How the NFL screws Dolphin fans and the Dolphin orginzation.

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  1. BigCityCat

    BigCityCat Scout Team

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    I contacted Jerry Green here in Orlando about why the Jags get broadcast rights in central Florida and this is the answer I got.

    "The deal is that years ago the Jags asked to make Daytona/Orlando an official "secondary area" for the team and the NFL granted that. As such, the NFL TV agreement says that any station in a secondary area that carries the appropriate conference must show the team’s road games. So whenever the Jags are on the road, WKMG must make them the first choice over the Dolphins. WKMG has wanted to change that forever but it’s network doesn’t bother to fight for it, so it never changes. The local guys are not to blame."

    I think the NFL probably has some sort of scam worked out with directv to screw central Florida Dolphin fans out of money for the Sunday Ticket. We are probably their best market in terms of NFL Sunday ticket sales.

    I contacted the NFL about this but I haven't received a response yet. The Dolphins are far more popular here in Orlando and have been the team of choice in this area for years, but that doesn't seem to be as important as the all mighty dollar.
     
  2. dlockz

    dlockz Hall Of Famer

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    Im in the same dilemma and it sucks lol
     
  3. SuperMarksBros.

    SuperMarksBros. Formerly Fiedler for MVP

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    The Jags are a playoff team. The Dolphins were (barely) 1-15. Its not a conspiracy.
     
  4. Geforce

    Geforce FinHeaven VIP

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    This has nothing to do with last year's won-lost record and more to do with the NFL allowing and granting the then expansion Jacksonville Jaguars to name Orlando as their secondary market.
     
  5. Bonedoc7777

    Bonedoc7777 Perennial All-Pro

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    you should get the game on direct tv package right?
     
  6. thejetssuck

    thejetssuck Seasoned Veteran

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    I don't think that is the point he is trying to make. His reasoning is that he shouldn't have to buy nfl sunday ticket because of where he lives. I very much agree with him, it is a bunch of crap.
     
  7. maverick50

    maverick50 the top gun of all fin fans

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    wouldnt it be benefical to get more dolphin fans angry and then raise hell so that would show them that the dolphins have more fans then what is showing up to fin home games.?
     
  8. Geforce

    Geforce FinHeaven VIP

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    Nope. That method has already been tried. I think it was last year when the Orlando Sentinel wrote an article about this very subject. Basically what an NFL Spokesman said was that Dolphins fans need to get over it.
     
  9. SamTodd

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    sucks looks like i have togoto some damn bars to watch my games(moving to orlando this week). no way spending money to get directtv and sunday ticket . I hate how direct tv doesnt work when it rains(plus u need sattalite/box etc etc AND sunday ticket wtf)
     
  10. BigCityCat

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    No we get the Jags no matter what. The Dolphins have been the # 1 team here for years. They have a huge history. By far the most popular team in this area. You should see the bar scene here on Sunday's.
     
  11. John Biello

    John Biello Perennial All-Pro

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    i agree its bs. i cant have direct tv due to the condo i live in, and seeing jags game is such garbage it isnt funny. i dont know why i read this thread, or why im replying in it, it just makes me mad thinking about it...
     
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    Trust me, I completely agree with you guys. I live in Lakeland which is in the Tampa market and we get nothing but Bucs stuff. We had to get the Sunday ticket just to see most of the games. The funny thing is that most diehard fans around here are Dolphin fans, but there are more fans of the Bucs that jumped on when they started winning and became Colts fans when Dungy went to Indy and started winning. A lot of them will freely admit that as well, which made me laugh.
     
  13. Captain Lou

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    It's not a scam. The truth is Jacksonville is much closer to Orlando than Miami. Is Jacksonville not allowed to have a market? They can't go north because that's Georgia.
     
  14. BigBenny13

    BigBenny13 DolFan from birth

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    It is not a a scam, but it is crazy. Every couple of years a paper or tv station does a poll and the Dolphins are the overwhelming fan favorite in Orlando, over the Bucs and Jags. Yes we here in the Orlando area are geographically closer to those teams, but most of the fans are from earlier eras when the phins were the only choice and then got dumped on by the secondary market rules by the NFL.
     
  15. X-Pacolypse

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    I still find it funny that Polk County is considered mainly a "Tampa market" when it's right dead smack in the middle of the state. The travel time whether you go to Tampa or Orlando is essentially the same if you live in Polk. Polk is one of those counties that could go either way.
     
  16. Captain Lou

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    That or expansion!
     
  17. bigmiamifan

    bigmiamifan Perennial All-Pro

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    This has nothing to do with records. This has been a policy for like 5 years now. Before then, the Dolphins had at least 11 games televised here and nearly EVERY Hurricane game as well. Then the Hurricanes moved to the ACC and falls to another channel's coverage and we are lucky to get 5 games a year now and none are HD unless it's ESPN. The Dolphins started getting half the games it did so I would call every Sunday and leave nasty message at the local channel. Finally, like 2 years ago I got someone on the phone as was told the NFL gave this area to the Jags and there is nothing they can do. He did say to always call and ***** because they present that data to the NFL to try and break out from the Jag's control every year.

    So make sure every finfan in Orlando calls every Sunday to complain that you didn't see your fins. Maybe enough fans will call to make the NFL change it's mind.
     
  18. cowboy82nd

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    Why not???? Georgia doesn't have a team.
     
  19. Canadianfishfan

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    If the Dolphins are winning 10+ games a year like they used to.. you'd be seeing plenty of Dolphin ball. Through 'national coverage'. Regardless of broadcasting rights. The Dolphins will ALWAYS be a more popular team in Florida, and around the country than the Jags or Bucs could ever hope to be.
     
  20. Vaark

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    Doesn't look hopeful. Everyone I know in Central Florida are Fin fans.. including someone in Rockledge who's a season ticket holder. Probably your only hope is to organize a grass-roots letter-writing campaign directed at the games' sponsors threatening to boycott their products unless the team that their target demographics actually roots for gets televised. Probably just whistling in the wind but with the NFL, it's $$$$ that talks

    Personally, I'm pizzed that Comcast has just removed the Palm Beach Fox, CBS and NBC affiliates from its northern Broward programming - no more being able to see blacked out Fins games or have more than 1 choice when the Fins aren't available. Sux!:boohoo:
     
  21. hugoguzman

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    They do have a team. They're called the Atlanta Falcons.

    And this is not a conspiracy. The NFL wants to make as much money and secure as many advertisers as possible, so I'm sure that financially speaking, the current setup drives the most possible television viewership (unless they're data is wrong)
     
  22. jlfin

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    One thing has nothing to do with the other. :rolleyes2:
     
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    Easy sollution to watching your favorite team. Go to a sports bar.
     
  24. Valandui

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    I've always kind of wondered that myself. I guess it's slightly closer so Tampa won out. I don't know.
     
  25. phinphan4life

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    I'm originally from Orlando, (born and raised, Jones High School, class of 91') so I feel your pain. The thing I don't understand is why the people in the Tampa/St Pete/Clearwater area don't get the Dolphin games. The Bucs are an NFC team. Which means their games are mostly televised on FOX. The Phins are an AFC team and their games are mostly broadcast on CBS. Why in the hell wouldn't they televise the Miami games?
     
  26. X-Pacolypse

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    I have been wondering about that for years! It's something I could never understand. My best guess is, is that the Tampa markets want sole focus on the Bucs, and the Bucs only. A team that has a strong following such as the Dolphins could take away potential viewers.
     
  27. BobDole

    BobDole Suck it Trebek

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    the capn's right - it's about proximity. it's just closer and they want to expand their fan base. not rocket science but it sucks all the same.
     
  28. SCLSU Mud Dogs

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    i guess barely 1-15 means that you don't bother to look at the games in which we lost by 3 points, and the games like dallas where we were in it but compltely fell apart.
    we were better than a 1-15 team last year and we will certainly be better than a 1-15 team this year.
    i expect the entire team to play with a chip on their shoulder the whole year and prove that south florida is still a dominant sports city.
     
  29. thefieds

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    I don't get the problem with living in polk county. The Bucs are on fox so why would that make any difference.

    Teams have secondary markets to try and build a fan base. If the game is blacked out in Jax it is in Orlando too. They do that to expand their fan base.
     
  30. X-Pacolypse

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    I don't think there's a problem living in Polk County. Polk's a nice place to live. However, a major complaint of Polk Dolfans are that when the Bucs have a 1:00 game on FOX, and the Fins have a 1:00 game on CBS, why is it that only the Bucs game is shown? Why not show both games and appease both fanbases? Instead of forcing a team down the throats of a fanbase that doesn't want to watch that particular team.
     
  31. CANDolphan

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    Im not sure what is so hard to figure out about this?

    Jacksonville needs the fan base to expand, and they are a quality football team. I actually enjoy watching them play, as they play extremely solid ball, and the NFL knows that Jacksonville is such a small market that without revenue sharing they'd be in serious trouble.

    makes more sense to put the Jaguars on TV and try to build up their fanbase while Miami fans can struggle but stay loyal.
     
  32. kionte martin

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    wussup blood
     
  33. kionte martin

    kionte martin New Member

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    i feel u jack n kille jaguars r 1 of the most feared teams in the league rite now frum there runin game d fence aswell as good wr and garrard
     
  34. CANDolphan

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    Wow that last post made me feel like I have a BAC of .35
     
  35. kionte martin

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    ronnies hope

    i kno ronnie is goin 2 *** thru for us but there is a slight chance dat the only reason he wus runnin lke dat is ofensive coordinator cam cameron
    cus he did create lt. but ronnie shuld still hav it cus he alreadii broke frum out his shell
     
  36. dolpns13

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    How much do you pay for the Ticket?
     
  37. hemidemon

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    That sounds like you're refering to home games. If that's the case it's a league rule to show only a sold out home game locally. If a Fins home game is being shown locally there is no NFC game on at the same time. Instead of getting 3 games you only get 2.
     
  38. X-Pacolypse

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    It's not just home games. Sometimes the away games aren't shown either. This is just one of those things that's always puzzled me. I understand that in a Tampa market, that the Bucs should be the main focus. However, they are an NFC team and with the Dolphins in the AFC and on another station, what's the harm in showing their games?

    When there are two games are being played, and yet only one is being shown you kind of feel like you're being deprived of more football.
     
  39. hemidemon

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    It boils down to compitition in your own market. The local station makes more money when they don't have to compete.
     
  40. cowboy82nd

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    I live in Georgia and like I said, they don't have an NFL team.
     
  41. Valandui

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    Thanks for bringing that up. I completely forgot about that rule.
     
  42. BigCityCat

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    It's like 250 for the season
     
  43. HughC

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    The fan benefited more way back when the NFL and AFL were two seperate leagues, each with its own 1:00 and 4:00 game. After the merger, the league gave exclusive "doubleheader" rights each week to each of the two networks. The networks apparently prefer having a captive (no NFL competition) audience eight times per season, rather than being able to air more games. I always thought that was odd, that the ad revenue from 16 additional games would be greater than the ad revenue from eight games with higher ratings, but that's just my opinion. Maybe it's also because it gives fans that much more additional incentive to purchase Sunday Ticket, or spend money at a sports bar that buys the NFL football package.

    As far as Orlando goes, maybe the NFL is trying to equalize the number of viewers in both 'markets'. Obviously the population of metro Jacksonville doesn't come close to that of the Miami area. On the other hand, since ratings are king, it is odd that the NFL would not make a pure and simple business decision and go with the team that has more fans in that area.

    If I'm not mistaken the NFL has boundaries for the primary team extended over the entire US, leaving not a household untouched. I'm sure this isn't the only area that would benefit from an overlapping of these artificial boundaries.
     
  44. X-Pacolypse

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    It does make more sense to do that, but the NFL seems to believe that "common sense is nonsense." It just irks me when good fans are deprived of football games. You should see some of the stuff they have on TV in place of the Dolphins. Riveting television such as: Magician Awards Show, shows on snowboarding, and infomercials about the "Magic Bullet." Okay, I'm starting to ramble.

    Anyways, even if the NFL expanded the amount of games being shown in certain markets, people would still buy Sunday Ticket and go to sports bar. I mean, if you're Steelers fan living in Bartow, FL the odds are you probably won't get the Steelers on your local TV. There will always be a market for Sunday Ticket and there will always be business for sports bars on Sundays. There is absolutely no harm in allowing a Dolphins game to be shown in a Tampa market while the Bucs are on. Don't screw one fanbase, and appease the other. It's ridiculous.
     
  45. haoleboy

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    From my experience it's the local programming manager that decides what game will be showed if the home team is not playing. I work for a cable company, and this old dude I worked with knew the program manager for one of the local stations. We'd look at the TV schedule and if we didn't like the game they selected we'd call the program manager and explain why the game they chose sucked. Usually our complaints didn't matter, but two times our argument caused them to change the game they were showing.

    Point is, it's pretty much about the money, but it's also about some dumb a$$ program manager who knows nothing of the intricicies of rooting against division rivals, picking games that nobody has any interest in.

    My suggestion, if you don't like the games they are showing, call the actual station, or get a hold of the email address of the program manager for the station and explain to them why the games they are showing are irrelevant to the market they are broadcasting in, it is possible they could change....

    Go Pins
     

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