How you guys feeling about the Wes Welker Trade now?

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  1. I GOT GAME

    I GOT GAME Well-Known Member

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    You guys ripped me in the beginning of the year when I posted (How do we get rid of this guy Wes Welker) I wonder if you FOOLS still feel the same way and if you do you should be fired like Cam.

    We should have a first round pick for this guy.
     
  2. finserg

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    Stupid move
     
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    I loved it. Samson Satele is a steal and slot receivers are a dime a dozen.
     
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    No, Wes is a great player but his success this year would not have been the same on our team. He fits Brady's #2 option perfect and good for Wes for having a great year.

    On the flip side we finally got a solid Olineman for many years to come with Samson's potential to yet be realized. Ronnie had a great pre injury year and part of that is in contribution to the oline playing better on the run than many expected.

    It wasn't a bad trade strictly on the fact that the player we drafted has added more value to this team than wes would have been able to, not taking away from him the player just his fit on our team.
     
  5. Dors156

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    Was not a dumb move at all actually. Welker has done great in NE, but was he going to have 100+ catches and make a big impact like he has in NE, NO! They have Tom Brady and We have Trent Green,Cleo Lemon, and John Beck. It is alot easier to get a lot of catches when your the third reciever and the two beside you are Moss and Stallworth. By the way, Satele was our best draft pick. Great center that made our line great and he was ranked 6th on SI best offensive rookies of the year.
     
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    I'm still fine with it. And the people that are really still ticked off at the world over it...don't understand football. If you think Welker, on this years 1-15 team, would have been even remotely as productive as he was with the "historically great-undefeated-we have Brady-we have Moss" patriots team....then your borderline crazy.

    Welker had 1 TD catch in his time in Miami. Granted he didnt always have the best QBs throwing to him...but he still wasn't overly productive. Nice player, hard-nosed...not much else. If he was with the Dolphins this past year....half the league would still have no idea who he was and his stats would have been half of what they were in NE....and less TD catches.
     
  7. Jt0323

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    I was with you being agianst the trade but looking at it now, with or without welker we still were a 1-15 team. Satele was a steal and is going to help miami more than welker will in years to come.
     
  8. SabanHater

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    Well then I must be a fool, because I would do that move again, and twice on Sunday. We got a solid guy up front for a slot receiver. He's better with NE than he would be with us.
     
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    BINGO! You hit the nail on the head. Welker would not have changed what we were last year and that's a horrible football team. Satele will be a pro-bowl Center in a short time. So I actually still like the trade just like I did then. Beside, not that he's any Wes Welker, but our new 83, Greg Camarillo showed a few flashes of talent this season and I think might be ready to break out as a new possession receiver.
     
  10. PHINPHOURLIFE

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    Who cares. this like crying over spilled milk. Let's concentrate on what's happening now. Not something we have no control over last year. I think everyone here loved Wes Myself included, but he's gone:beer1:
     
  11. I GOT GAME

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    Wes is the BEST slot receiver in the game. He only 26 years old and had 112 receptions this year. In THREE years with Miami he had 96
     
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    its not about that we got satele for welker which makes it ok, its about pure evaluation of a football player and whether he's right for your team or not, at the moment of evaluation RamCam thought that wes welker was not worth a payday.hmmmmmm, a tough young talented clutch slot receiver [best in the game] who can change a game with his skills is not worth keeping on a pathetic football team.

    Whatever, it was a DUMB MOVE NOT TO SIGN WES, and the arguement that some have that he would'nt of been as productive because we were'nt a great team like the patriots and did'nt have brady and moss is illogical.

    You don't get rid of young, tough, clutch, best at their position football players because you don't have any other good football players to surround him with .
     
  13. Bumpus

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    Well, this "FOOL" actually does feel the same way. I wonder if you realize that "Dolphins Wes" would have in no way, shape, or form resembled "Patriots Wes" ... more accurate QB=more receptions.

    I'll take another cog in a more effective O-line over a slot WR/return guy anyday of the week and twice on Sunday.

    Just because you are smug, does not make you correct.

    IMO ... silly thread ... 1 star.
     
  14. NoLimit84

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    Which is exactly the point. He had 112 with New England. Of course he's going to be better in New England than here. He would have never put up that kind of production in Miami, ever.
     
  15. I GOT GAME

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    Any player would be better with New England than US
     
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    ...sigh...

    We did NOT release the guy. We traded him for draft picks to improve the team for the future. Now, did Wes have value to the Dolphins? Of course he did! However, I believe that a solid center is much more important than a solid slot WR
     
  17. NoLimit84

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    Then why would any of us hate the trade we did? Wes Welker would never be a pro-bowl player for us, while we got a player that many people feel is a pro-bowl caliber lineman? Also, consider the fact that offensive line was our biggest problem going into that offseason I feel it was a very good trade.
     
  18. JT#1

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    Do we have randy moss to take safety's over the top with him? no.Do we have arguably the BEST QB EVER?no. Welker would have been lucky to sniff 70 receptions here.We got a future pro-bowl center in satle, i'd do it again in a heartbeat.
     
  19. I GOT GAME

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    Put him on this Parcells team He WOULD HAVE NEVER TRADED THIS GUY.
     
  20. NoLimit84

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    How do you know? We're never going to throw as much as the Patriots, so even if we had a decent offense you can cut Welker's production in about half. You even said yourself in 3 seasons he had 96 receptions and we got a 2nd round pick for it.
     
  21. dolphinfn3454

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    It was a good trade for both teams. We got a great lineman and they got an average slot reciever who looks great because the players around him. I was sad to see Wes go but it was for the best.
     
  22. I GOT GAME

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    When we traded Wes we had no idea who we were going to get! How do you feel about are first round pick.
     
  23. dolpns13

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    IT WAS A GREAT MOVE. We got a frnachise center for a player who 100% would not have more than 70 reception this year.
     
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    I dont know how hard it is to understand that New England Wes =/= (or come anywhere close) to Miami Wes...
     
  25. NoLimit84

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    Our first round pick has nothing to do with what we got for Welker. Not knowing who we were going to get has nothing to do with the fact we got a 2nd round draft pick for a very average receiver for us.
     
  26. dolpns13

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    it truly shows how uninformed and unknowledgable about football some people really are
     
  27. MrTree

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    You know just because the move works out for the other guy too doesn't mean you got screwed. Satele is going to be really good for a really long time for us. For this team Satele represents a better long term investment than Welker.

    Also we didn't have a choice. There was a poison pill in the contract Wes had signed. We couldn't match New England's offer.

    You should probably avoid calling people fool's when the majority disagrees with you...usually the one who looks foolish is yourself.
     
  28. BigDogsHunt

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    Two draft picks for Wes instead of his cap hit if we matched the NE offer...yes any day of the week.

    S. Satele (2nd) and A. Wright (7th) for Wes and his contract terms and cap hit. Slam dunk no brainer, solid trade for Miami.

    We used the RFA rules and tender offer to our advantage. If he resigned with us, great, if a counter came along like NE, and we were able to turn it into a trade netting us a 2nd and 7th rounder, kudos to the Dolphins FO for this one.
     
  29. Chisel Monkey

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    WE DIDN'T Trade Welker, he was a restricted Free agent, the patriots could have made the contract impossible for us to match by making the contract gaureteed if he play 4 games in Miami. Kraft and Huizinga talked and the Pats threw in a 7th i think to avoid the bad blood with the poison pill in the contract
     
  30. bkbuffet

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    Wes is a great guy who plays hard... no question there. Value wise it was a smart trade without question. Can you name another slot receiver in recent history who got better trade value? Heck, they only got one 2nd rounder for Chambers. Wes got a 2nd and 7th.

    Besides, if Wes would have played this last year with the Fins, I can guarantee you that he would not have been as productive as he was in 2006 and would not have gotten anywhere near that value in trade again.

    Also, take into account all the failed QB's the Fins traded 2nd round picks for the past few years... Satele is worth more to this team right now than all of those failed QB's AND Welker put together. You cannot build or anchor a team around a slot receiver, but you can around a good OL.
     
  31. MrTree

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    You are mostly right, but it did end up being a trade. Since he was an RFA and the Pats had tendered him an offer we would have had to let him go, but I'm guessing we may have dragged our feet. To expedite things and avoid a bad faith deal the Pats threw in a seventh with the second and we made it a sign and trade.
     
  32. dolpns13

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    with us starting 3 QB's, he wouldnt have had more than 60 catches, gaaaruuuaaanteeeeed
     
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    I would still make the trade in a heartbeat. Welker is a very good slot receiver. But that is it. He is in the perfect offense. Randy Moss requires so much attention that it opens up the underneath part of the field a lot. Welker is then given either one on one or a zone to deal with. Then Brady has absolutely all day to sit in the pocket and read the field. That allows Welker to have plenty of time to find the right hole in the zone or run away from the guy covering him.

    His YPC went up .8 yards from last year with us. And I'm pretty sure I heard that he led the league in yards after catch. Yes he is ellusive. But it also speaks to all of that attention Moss and even Stallworth get.

    I just don't see how he would have helped our offense more than Satele did. And I dont' see how he puts up near the numbers he did in NE without Moss/that offensive line/ and Brady. He is a glorified Brandon Stokely who did essentially the same thing in another perfect offense in which the other recievers drew all the attention and the QB had all day to throw the ball. The Fins didn't have any of that so therefore Welker's value was severely limited to us.
     
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    DITTO!!! Plus we also got our punter... who had a pretty good year!!
     
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    Stud O-Lineman > Stud Slot WR
     
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    it was good for us at the time...satele will be a pro bowl caliber center in years to come
     
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    easily would have done the trade again... 2nd round pick for a number 3 receiver, every team in the league would pull that trade and they would be dumb not too...

    regardless of how Wes did there, he was still only our number 3 receiver... he can not be anything more than that because he generally can not get separation from cornerbacks... but he does excel when covered by linebackers and safeties out of the slot...

    hes a great number 3 receiver to have... fits the Pats well with their pass happy, 3-wide sets, but i would repeat that trade any time...

    and lol@thinking parcells wouldn't trade a 3rd wr for a 2nd round pick... especially if he knew hed end up with a great lineman out of it
     
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    the same ppl that are crying we should of never traded Wes probably would be crying we should of traded Wes if he was still on this team and had an avg year with us.
     
  39. I GOT GAME

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    When we played New England Last year and beat them. Bill Belichick watched the tapes and said that Wes single handily beat them. He was so Impressed that he traded for him.
     
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    Its a no brainer now. Satele may be a solid center for some years, we still dont know, but Welker no doubt will continue to put up big numbers in NE. Even on a bad offense last year look what he did. What a weapon....:boohoo:
     
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    What does the first round pick have to do with this thread? The fact is NE was prepared to use a poison pill RFA contract to get Wes and there was nothing we could do about it. We got a 2nd and 7th round picks for a guy we picked up off the street.
     
  42. SabanHater

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    I just saw that Welker had 8 TD's to all of our WR's 7 TD's. Still that deal was a no-brainer. Just throwing a stat out there.
     
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    It was a good trade for the Dolphins because Welker wouldn't have done that much this past year if he was still in Miami. A lot of his success has to do with the system and the players the Patriots have. He wouldn't probably even do very well on most other teams other than maybe the Colts. It has to do with the system and the quarterback.
     
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    Jumpin the gun here chief if you think Satele is a "stud" O lineman. He is a rookie who had a solid campaign. how can you even judge him yet?? He may become a mediocre lineman for years OR make a couple pro bowls down the road. He's a rookie, and to say Satele is a stud lineman is to say Derek Hagan is a stud #1 wideout.
     
  45. I GOT GAME

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    That's why they are going to the Super Bowl and we won 1 game.
     
  46. The Confessor

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    WTF? Since when were "Nani nani boo boo. pockets full of pooh pooh" threads appropriate to begin with?:shakeno:

    For the record, not long after trading little Wesley Wanker did he show his real feelings for Miami and the Dolphins- good riddence...I am Estatic over the trade and would do it again over and over and over..

    Sam Satale IS the face of the future of the phins.:beer1:

    Better thread would be to go to Raidernation and ask how they feel only getting a 3rd for Randy Moss :up:
     
  47. dolpns13

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    :sidelol: what!?
     
  48. SabanHater

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    "Nani nani boo boo. pockets full of pooh pooh"
     
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    Super-D-Duper-Fan-Friggin-Tastic

    Thanks for asking

    :lol:

    Wes is a great #3 WR, something that the Miami Dolphins didn't have the luxury of resigning. The NE Pats are loaded at every position and could afford to overpay a #3 WR. Now Wes is in the perfect situation, he has a great QB, Moss and Co. stretch the field for him leaving him a TON of room and the guy never faces a double team. Of course he's going to do well, my mom would look like a superstar playing for the Pats.

    Besides, a great C > a great #3 WR

    You make that trade every day of the week
     
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    case closed!
     

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