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This isn't the Texas A&M game that I was talking about (I was talking about the 2012 game) but this is still relevant as Margus was at this point a junior whereas Jake Matthews and Luke Joeckel were sophomores.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGBBKibXTrs

Margus Hunt has always been very physically impressive. It shows in all the blocked kicks he has under his belt. But in the NFL he'll run into guys that are physically impressive AND have good hand technique, awareness, pad level, knee bend, flexibility and balance. I'm not sure yet he's going to develop those things, especially the flexibility and balance. He can get and already has gotten better with his hands, more brutal, very strong and knocks people back a lot...but I don't know that he's got the flexibility or awareness to finish plays.
 
i watched that a & m game also and yeah he did nothing...i think that was a yea ago also and i think he's a better football player now...imo his best footballs in front of him...and lets face it those a & m tackles are legit...he got moved out of the hole and off the ball all over the place...but hey mingo and montgomery looked bad against those a & m tackles this year also

as for the odrick thing i meant when he's kicked inside in the nickle i'd be inclined to give hunt those edge rush reps opposite wake...i just think edge wise he's got an awful lot going for him
 
i can understand the flexibility and awareness argument...flexibility wise i've seen him be dead to rights closing on the qb and for whatever reason the slightest movement that makes him have to open his hips and change course and it seems like he's always reaching for guys and barely touching them etc and these aren't high end elusive athletes either...i think if he's got you in a confined space he'll finish if you however have ground to make moves he's in trouble...he'll flush you he may not finish though unless you're bottled up

i can see the concerns but you know if he doesn't pan out just like any other guy i'll cut him in a few years...not like the cap would kill me either way...i'm just betting on the edge rush abilities and i believe on 3rd down he can split some things on the inside if kicked in there and finish
 
The Senior Bowl will be a good test. He's so big and strong and brutal he's a guy you want to like, but as I said before...something missing.
 
Nice to get a final look at Travis Kelce, Connor Vernon and Sean Renfree tonight. Think Camerron Cheatham may be worth keeping an eye on although he appears to not be covering Vernon.
 
Re: Margus

I think what's missing is just experience. When his job isn't to rush the passer, he kind of goes into a "crane up and observe" mode. He'll get really high and look at what's happening before taking an action instead of just flowing naturally, by instinct, to the play. Best case is he turns into the Estonian version of Jason Pierre-Paul-- a freakish, but totally raw athlete. Worst case is he replaces Tony McDaniel on the roster for depth while making solid ST contributions like Olivier Vernon did this season.

Hopefully teams will shy away from picking him after seeing the limitations of Dontari Poe's impact on the Chiefs. But, like Poe, I can see Hunt shooting up the boards and I'm afraid for our chances to pick him up since he'll probably have a similarly meteoric rise after he blows up the combine.

Margus has incredible explosion, length, and balance-- three things that translate well to the position. Though they canned the track team because of Title 9 rules, SMU had the best throwers in the country at the time. Don't underestimate him just because he comes from a track background. They're all freak athletes with speed, flexibility, and they were all bull strong to boot.

That said, I'm looking forward to the Senior Bowl. :)
 
If he is admittedly so far behind everyone else in the Draft...and he's 26 years old...how long does he realistically have to catch up?
 
vernon looks like a mid to late round guy to me that could surprise or could be out of the league or making his living on specials in a few...don't see anything high end there...ceiling to me as a prospect is a #3 wr type stuff...we got plenty of them...as such i pass...but i also won't put it past him making a pretty good living in the pros...just doesn't do enough for me for what miami needs....

didn't see much from renfree that pick he threw into coverage down the sideline was a ghastly decision...just can't throw that against that coverage...should have come off that given that safety leverage presnap...

margus huntsn age means instead of having to jump on that with your high 2nd rounder if he's a target you can probably get that a little later like late round 3 or maybe even round 4...if he was a target at that age though i wouldn't personally wait past that late 3rd rounder...i think about then is when the age won't matter anymore...if he blows the doors off the senior bowl in reps and looks like he does off the edge on college tape all bets are off
 
central michigan ot eric fisher is a 1st round talent offensive tackle...i don't see terrific feet for the left side in pass pro...his kick slide looks a little labored to me at times...feet remind me of jake long in a lot of ways...he's murder in the run game showing off terrific upper body and hand strength he moves guys off the ball routinely...funny thing is while i don't see great feet i do see outstanding ability to pull and get to the 2nd level in a hurry and he'll make solid sustained contact...at times he can drop his head when asked to move block and as such get off balance and go to ground but he looks like a real athlete and moves very well down the field...in pass pro i see a tendency at times to let the defender dictate the contact and to wait on guys and that's fine provided he doesn't get so upright off the snap i see some tendency to get vertical in pass pro and as such guys get under his pad level but he shows off a nice ability to recover and anchor and sit down vs get pushed straight back into the qb...

i don't think i'd take him over jake matthews who i think is a terrific zbs fit and fisher might be a better fit for a power scheme but i do think he's a top 25 worthy selection in the upcoming draft...and a likely day 1 starting tackle...feet may though mean he's more a right tackle fit down the road...
 
Just a side note for Hoops CK and Slim..........thanks for all your input guy's keep up the great work.
 
I see a lot of posters talking about Bacarri Rambo as a must-have player from the draft to replace Clemons, and then they mock him to the third/fourth. I haven't seen anything on him, so I'm not sure which to believe. Is he a must-have/immediate starter over CC, or is he a mid-round prospect with some flaws?

Of course, I'm sure there are those that would argue that a mid-round prospect with flaws beats Clemons hands down... :deadhorse:
 
JakeMcAwful said:
I see a lot of posters talking about Bacarri Rambo as a must-have player from the draft to replace Clemons, and then they mock him to the third/fourth. I haven't seen anything on him, so I'm not sure which to believe. Is he a must-have/immediate starter over CC, or is he a mid-round prospect with some flaws?

Of course, I'm sure there are those that would argue that a mid-round prospect with flaws beats Clemons hands down... :deadhorse:
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Well, we are talking about Chris Clemmons.
 
alex okafor showing well tonight as a pass rusher...helping me feel more and more confident about why i like him off the edge in the pros as a top 50 guy...doesn't wow you with anything tools wise but just something about him i think will make him a solid producer in the pros...can't even put my finger on it...not a great get off not great acceleration or burst after the initial step but just very effective...

that said in the run game i think he's a guy that gets moved out of the hole at the poa too much...not stout enough...maybe some of that is he's in such a hurry to get upfield he forgets about contain responsibilities vs the run but i see him giving huge lanes in the b gap for backs to just run right into too much...i'd say at least initially i'd use him sparingly in a rotation on early downs and get him on the field on 3rd down as a pass rush specialist...it's weird i'm usually all about pass rush physical tools when it comes to who i like and this kid doesn't have elite anything but he just keeps showing me something every time i watch texas play...
 
Hey guys, I'm wondering what your take on Logan Ryan from Rutgers is. I've watched a few Rutgers games this year and he has me intruiged. I recently did a mock while bored at work and mocked us taking Jonathan Banks. However, I've watched some more film on Ryan and feel like he could be a solid pick in the early part of the 2nd round. From a Corner perspective, I feel like he's a better cover corner than guys like Xavier Rhodes and David Amerson, maybe even a better cover corner than Banks. Unless Milliner falls to the 12th spot, if Ryan is there for our 1st pick in the 2nd round I think that would be a great pick. Someone who can make an immediate impact to our secondary. 6' 190-195lbs. Runs around 4.44. KB maybe you could put him in your draft prospects thread.
 
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