How bad are Crowder's knees?

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  1. phinfan2003

    phinfan2003 Perennial All-Pro

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    They way Kiper described the condition of Crowder's knees, he made it sound like it would be a miracle if he could even play at all. Does anybody have any insight into this?
     
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    Pretty bad, from the reports.
     
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    He got a letter from his doctor saying that his knees are fine. He's had four surgeries on his knees, so there are some questions.

    However, based on ability alone, this guy is the best linebacker in the draft. Go look at my top 32, and you will see that I had him as the 13th best player period.
     
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    This was a defensive move in more than one way. I am very sure that New England was prepared to select the guy at the end of the third round if we did not get him, and New England wouldn't care if he's only got a 5 year career ahead of him, because they need help in 2005 with Bruschi probably out for the year.

    Channing Crowder would have been dangerous as a Patriot. We stole him from them.
     
  5. phunwin

    phunwin The name's Bond...James Bond.

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    Well, Crowder was a near-certain first round pick before the medical reports came out. Some teams took him off their board entirely, but there was still, from what I heard, a lot of interest in late round 2/early round 3. Kiper's talk about him being a second day pick was silly, given his huge upside.
    Crowder's a boom or bust pick, there's no getting around it. He's either going to be a star, or he's out of the NFL in two or three years.
     
  6. phinfan2003

    phinfan2003 Perennial All-Pro

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    You're a Gator fan right? If you are, did you make this assessment keeping in mind his physical condition and without a Gator Goggles? I'm just asking cuz I''m trying to get an objective scoop.
     
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    NFLDraftCountdown has him as the best ILB in the draft.
     
  8. infiltrateib

    infiltrateib TV Doctor

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    Regarding his injuries, Channing was recently examined by doctor James Andrews, who had this to say about Channing's knees."Both knees are stable at this time with no evidence of any degenerative changes. There is no reason this young man cannot continue to play football, even at the highest level, with the current status of his knees. I feel confident the patient is not at any increased risk of having additional ACL tears."

    Regarding this doctor, James Andrews (I researched whether this guy was a paid quack and found this on an independent site, not the one with that report):

    Dr. James Andrews is the Co-Founder of the Alabama Sports Medicine and Orthopaedic Center, the medical director for numerous sports teams, and a leading pioneer in sports medicine. He is widely recognized for his role in advancing the field of knee, shoulder and elbow surgery. He has mentored over 125 fellows throughout the course of his academic career, and is considered one of the foremost orthopaedic surgeons and sports doctors in the world. Over the course of his career, he has operated on a remarkable number of prominent athletes, including Troy Aikman, Roger Clemens, and Jack Nicklaus.
     
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    he was 18 and replaced his acl with a transplant....but he had surgery on both knees
    he has been healthy since sitting out 2002.

    if he stays healthy he is a ray lewis type.....good in coverage and a smash mouth hitter...like a saftey in the short range coverage ..........would of gone 1st rnd if he wasn't in a bar fight.....but saban tried to recruit him and knows him well!
     
  10. KB21

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    No. I'm a Mississippi State fan.
     
  11. Danny1339

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    Man where's Boomer when you need some info on a guy?
     
  12. phinfan2003

    phinfan2003 Perennial All-Pro

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    Oh OK. I must have you confused w/ someone else who was in love w/ Spurrier and the Gators.
     
  13. cuban_refugee

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    ACL injuries you can recover from and return to full form. It's more the off-field troubles i'm worried about. Remember Cecil Collins, Lawrence Phillips, Demetrius Underwood - we gambled -we lost!
     
  14. GRT8

    GRT8 DOLPHIN FAN SINCE 1970

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    i don't know about 13th best overall.....be he has a huge upside ...but still has to play more.....very smart guy though....3.5 gpa
     
  15. Danny

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    Well, I just hope he doesn't stabb anyone(RL...lol)but he's the best ILB on this draft and if Nick can keep him on line and stays healthy, we got ourself this year's Poole, only he's got even more talent.

    Ozzy rules!!
     
  16. cuban_refugee

    cuban_refugee Football On My Mind 24 Hrs Per Day

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    I know of Dr. Andrews and he is an incredible surgeon. I am a physical therapist and did some work in Birmingham with some of his patients.
     
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    Heres the breakdown on Channing Crowder:

    Overall: Crowder was only a sophomore but he is eligible for the 2005 draft because he took a year off after graduating from high school to rehabilitate a knee injury. Crowder completed his career with 179 tackles, 13.5 of which were for a loss. He also had two sacks, recovered three fumbles, forced two fumbles and had one interception. In 2003, he led the nation in tackles by a freshman with 106. In 2004, Crowder played in nine games and finished third on the squad in tackles with 73. He has had trouble staying healthy -- knee injury in high school and arch injury that cost him playing time in 2004. He also has had problems staying out of trouble off of the field  served one-game suspensions in season openers of the 2003 and 2004 seasons due to separate altercations outside of a Gainesville night club. Overall, Crowder would have been better served returning to Florida for the 2005 season because he could have used the extra year to improve his bulk, lower-body strength, recognition skills and flexibility. A full season of keeping his nose clean off the field and staying healthy enough to play every game also would have helped to answer character and durability questions. However, despite those red flags, Crowder is still a gifted athlete with the frame to get bigger and a powerful striker as a tackler. He also possesses the athleticism to become an impact starter as an every-down inside linebacker in the NFL. Crowder is by no means a complete prospect yet but he has enough upside to gamble on late in the first round.
     
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    I go to UF so I think I can help. From what I have seen, Crowder is good in passing situations put not that great when it comes to stopping the run. I have seen him miss tons of tackles. You guys can just like at pass Gator games to see him miss tackles. I think he can cover some of the best TE's in the NFL like Shockey, Gonzalez and Heap. He is twice as fast as Thomas, so he can make stops pending he don't take a bad angle and miss the tackle. The biggest knack I have with him is that he is not a sure tackler.

    As fas as his knees are concerned, I haven't heard much about his knees being as bad as they were saying on ESPN. I know he missed a couple of games last season. But it didn't seem that serious. Just one of the usual injuries football players have.
     
  19. sask rider

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    when did he run his 4.7x for the 40?

    this year's combine? post most recent surgery?

    kiper made it sound like he can't walk let alone run - so im wondering.

    thanks.
     
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    What was the compensation we gave up for Lawrence Phillips and Demetrius Underwood .... exactly! It's not really a gamble if it doesn't cost you anything. Channing isn't anywhere near the level the three names you mentioned in terms of off field issues. All 3 of those guys had SERIOUS mental issues.
     
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    I dont like players with character and injury prone histories but in this case its a worthwhile risk given the spot we are drafting him.It seems all of the top bad character players like Incognito,Henry and Crowder were bunched together.
     
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    has first round ability but with free-agent knees and character...total *** off the field ..repeated fights in gainsville
     
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    I've got a good feeling about this draft!

    Trust Saban...
     
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    Sporting News had that quote about the Doctor saying Crowder is fine to play football...they even had him going 32nd overall to NE in their mock.
     
  25. cuban_refugee

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    You might be right. Would you have preferred a QB at this pick?
     
  26. Mr Fan

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    Channing is a major hitter and playmaker. He arrives at the ball carrier with a serious attitude and the intention (by some reports) to hurt the ball carrier.

    Sounds like a nice pick up for an ILB/MLB.
     
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    No, I'm happy with Cowder.
     
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    I wouldnt worry about his character because Saban will get Crowder's act together real fast.
     
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    phinfan2003 Perennial All-Pro

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    What I find odd is how Saban was talking about drafting good football players and high character people. The way so many of the posters describe his character, he sounds like an a@@hole and doesn't really follow the good football player/high character person.
     
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    Channing Crowder has been healthy in Florida. It was when he was in High School that I think he hurt himself. He has gotten into some fights in college, but I think Roth has as well.

    Dr. James Andrews is a frikkin' genius. I am surprised there are sports fans out there who have never heard of him. He basically does every shoulder and knee surgery in sports. Baseball, Football, Basketball, wrestling,, everyone. He is in a class by himself and is widely considered to be the best. If he says he is ok, than the man is ok.

    I like the pick. think about this, At any given time we now have the following people to lineup at LB:

    Thomas, Seau, Taylor, Bowens, Roth, Spragan, Crowder, Pope, Moore, Ayanbadejo.

    Saban has gotten us depth and young players on defense who can take over when the Thomas's, Taylor's, Carter's and the like are let go in a few years.
     
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    This is what I said about Crowder when I wrote my top 32 list for this site.

    IMO, two of the biggest sleepers in this draft are two players with knee problems. Channing Crowder and Frank Gore are fantastic picks in the third round, IMO. The upside for both is tremendous.
     
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    James Andrews is the top sports medicine surgeon in the country. If he says Crowder is OK, Crowder is OK.
     
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    he should be fine until his late 30's then OA is a worry, by then he will be retired
     
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    No offense to Boomer, but you aren't going to get anything better than that quote from James Andrews.

    Andrews is as good as they come when it comes to sports medicine. He is among the top 5 doctors in the U.S. that players go to for surgery.

    If he and, I presume, the Dolphin doctors signed off on him, I'm good with it.

    Another factor is that Crowder showed his ability AFTER the knee injuries. If he lasts 4-5 years and can play at a high level - he's worth the 3rd rounder.
     
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    You know what's really interesting about this?

    Gore's speed & production really slowed down after his knee injuries; whereas Crowder's knee injuries came BEFORE all his great play on the field (evidencing that they did not impact his play).

    Yet, here's the kicker, the ESPN Guru's raved over the Gore pick in round 3, but were lukewarm, at best, over the Crowder pick. Bias?
     
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    Let me give you the scoop from a Gator fan who watches every single gator game every single year. Every game Crowder played he was kicking everyones A** all over the field and he is a leader. He gets everyone fired up. The games he missed, teams would run the ball on the gators. He left school early because he got in too many fights and would get into trouble from time to time. He's mean.
     
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    He's got Ray Lewis's rage inside him.
     
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    hasn't had a major injury since high school...i'm not worried about it. if he does get injured it won't be because of whatevr happened to him in the past
     
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    I'm a Gator and I didn't want him. At least we kept him out of Belichick's hands.

    Too much of a troublemaker.
     
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    Good work! Thanks for the research. I liked Crowder before reading this, but I love him now. If he stays healthy, he'll be a star.
     

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