause they are just not laterally quick enough to get to their assignments...jon martin tried to cheat and line up off the los on one play so he could cut a guy that otherwise he wouldn't get to and he still couldn't make the block...martin was not as good as he was against the texans...and again i saw martin with his hands on his hips in the first quarter needing a blow...get in game shape already you are the left damn tackle for crying out loud...

    josh samuda the difference as a move athlete when he is on the field is significant...i think agree with pat london when he says samudas issues are technique based...i thought he was much better than jerry obviously and the oline was more solid with him in the game...he would be my opening game starter...i think his issues are correctable with reps and coaching...

    loved the way the rbs picked up blitzers and late pressure in pass pro...lamar miller very sound as was d thomas...which by the way are the run away top 2 backs folks...

    ryan tannehill continues to read the coverage like a maestro i know he missed some things with errant throws and some balls that were catchable but not the best placed but he makes coverage reads like a 5 year vet...that kids not gonna take you out of games with bad decisions...he's just not...i'm sure omar is hating on the 3rd down where he held the ball too long and took a sack well i have to tell you i have seen joe flacco do the exact same thing plenty instead of forcing a bad decision of throw he eats the ball and lives to play another day...threw some straight dimes that were dropped also...but we'll get into that...

    brandon gibson hey if you let that guy continue to get free releases off the los and into his routes he's a win option in the slot...i'm not worried about the drops...he looks like a solid fit in this o and is playing smart...sells some things well early in his routes...and while i have some concerns about how he will handle press when we see it miami has done some smart things by lining him up off the ball and eliminating a lot of the physical play at the los for him...if he's a yard off he's got the wiggle and polish to get into his routes clean and is showing he understands coverage and leverage well...

    mike wallace playing smarter also than i expected...big things for that guy folks...if he stays healthy big things...reading zone coverage well and knowing when to sit down and we all know how much of a vertical threat he is...

    brian hartline will dime you up with his route running on the outside...no wasted motion with his feet and footwork corners continue to drop on him and he just dimes em up at the sticks...very smart wr...solid b/t the 20's option on the outside...

    dion sims continues to show well in line as a blocker...i like what i see in that regard...gonna play in a lot of packages this year in line as a blocker imo...gaining trust

    jonas gray getting run as the 3rd rb i like it...barring injury i doubt he plays other than goalline but i think they keep him...gillislee on the other hand not getting any specials run and not showing anything...i'd expose him to waivers frankly and see if i can do better on another teams cut...there's no real upside there...and no burst...no power...just a guy

    charles clay showcased as the #1 te looked like he did last year to start the season...lackluster route running didn't sell anything and still showing he's not reading coverage well...zone drop tanny expects him to square in and sit down he continues to run the route right into the coverage luckily the defender drops what would have been an easy pick...drops a ball down the seam between defenders placed as perfectly as it could be off his front shoulder that would have been 6...the ball can't be placed any better...great read he won on the route and he just dropped a perfect throw...anyways he's your #1 te folks and of the in house options still the best one by a good margin as a pass catcher so i guess we just hope for the best...

    unfortunately to my eye it looks like marvin mcnutt is your 5th wr...ehhh...that big body seems to be influencing the staff...but that guys not gonna win much against coverage so i guess we will waste a spot...

    rishard mathews run with the first team coverage units and also with the 1's at wr...i think he's a lock...

    bryan tyms and bumphis the only other decisions they have to make...well mcnutt bumphis and tyms...i'd be careful exposing tyms but i think looking around the league they may get away with it and get him on the p squad...

    bumphis...thiggy has won both returner jobs and he should have em frankly...bump is not getting run with the 2 deep wr core i don't know if they are hiding him for the p squad or what at this point...he doesn't have much upside admittedly but he's also a great fit for this o...hard to say what's going on there

    this team has a tough decision to make now with lance louis...he's back he's playing fully and he looks like he's getting some of his athleticism back...if it's me he's probably the one on the oline i'm thinking hard about depth wise...him jerry and garner

    egnew should make this roster barring some other teams cuts that can help us more now being brought in or a trade...i don't think if he does play this year for us he will do much barring injury to clay or sims...i would not involve him in many packages still...

    odrick on d is killing people with his lateral quickness and speed into gaps...not very evident in space at de against better athletes he's a mismatch at dt full time and looks terrific...solia also showing as advertised...

    randy starks looks a little rusty but i guess that's to be expected given the time missed...i love our dt rotation...we gonna do damage with it

    olivier vernon definitely an improved pass rushing de...last year it was all power and hand strength...showed off a nice stand up edge rush where he was able to get skinny gain the inside shoulder and explode thru for a sack...i like what i see from olivier vernon...more rush arsenal same bull strength

    boy oh boy does coyle love to blitz his new lbs...ellerbe has a knack for the snap count and having perfect timing as a rusher thru gaps on the inside...reading his keys well also

    seeing a lot of pressures bringing both lbs and safeties etc...i love it...coyle does not sit back and let the opposition dictate...he forces the ball out fast with pressure...so much different than mike nolan who depended on the front too much for pressure...

    3rd and long got a blitz pressure look defended the play well forced josh freeman to throw underneath for what should have been an easy tackle short of the sticks and a forced punt chris clemons takes a bad angle to the ball and lets mike williams free for a 14 yard conversion...got to be better than that

    josh freeman...yeesh...bucs caught us in some things they should have been able to take advantage of personnel wise but freeman was just way errant...ugly showing for a guy trying to lock up a franchise qb contract...

    forget any jimmy wilson is getting cut stuff folks...he played as a 3rd safety in some packages an coveraged the slot also in man and zone coverage with the 1's...they like his versatility...i do too...he's making the 53 and active on game day

    brent grimes fits this d damn well...he's terrific in off coverages awareness wise and driving on the football or man...

    nolan carroll i think the walrus nailed it when he said he doesn't have awareness...he can be in position all day long but he doesn't find the football...still that's your week 1 nickle boundary cb folks...i'm fine with it...

    they'll go into week 1 with grimes patterson and carroll your top 3 corners...it's a wrap...jamar taylor and will davis as the top 2 backups...only other decision they have to make is rj sanford...given the specials impact at gunner i think he makes it as the 6th corner...the rest are cut already

    at safety the top 3 are locked in it's just about whether or not they cut kelci mccray...i personally would let him go and if possible p squad him if not i would feel comfortable that if i get an injury in my top 3 he would be available...he's just not impressive enough from a sound assignment safety wise for me to keep him yet...

    only decision i see at dt is vaughn martin and or aj francis...i could see em keeping both i could see em cutting both and p squading francis or one or the other...all i know is if i was martin i would be nervous...

    backup lb hell throw a dart at a dart board...they all stink...i'm tired of talking about em...trusnick poa only spitler no instincts poor athlete freeny getting hard look on specials jenkins looks lost all the time...if they keep 3 of these guys cause of need i feel bad for whoever they cut in their place...

    saw something i really didn't like....antwan applewhite getting run in the 2 deep at de...folks that guy is here to be a pass rusher depth option period...he's not stout enough to play an every down de...he's a situational pass rusher only...the fact that he can already get run in the 2 deep given he's essentially here to provide insurance for dion jordan and he's in the 2 deep already says to me jordans medically a real concern...put it this way applewhite makes the 53 man roster you will have your answer on how long dion jordan is likely to miss...

    i am hoping like hell his nameplate is gone in a week...

    now for guys who might as well plan on a visit from the turk...josh kaddu, keenan davis, julius pruitt, kyle miller, andrew mcdonald, michael clay, julian posey, deandre pressley, tyrone culver, keelan johnson, jordan kovacs, lee robinson, tracy robertson, tristan okpalaugo, emeka onyenekuu jeff fuller come on down coach wants to see you...and bring your playbook

    i think this team also is going with no fullback which means imo javorskie lane and evan rodriguez are gone too...it's what i would do also in this o...
     
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    Rodriguez has been moved to tight end.
     
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    that guys no nfl tight end...sounds like a last ditch effort to me...like kaddu as a pass rush specialist this offseason
     
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    I'm not sure what the will decide about gray. I think he may not make the final cut. The final WR spot is also a close call to me. It does seem like they are letting mcnutt get alot of playing time not sure they are willing to give up on tyms. Bumphis not sure where the coaching staff is exactly with their evaluation of him. I think we maybe need to add a TE from whatever team has this issue like we have for the final WR spot and gets cut. I can tell you watching Freeman I think Tampa has a problem and I think they are aware of it. Talk about inaccurate he gets that description from me and not just from last night and he should be further along then thill at this point and I haven't seen it. Thursday I think comes down to the final WR RB and DL spots so that's what I will be paying particular attention to.
     
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    I really didn't see any errant throws from Tannehill. I saw him force some stuff to clay that looked designed to me..All his drops were easily catchable.
     
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    Oh and Hoops, Ellerbe is a stud.

    When you get a chance key him, Lewis definitely taught him well.
     
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    Curious to hear more specific analysis on Tyms from you. He's looked pretty solid all preseason to me. Throw in the fact that he has only one year of real D-1 ball, and last year as a PS player, and I see a player with real potential at this point. One who's worth looking past his shortcomings to this point, and giving a roster spot to. He's blown routes a few times this preseason, but he has unteachable physical skills, and is reportedly intelligent and hard working. Given his very limited experience he looks like the kind of player who can blossom from a nobody into a solid contributor.
     
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    Awesome write up. Do you think Devlin sticks this year?
     
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    Nice job hoops
     
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    missed wallace between the corner and safety soft spot on a nice read but ball overthrown...threw a ball too far inside to clay on a underneath quick hitter that admittedly clay never got separation but the ball should be placed out front away from the backside defender...threw a ball way too hot to clay off pa where he wanted to go long but the corner didn't bite on wallace checked it down to clay and thru a howlitzer...finally some would say he threw the ball too far inside to gibson on the end zone td drop but to me that ball should have been caught...and if you want to see signs of anticipation from your qb take a look at where gibby is when tanny rares back to throw and where he and the ball end up...he read that coverage beautifully and did what you have to do in the red zone...throw with anticipation...not where the guy is but where he will be...
     
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    yes...but he hasn't shown well enough where i'd be comfortable cutting matt moore and giving him the #2 job...i think devlin is viewed as tannys backup pretty soon...

    matt moore not playing could be about a lot of things...hard to say...but i don't think off what i saw from devlin against the bucs that i would feel comfortable yet with him as the #2...i didn't see enough
     
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    Kinda shocked at how bad Freeman looked. Their DT Akeem Spence looked great.

    Finally someone hits it on the head on both Gillislie and Jenkins. Both of the Gator guys are average at best.

    McNutt is good on the slants in this offense.

    Odrick looks so lively now - he's going to have a great year.

    The AFC east is there for the taking.
     
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    i don't have an argument with any of that...hell i like him...said against dallas off what i saw he was interesting...has burst can separate has long speed and uses his hands well for as raw as he is at the stem of his route...but looking around the league at the wr depth i think we can hide him...i would not keep mcnutt over him but given the way the reps went as in the timing of them that i saw i think they trust mcnutt more...

    if i kept 6 wides my last would be bump and tyms...i'd cut mcnutt...mathews would make my roster also...
     
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    NcNutt is garbage, and I think Gray gets cut.
     
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    Agreed. I thought this was a chance for him to take a step forward and didn't see it. I think that's why the coaching staff gave him extended playing time along with Clay and just didn't see either step up. Devlin's pocket awareness seems a little lacking to me at times.
     
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    essentially coverage based production...either by off coverage or db leverage...

    philbin preaches the wrs need to separate...mcnutt does not...i hope he keeps to that when he decides on his 53 man roster...mcnutt is not hard to find...a dime a dozen
     
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    McNutt Blows.
     
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    "charles clay showcased as the #1 te looked like he did last year to start the season...lackluster route running didn't sell anything and still showing he's not reading coverage well...zone drop tanny expects him to square in and sit down he continues to run the route right into the coverage luckily the defender drops what would have been an easy pick...drops a ball down the seam between defenders placed as perfectly as it could be off his front shoulder that would have been 6...the ball can't be placed any better...great read he won on the route and he just dropped a perfect throw...anyways he's your #1 te folks and of the in house options still the best one by a good margin as a pass catcher so i guess we just hope for the best..."

    Very disappointing. i think they make a move here for a vet to team with the rookie at TE. Clay has caught a grand total of 1 pass for 5 yards this preseason. He's shown nothing if you ask me .
     
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    i have no idea why people are hating on this team off the bucs game...just dumb...our 1's are damn good...defense is gonna be good vernon is gonna provide more pass rush we have corners with better awareness and ball skills this year a top strong safety...qb has weapons and will carve people up...

    hell we kicked tampas *** with the 1's other than with turnovers on specials giving them short fields...

    the only piece this team needs right now to be straight nasty on d is coyle being able to use dion jordan in it...
     
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    i think the most dissappointing player for me has been gillislee...he looks so run of the mill it's not funny...i can watch just about any preseason game and find better looking rb depth options that may come available than him...
     
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    I hope Sims gets a lot of run this week.
    Dallas Thomas can not pass protect.
    Clay did well on his inline blocks..
    Egnew makes himself look slow with his routes.

    The starting D is nasty..
    Im trying to forget we have Jordan until he pops out
     
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    whats the deal with will yeatman??? i don't recall seeing him play against the bucs...is he hurt or something???
     
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    Exactly. Tampa is supposed to be the Miami of the NFC. Young QB that's supposed to break out with a lot of offseason talent acquisitions, and we absolutely kicked their asses on both sides of the ball.
     
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    Great as usual Hoops. I agree with 99 percent. I think where I may be off is McNutt. I can't see keeping him but they sure give him a ton of looks in that Binns role so maybe you are correct.

    I also like Rodriguez for the 53.

    I would complain about Clemons' hips but that would be a broken record.
     
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    I've always liked McNutt as an Iowa fan. He was super productive again B10 corners, but I never got that warm fuzzy feeling inside (when he was coming out of college) that I did with a receiver like Denarius Moore. I'm still pissed that we didn't draft that guy.
     
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    This is true. Agree totally.

    And if he is cut, he'll be picked up right away.

    LD
     
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    There may be quite a bit of truth to that. Our successful cut block percentage is the lowest I can remember. In fact, the defender is often so far gone that it's pointless to even make the attempt. The offensive lineman dives and misses primarily so he won't be accused of dodging his responsibility entirely.

    It's like a quick nap.

    Jerry's frame still looks terrible. Hard for me to have confidence in Martin and Jerry when they don't look the part.
     
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    Egnew has all the measurement to be a Dustin Keller, But something is still off. I personally want them to give him the starting nob in the last preseason game. Further I want them to force feed him like the did with Clay.

    It's frustrating going through another season still not really knowing what exactly we have in Egnew. I personally refuse to believe the guy just can't play.
     
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    Dallas Thomas is just not a tackle and they should stop wasting all time looking at that. I'm curious whether he'd ever be a viable guard. He looks like he lacks strength at guard. Samuda may have awful technique but may still be a better prospect at guard.

    Let's hope Thomas focuses in on guard and can turn it around. Thomas, Jenkins, Gillislee, and D jones are looking like thumbs down. Sure, Jones is a 7th rounder but c'mon Thomas is a day 2 pick and anyone can see his hope is at guard.
     
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    Egnew was a guy who was always going to need time to develop into a NFL capable TE. He basically played a big WR in college, he needs to get stronger and add weight and his hands were never "sure things" but were good enough. It wasn't a great pick considering the work that needed to be done but sitting behind a guy like Keller a year after sitting behind Fasano could of only be beneficial . . . unfortunately we lost Keller and the scrutiny for Egnew will be stronger than ever.
     
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    At this point, I hope and it looks like they will be keeping him at least one more season. His blocking is not the best, But the few times I've watched him play he has done an adequate job. Right now, the coaching staff doesn't appear to be giving him a fair look with the starters. I really believe he can develop into something more than C.Clay! Also, is it me or does C.Clay look like a midget out there?He's suppose to be 6'3" but he looks really small!


    FREE EGNEW GOT_DAMMIT!!!

     
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    Dude, Tyrone Culver has not been on this team for MONTHS. :lol:
     
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    On one hand I agree with you here. On the other, I'm a bit frustrated with our uber-conservatism when it comes to Tannehill's passing. I don't know if it's Tannehill afraid to throw it unless he has a perfect shot or whether the coaches have drilled ball security into him so much he's only throwing dead certs.

    But we had receivers open in tat game where Tanny needs to let go of the ball. TB brought some blitz heat at times, which our o-line and backs dealt with well - leaving guys like Wallace, Gibson and Hartline upfield in single coverage. There HAVE to be opportunities there that you take. The redzone as a slightly different story - Gibson has to catch that ball and the shot to Clay was too hard but he should still haul it in. Even so, it was pretty tedious down there in the endzone, mirroring our very conservative moving of the chains. So many of the routes are comebacks or sideline balls where there is zero YAC potential - I'm crying out for some balls thrown to receivers in stride, preferably at least intermediate in distance.

    Solid, error-free football from Tannehill (for the most part anyway). But the obsession with ball security is a weird one. It's clearly not working for us on fumbles, special teams or our turnover ability. The only place it's working is our super-conservative passing game. Personally I'd prefer to see Tannehill have the balls/licence (whichever it is) to take a shot or two with the kind of receiver talent we have now.
     
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    He looked disinterested . . . as did Charles Clay, and that concerns me. He was slow as molasses getting off the line and a push off within 5 yards would completely knock him off his route. He got looks early in that game, he just didn't do anything with those looks. It's great that he has learned to block a little bit in the offseason but he was drafted to catch passes . . . and I just haven't seen much of anything from him in that regard.
     
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    As always, great write-up Hoops. Always enjoy reading your insight.
     
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    Hoops, what is your take on Jamar Taylor? He's looked good in his limited time, he seems very aware on the field. He's recovering well from his health issues and slowing making progress with his learning curve on defense. Do you think he is just a few weeks away from taking Carroll's job as the # 3 CB? I know there is a real good chance he'll be a starting corner someday in the future, perhaps even this season.
     
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    First, I think we should all agree by now thats just how he looks. Secondly, I'm i the only one that thinks we're just using him inappropriately? Meaning, If he's bad at something? How about we don't try to force him to do that thing?

    I understand that he may look slow as molasses get off the line. But, are you suggesting that other starting TEs lets say, A.Fasano are that much faster? I'm sure if we combs through Egnews combine #'s it would suggest he's nowhere near the bottom

    Finally, I don't know what looks you're referring too. I recorded the game and noticed he played a few snaps and was actually open on a few of them. Tannehill never looked at him and on one his sacks he completely ignored an open Egnew.





     
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    I only saw the game live, with the exception of a few quick rewinds on the DVR system and the times I noticed Egnew it was the same story. Now to be fair, I didn't key on him every time so maybe there were some times he was open but I stand by him and Clay looking disinterested in the game . . . maybe this long TC and preseason has gotten to them a bit, but it wasn't good.

    And combine numbers don't mean anything. . . Baltimore just cut 6'5" Tommy Streeter who blew the doors off the combine. Fasano did more to get open inspite of being slower, Egnew just looks like he gives up halfway into the route because somebody jammed him within the 5 yard area and threw him off. He's not the strongest guy and clearly he lacks a little up top and it has combined to effect his game. I haven't seen anything I've liked out of Egnew (outside of whats on paper) since he has gotten here and that Is just the blunt truth. Now he may survive a numbers game, as well as he should, because he was a project to begin with . . . but he hasn't done anything to give anybody any confidence that he is going to have an impact on this team this year.
     
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    ok...i was just going by the pre training camp roster list i found...thanks for setting me straight
     
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    hmmm...i'm not really sure i see evidence of a qb that lacks stones...on one of the sacks tanny took the blitz pressure is coming right over egnew he needs to hook up as he's the hot instead he continues to run down the field on his route...i don't think egnew read the assignment right....

    it looked like tanny could have took a shot on that pa he checked down after looking long at wallace but i will have to check again to see where the safety was...based on the coverage i saw gibby in the middle of the field was the right decision on many of his throws...gibby won on his routes also....take what the d gives you and take a shot when you got a chance...the ball down the seam dropped by clay on the goalline was an example of taking a shot...

    i have no issues...by the way error free football from the qb position keeps you in games when you have a d like ours...take a look at geno smiths work the other night...those kind of decisions beat you...it's not like tannehills only a care taker either...he has more to work with this year and he's throwing for more tds...
     
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    pretty much exactly what i see too...bigger body better technique as a blocker but same slow as molasses looking one speed receiving option...no burst no quick twitch...trouble getting off the los when jammed...not winning vs coverage...

    tanny barely even looked at him....there's just not much there...a fringe 53 man roster te
     
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    I tend to think it's more the paranoia over INTs than Tanny lacking the stones. I also think there's a happy medium between only taking the dead cert shots and spraying it all over the place. I thnk Tanny lacks a little bit of that vision and anticipation that puts receivers in positions to make yardage. It's something that definitely improves with experience, but if the coaches keep him on such a tight leash that he can never test his vision/improvisation abilities as plays develop, I don't see how he's going to progress in this area. You then end up with a robot.

    I'm not saying there were 20 clear cut opportunities for him, but he had a decent, clean pocket and some very good receivers and I would have expected some more impactful plays that we got to see.
     
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    I tried to key on Egnew, but didn't do so early. Started about half-way through the 2nd qtr. I wouldn't say he wasn't trying, but he seemed to struggle to get open on the few routes I saw him run. That said he was wide open in the middle of the field once in the 2nd half, but Devlin made an early read and went outside to a WR on the plays. From what I saw he was in on a lot of running plays, and played in line a fair amount, and it's from his play there that I'd say his effort wasn't lacking. He wasn't special, but he held his own as a blocker in line. I was surprised. I kept waiting for somebody to blow him up, but it never happened. I only remember one blocking play that he didn't keep after it, and his man tackled the ballcarrier. Even that wasn't a bad block, but if he had kept banging on his assignment, it would have been a long run rather than the 4-6 yd run it ended up being. IMHO just like it seemed the coaches went out of their way to feed Clay the ball, and see what he could do, I thought they emphasized trying to find out what Egnew could do in a role blocking as a traditional TE in Saturday's game. It's time to see if he can get open though. Like others I'd like to see them force him the ball on Thursday night and see what happens.
     
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    i just disagree with that pretty much across the board...in this o they want the ball out of hand quick...off pa he took looks down the field hell on the sack he took where he held it too long his eyes were vertical down the field the entire time....anticipation i see plenty of evidence of...
     
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    Exactly, his eyes were downfield for a good few seconds and he saw nothing to go for. Is that because there was nothing or because he's being overly risk-averse? It's just one play and I certainly don't have the coaches film, but to me it's indicative of tendency to play it really safe.

    I'm all for getting the ball out quick, but if you're in the pocket and you've got extended time and you're checking out your progressions - between Wallace, Hartline, Gibson and Miller underneath - somebody is open at some point enough for you to take a shot. Book it.

    I fear that his development will be stunted if he's being told to avoid any kind of risk in his shots.
     
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    it's more than the cut blocking...these guys aren't athletic enough to get to some of the things they are asked to do...one of the national beat guys was harping on it during the training camp live tweets and i think he's right...defenders line up in gaps and our guys have no shot of getting to em on some stuff...oline just not as athletic as you would like for this scheme...pouncey samuda the exceptions...clabo may have been that athletic before but he's not right now..

    jerry getting plain whooped off the ball repeatedly in line quite the eye opener also...hoping some of that was rust but i doubt it
     
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    Great run down Hoops.

    I watch some tape on the OL last night. You're spot on with Martin, I wonder is he may have been sick. It's way too late to not be in game condition, and he worked his *** off in the off season. Doesn't make sense.

    I thought Jerry and Samuda were about the same in pass protect, with Samuda a little better on the run. I have to consider the rust for Jerry, and believe he will start. I think Samuda need another year, and will start next year.

    I also thought Clabo played very well, easily the best I've seen so far.

    I did not watch the CB's on tape but, going from what I'm seeing of Patterson and Taylor, I don't see much difference now, and Taylor is gonna get better. We both said he would be starting this year. I'm starting to thing that sooner may be better than later. This allows Patterson to drop to #3 and slot coverage, and Carroll to #4, where I think we will end up as the best rotation.

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    Forgot to mention, Dallas did not look good at all, and really needs a year to develop.
     
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    I like Freeney, he's like Shelby always making an impact play when he's inserted into the lineup. :chuckle:
     
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    If we go without a FB then I would think we keep 4 RB's. and perhaps 3 TE's and 6 WR's.
     
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    I don't see 4 RB's and 6 WR's worth keeping.
     

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