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  1. hoops

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    first let's just start this sucker off with a hell yeah for a 2-0 start and 2-0 on the road...finally a season to feel good and optimistic about our chances to play in the postseason...got a real shot at if not the division win a wild card...

    ok meat and potatoes...

    first something that concerns me...this pressure package and blitzing the lbs that we do extensively puts a ton of pressure on the safeties in coverage...reshad jones blew a zone red zone coverage for a td to fleener and was also beaten by fleener off the ball on another td where clemons tried to help him late called back by a mysterious illegal shift penalty that had me puzzled...i think we got away with one there...

    anyways jones in man coverage i think will be fine...the way that jones lined up to the inside of fleener off the ball in the tight red td made him getting to a ball in that corner over the outside a difficult cover anyways and once the corner jumped the flat it was an easy read for luck and a easy 6...

    what bothers me is that chris clemons in space with tight ends who have two way goes in the middle of the field when we blitz these lbs and if the protection holds up teams are gonna do damage one on one with that matchup...case in point final drive of the game 3rd down and 10 i think it was luck drops back we blitz wheeler up the middle clean luck doesn't have time to let the play develop he's got fleener crossing clemons face luckily luck just unloads it clemons gets a hand on it in a pretty much prone position...if luck had time that's 6 points and maybe the win...

    coyle has to be careful to expose his safeties mainly clemons so much...

    an awful lot of bringing multiple lbs sacrificing one to get the other clean to the qb...we are one attacking defense...delayed blitzing lbs...overloads...dropping dts and bringing the lbs off the edge you name it we are doing it...

    not happy with the play of the de's pass rush wise...i thought wake especially would wear out whoever was put across from him...well he didn't win early much...olivier vernon if i'm being honest had an awful game...sealed to the inside in the run game to give backs soft edges to run thru and completely nullified and unable to get off one on one blocks by costanzo all game long...derrick shelby probably had the best snaps of the ends efficiency wise...

    the lack of rush pressure from the outside had us in the 2nd half using stunts running the ends into traffic and looping the dts odrick especially but by the time he got to luck the ball was gone...

    odrick was disrupting the run in the backfield a good number of times seemed to force things wide or make the back have to go east and west more than they wanted to...

    randy starks bull rushes a guard to the ground looks at the official for a flag and throws his arms out like why no call meanwhile the plays still going on...play thru the whistle then ask for the call...

    philip wheeler doesn't show great instincts vs run or pass especially in a zone drop he's got but he's a pretty good jam a guy at the los hands on guy and he showed a nice ability on that 4th down to evade the blocking rb donald brown with a quick outside move and get to luck...

    misi gets hurt for like 2 plays what do the colts do...they attack jason trusnick in coverage as soon as they get a chance...it's a good thing dominique jones isn't much of an athlete or that would have been an easy throw and catch td...good thing dwayne allen wasn't playing cause him and fleener are much more dynamic than fleener who struggles to get off the los vs press and pork chop dominique jones...we would have had some matchup problems if allen had suited up...

    dion jordan being asked to drop a lot...not much edge rush snaps...when rushing on the inside though his lateral agility feet and cod are no match for the interior olineman and he's easily able to disengage and get to the qb...had multiple hits on the qb on such plays...reviewed the famous love tap play by dj luck pump fakes just before dj is getting there no doubt in my mind now that pump fake had jordan deciding the ball was gone...although he was close enough as long as he had not gone head high he would have been ok on the qb hit and take down...

    nolan carroll a solid performance on the boundary...get that head around in vertical coverage or they will throw the flag especially when we face a crafty veteran who will try to go thru him to the ball...

    jimmy wilson with a tough matchup in the slot reggie wayne but all in all considering he's a safety playing corner i thought he showed pretty well...gets run in the red zone packages anyways cause he's a physical force safety that can cover a man and run...that tackle on bradshaw short of the goalline on what looked like a walk in td didn't read like a corner play...he lit bradshaw up

    brent grimes is just what the doctor ordered for coyles scheme...terrific off coverage drive on the football corner who explodes forward out of his pedal and arrives with the football...almost seems to bait qbs with how much he gives away the inside with his alignment to wrs but yet his instincts his awareness his route recognition are so good he can play possum and get there with almost perfect timing...in vertical coverage he gets his head around and locates the football like a wr...goes up and gets it too...on the long catch to hilton grimes is in perfect position on the play that's a tip your cap to the wr for finding a way to make a play when he had pretty much no angle...was almost walled completely out...

    anyways brent grimes is outstanding...

    rj sanford on specials catches a punt at the 20 that could have rolled for 15 more yards inside the 5...i get that you want to make a play to show you belong on the roster but that's just dumb stuff...

    marcus thigpen on returns getting out the 30 yard line repeatedly...thiggys a hell of a special teams weapon...

    on offense i've said plenty about the qb the last year plus...he's legit...24 yard over the shoulder throw to hartline down the seam due to the safety playing so deep cause of wallace...steps up against wide pressure on his throwing arm to find a wide open mike wallace on the winning td drive for what may have been a td anyways...

    i'd still like to see him climb the pocket more vs wide pressure to help his tackles who can struggle with edge rush speed...will give himself time and space to work in...but he dices up defenses with his terrific pre and post snap reads...and he takes care of the football...reads coverage like a 5 plus year vet...so much growth potential still...still needs work on his hurry up 2 minute offense too much time between snaps but it will come with repitition...put us in position for a game tying 54 yard fg at the half...

    3rd and 1 to clutts in the flat when he should have come off it to his 2nd read and had wallace on a shallow crosser that could have produced rac...

    up front pouncey and cog playing well...pouncey just so athletic when pulling gets to the 2nd level or around the edge with ease...said enough about that guy...he's imo the best center in the league

    oh boy tyson clabo...lack of athleticism and knee bend showed ugly in this one...nice kick out block on the screen pass td to wallace but beaten repeatedly and early in pass pro...worse play by far a 3 man rush 8 drop whooped off the ball barely even got out of his stance before mathis was hitting tannehill for a sack forced fumble...won't be long with clabo...only so long a guy can get by on craftiness and smarts...damn glad it's a one year deal

    jon martin walked back into the qb once or twice but all in all i thought a pretty solid effort...john jerry not bad also...at least not any beaten off the ball quick pressure up the middle from jerrys man...

    run game more effective primarily cause of the left side of the oline mainly pouncey and cog...that and the colts don't have the most physical or stout interior oline or front for that matter

    in pass pro tannehill was let down by miller and daniel thomas...one a forced fumble hit on the throwing arm turnover the other a pressure up the middle sack...d thomas ran thru contact well and caught the ball and lamar miller was solid but i need to see more run thru contact on the inside from him...miller also missed some things where he could have cut some wide runs back up inside on the perimeter...but he did make a really nice bounce read on his 10 yard td...and would have scored on the 14 yard run around the corner if not for a nice tackle by landry...

    surprised we didn't go with more 3 wr sets with the slot early in the game...felt like we could do good work with gibson in the middle of the field but it seemed like we made a concentrated effort to get mike wallace more involved this week with screen passes and ran with more 2 wr sets than i expected early on...wallace will get his...keeps the safeties deep or shaded to his side allowing clay and hartline to do work...

    speaking of clay hell of a game from that guy...i thought his blocking was solid he read the coverage well and gave tannehill a nice target...he's stepping up and filling dustin kellers shoes...much needed fill from that guy too...

    hey a michael egnew sighting...actually ran some routes...didn't show much on them but had a nice block on the edge on the miller nice read of the safety clean on the inside bounce outside to the corner for the td...

    shocked no naked bootleg runs in short yardage or late in the game vs the colts...really shocked...i thought that would be a definite off the raiders game showing from the colts...also surprised we haven't much moved the pocket or rolled out to help these tackles out in pass pro some...

    i loved the statement first down at the end of the game...luck and the colts are over there preparing like they are gonna get the ball back and we run on 3rd and 8 for a first down right down their rear ends...sit down and give your helmet to the equipment guys ha ha

    philbin with a nice challenge of the jones drop called a catch before the colts could line up and quick snap it...his clock management and in game handling is night and day better than sparanos that's for damn sure...

    2-0 and headed home for 2 of the next 3...already did what we had to do to compete for the postseason by winning 2 by the bye week...no reason we can't win each of the next 3 either off what i see...

    let's go...we have arrived
     
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    Thanks as always.
     
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    can anybody else on this team start at right tackle. I thought clabo was THAT bad
     
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    Trusnick knocked the ball out of the hands of the colts FB...
     
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    Excellent work hoops.

    Question about your last conment ... Do you really think our d can handle atlantas weapons? 2 top WR's a hof TE and a decent power rb is a tall ask.

    I really like our D but I just wonder can we contain that much offensive power? I guess if Patterson is healthly then we stand a chance but its a real worry for me and im interested in your take
     
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    great writeup hoops, thank you
     
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    we respected their deep speed a lot. we played a lot of off coverage. gave them a lot of underneath stuff for free. oh well, we made them go the long way and didn't give up the big play (with one exception). in the end it worked. no long TD's. only 2 for 4 in the red zone

    hate to say it, but Tyson Clabo has been shades of Marc Colombo
     
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    have you watched Rodney white this year, ouch that injury is killing him
     
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    Great stuff. Totally agree on Grimes. I've loved that move since before it happened. Lock him up.

    Carroll was absolutely crucual. Came up big.

    Man, if Clemons could catch the ball, it would add another dimension. With the way the ball gets funnelled to him and the pressure the front 7 exerts, he could get 7 picks a year. But even with his hands of stone and stiff hips, I admit he is much better of a player than I thought he'd be. But if that were a playmaker there, this defense would be even damn scarier.

    Reshad needs to pick it up a bit.

    I wish we had better backup options at LB. I suppose I agree that Trusnik in the end did make a play, but too close for comfort. He's just stiff.

    Shelby is very under-rated. Really good rotational guy, even though he wasn't drafted. This is why you don't bail on back end of the roster guys prematurely. He's coming along nicely.

    As for OV, I know he hasn't graded well yet, but I think he will contribute soon.

    I thought Jerry did fine in pass pro but not in run game but I didn't watch it a second time yet. I'm definitely intrigued to get a look at Danny Watkins who coaches say is picking up the scheme ok.

    Clabo has been a surprise to the downside. I thought he'd be better in pass pro. He keeps this mess up and I might get curious what Garner looks like out there.
     
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    nice job hoops.

    quick questions for you..

    cant' remember which quarter it was but I thought I saw vernon do a good job stringing out one of the only outside rushed I remember bradshaw having. looked like OV kept it, or at least helped keep it from getting it too far outside. maybe I'm wrong, just wondering if he was ok on that play, as I though initially it failed because he was able to force it, and wait for the troops to arrive.

    secondly, what would be your plan of attack for Juilo Jones... I am thinking we almost have to double team this kid to have a chance. Not worried about them running on us, and white is obviously banged up. I think we stop JJ, we win.. so what would be your gameplan.

    nice writeup. I like how you touch on a little bit of everything, and damn near EVERYONE!! 5 star thread.
     
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    Always impressed by your analysis hoops. Pretty obvious that Clabo can't handle the speed rushers (he looked like the Cleveland RT against Wake last week), but how's he been doing in run blocking? Obviously everyone probably gets an F in that department for the Cleveland game, but then again, Ray Rice couldn't get anything done against them either. I think it's a testament to how good that front 3 of the Browns is. Even John Jerry held is own this week.
     
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    Welcome to the party Hoops!!! I was waiting for your weekly post game rundown. Clay had a statement game, but, could have had an even bigger game had he held on to those few drops he had. I can't say enough about the 2nd half adjustment's the defensive coaches made against the Colts. I like what I saw from both Carroll and Wilson. They stepped up, at least for this game. Tannehill is blossoming right before our eyes. That over the shoulder pass to Hartline was a thing of beauty. This years passing game is so much better than 2012. I love how they spread the ball around. I was upset with the play of Clabo, I'd be looking for an upgrade in the off season.
     
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    Slammed the door shut on any miracle Luck ending. Loved it.
     
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    The 3rd and 1 pass to the FB was easily the worst play of the game by Tannehill. If I were rating it by PFF standards, I'd give it a -2. Not a lot of pressure; Wallace was wide open; and even if the FB catches the pass, he's going to be tackled short. Horrendous play.
     
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    I think it may be more about can we MATCH that kind of firepower. I like our D's chances to hold them to lets say 24-27 points, I'm more concerned about the offense keeping up. I don't like our chances on getting many TO's against such a well coached, experienced and talented offense, so the offense will likely have to make consistent long drives this game if we want to win. Wake MUST play better next week or we will lose, we need him to get consistent pressure on Ryan.
     
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    Regarding the Clemons whiff at the interception, if you look at that play again he started his momentum to the right to run with fleener when ball was thrown to his left. Not an easy pick that's for sure so I can't blame him on that one. It wasn't like he was standing still and ball hit him in his hands.
     
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    Just a little tid-bit on the illegal shift. The flag was thrown because Reggie didn't properly set himself BEFORE the shift, not after. Was the correct call. Hats off to you fellas was an incredible game.
     
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    that's true...but to my eye he has a bad angle to fleener even after he starts sliding to the right...if luck has time he can wait for fleener to separate crossing clemons face and it's an easy td...as it was luck didn't want to take the sack and couldn't wait and got rid of it...

    i mean we take chances to get pressure but if wheeler doesn't get there i'm betting money that's a td and we need 3 to tie...

    someone else said this defense funnels the ball to the free safety a lot and i agree with that...nothing against clemons but you want to hide him in coverage as much as possible...teams will scheme to get after him if you expose him too much...a high end ballhawk and instincts safety would have a bunch of picks in this defense...
     
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    That throw to Clay in the first quarter that went for 60+ was beautiful. Threaded it in between two Indy defenders. Amazing stuff.
     
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    Didn't like the QB sneaks. Especially the fourth down and too long for a sneak. Love the way RT presnap reads but sometimes I think we give away big plays because we don't let our wideouts win matchups because the throw is predetermined. Still think we have the go coconservative not lose it mentality. But that just seems to be the way with most of the league. Because the Colts did that a little yyesterday. ****ing hate this phone's need to edit and trash everything.
     
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    exactly...that play had no shot by the coverage come off of it to your 2nd read...
     
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    so he had to be set for a full second prior to the going in motion and he did not do that??? hmmm...ok...cause what i saw after the shift looked perfectly legal to me
     
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    it's headed that way...we may get by this year but i would not be depending on him going forward...only difference i see b/t him and colombo at the tail end is clabo hasn't had the injuries to his legs that would have had he had them already put him out of the league...unlike colombo by the time he got here...

    one thing though...tannehill is setting up after his drop very deep sometimes...i don't get why he doesn't take a few steps forward to help his tackles out...some of these plays our tackles would be driving the outside rusher wide and behind tannehill but not if he doesn't step up...

    someone asked about clabo as a run blocker...he looks like just a guy...very limited athletically movement wise laterally...i think miami is in the market for a tackle this offseason...and i think it's to replace clabo...it's possible will yeatman is ready next year...but i dont see how unless he plays and shows well this year they can depend on him
     
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    can yeatman play RT?
     
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    I'm not sure if you have to bet set for a certain time or not, but his set before the shift was not proper(Looked kind of like a skip to the line then an immediate shift off of memory).
     
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    yeah i thought was terrific stuff too...but the alignment of the safety to the outside and the placement of the throw had me wondering...i don't really think he was throwing back shoulder the outside safety was coming from the outside...the ball didn't really hit clay on the outside...i think it was more he saw the safety and thought he had time off the alignmnt to get it to clay before the safety could get there and he was right...

    anyways it was a big play...i'd be interested in hearing tannehills take on what he saw and why he threw it like he did...that safety was jumping it to the inside...

    one things for sure though...the seams are open down the field cause the safeties and dcs are so worried about mike wallace beating them over the top
     
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    thanks hoops, whats ur gameplan for Atlanta?
     
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    Reshad Jones is an overstated player who benefits tremendously from the pass rush. When it's not there and he's forced into coverage, he's going to struggle. Frankly, he was fortunate yesterday that it was only a few times. If we traded him to a team with a moderate or below average pass rush, their fans would be up in arms after a handful of games, wondering how in the world they got suckered so badly.

    The good news is the pass rush was only temporarily absent. You don't get the same team every week. A road game after a road victory is a negative situational scenario, almost guaranteeing less ferocity than if we've lost to the Browns. I mentioned last week that it would be very difficult for the defense to maintain intensity level. Too many posters were ignoring the situational deficit and projecting multiple sacks and dominance from Wake and everyone else, based on how the Colts offensive line struggled against the Raiders. The talent level in the pros is tight enough for situational factors to counter apparent gaps in ability.

    This week in a home opener the defense will be incredibly energized to begin the game. Now, Ryan and Co. are talented enough to slip some plays beyond us, even if we are playing at max effort. But you'll see Wake more similar to week one, and so forth.

    It's the reason I like to bet first halves. I can project the intensity level to open the game but how long it will last is the wild card. Like that game hosting the Saints a few years ago when they were unbeaten. Many situational factors favored the Dolphins but the Saints managed to persevere and overcome them late, thanks to some breaks.

    I still don't understand the rush to sign Reshad Jones to that extension. Even though we are 2-0, his value is no higher if not somewhat lower. And that's the way it figured to go, given our schedule. There was no reason not to sample the first 5 or 6 games against all the premier quarterbacks before approaching that contract issue. Poor poker playing instincts by Ireland.

    Of course, Jones has big play capability and can make one at any time. He's overrated partially due to those plays, IMO, since we haven't had a playmaker in so long.

    In the history of the franchise we've had clod unathletic types at right tackle. Clabo merely joins the club. Carey was maybe the best athlete we've had there but he was seldom in shape to display it. Giesler was a moderate athlete. Todd Wade was decent. I'll probably be waiting forever for us to find a guy at that position who can actually move and hit and pass protect. At this point the stretch plays need to go left, and the front office needs to recognize that Clabo is a one-year stop gap. But he is markedly superior to Columbo.

    We have avoided the 3rd down screen passes. That has quietly gone unnoticed. Those are drive killers. The Colts actually tried one yesterday and we appropriately blew it up. But we're still too light in the decisive pegs off play action. Yesterday there was one terrific one, late third quarter near midfield when Tannehill wheeled off play action and hit a 20 yard dart over the middle into Colts territory. Those plays should be a staple of our offense, at least 5-6 times per game. Tannehill is at his best on that type of design. Plus there are countless offshoots.
     
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    I completely agree that the 3rd and 1 pass was our worst formation and play call of the game. I wanted to scream. Notice how tight the fullback and tailback were to the line of scrimmage. They were at least 2 yards closer than the norm for this era. In fact, it looked more akin to our early '70s formations.

    In this day and age, when the I formation is set that tight to the line of scrimmage on a short yardage play it's a comical tipoff that the coach is pass happy and doesn't really want to run the ball but he thinks he's supposed to line up that way as a disguise. Watch South Carolina with Spurrier. They line up exactly the same way in short yardage. Of course, they got away with it with Lattimore. But it's still a ridiculous petrified design. The confident power teams line up in standard sets, with the tailback 7 yards deep.

    Remember when we were dominant on 3rd or 4th and 1 not too many years ago? We abused the quick trap play with Polite. For two years I didn't have to worry about what play we'd run, or whether we'd make it. Guaranteed. The only variable was whether it would be a straight handoff or off a spin fake from the quarterback. That brief time frame was the only time I've been confident in short yardage since the late '70s. Well, for a while with Stephenson at center we ran the same type of trap play with either Andre Franklin or Woody Bennett but it wasn't as dependably used as a few years ago. Too often Marino would get cute.

    These days we're so scared of short yardage we either line up in a pure shotgun or a reluctant run set. And our results have been awful. Running the ball equates to a higher percentage of success than passing on those short yardage plays but Philbin doesn't seem to have any clue. He got lazy via fantastic quarterback like Rodgers. Tannehill can't relax and scan the field on those plays like Rodgers, varying the pace and loft to fit the requirement of the evolving play. If our original design isn't there, we're stuck with a line drive incompletion.

    The motion penalty on Reggie Wayne may have been legit but that doesn't mean it wasn't incredibly fortunate. Before or after going in motion he's not going to make that error 1 time in 100. I hope that wasn't an exaggeration. I don't like happy adjustments. I'm confident in 1 in 100.
     
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    How often do players sign extensions at the 6 game point though?
     
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    Complaining about Ireland for the Jones deal is just a clear sign of having a very deep agenda against the man.
     
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    Sounds like Starks may be just going through the motions and auditioning for his new team. Thats a big issue if true because we need every player in the locker room to want to win a CHAMPIONSHIP with THIS TEAM this year.
     
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    Thanks Hoops. I forgot about that play that Jimmy Wilson made on Bradshaw. Great play.

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    awsis takes are always interesting but reshad jones can play strong safety for me any day... he's worth his contract to me...he likely won't finish in front of grimes in ints this year cause you test grimes you play with fire but i bet he finishes 2013 second in picks and forces a few fumbles..

    there's plenty more bad qbs on the schedule who will force some things due to pressure into coverage
     
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    Nah, I was hoping we waited til the season was over, too. If you paid attention to last season Reshad Jones made many nice highlight plays but also was a liability in coverage at times. We saw it on a couple occasions on Sunday. Still a very good player, but he got a big contract based on one really good year, lets hope he can continue to grow (seems a bit reckless so far).
     
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    let me take a look at atlantas last game and i'll see where i think there are weaknesses we can exploit or ways to limit the offense...
     
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    Reshad Jones finds himself out of position at times, but this was against a team that was dialing up the deep plays. He's a guy that covers the underneath stuff well and plays the run great. I have no problem with the contract extension, especially considering the amount they gave him.
     
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    I think we all knew based on his play 2 years ago that coverage isn't one of Reshad Jones's biggest strengths. But you move him around and let him do different things and he's pretty good.
     
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    Great summary Hoops, enjoyed reading it.
     
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    I disagree about your comment on phillip wheeler scoops, he does have good insticts and was all over the place this game. What do you base this off of?
     

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