Hyde: Ex-Dolphins winning everywhere but here

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  1. Riftur

    Riftur Demon

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    I have been very confused about this for a very long time. When I clicked on the article (Nick Saban and the truth about ex-Dolphins winning everywhere — but here) I thought there was a theory about why this happens. Unfortunately it is just stating the obvious. Anyone have any clue why no one can be successful here? Coaches, free agents and draft picks it does not matter.

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-sp-hyde-ex-dolphins-20180109-story.html
     
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    zach attach A True Fan Donator

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    I read this, it made me sick.
    The last 2 years were decent drafts-Harris, I hope he finds something this offseason and brings it hard in 2018, McMillian was good choice, Tank will be good,Godchaux. and I have high hopes for Asiata.
    2016-Tunsil, X, Drake all good picks.
    Not bad for who we have now-Tannenbaum.
     
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    finmann Pro Bowler

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    I wish I could read it, but Sun Sentinel want me to pay to read their articles.......they must be crazy.
     
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  4. Riftur

    Riftur Demon

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    I agree, on paper we always seem to look good though. On the field not so much!
     
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  5. Riftur

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    here is a small part of the article

    And it’s not so much Ginn, who continues a solid career in its 11th season now. It’s the Muellers. It’s the football lifers.

    Look at Monday’s college national championship game. Alabama’s Nick Saban beat Georgia’s Kirby Smart. One former Dolphins head coach beat his Dolphins assistant. Expand that to the NFL this weekend. Tennessee’s Mike Mularkey and Atlanta’s Dan Quinn are still playing. Two more Saban assistants with the Dolphins.

    So four of the final 10 head coaches to continue on this football postseason were on the same, failed Dolphins staff in 2006. And the guy leading that staff, the one who failed so miserably he ducked out of town after two years, is now the greatest college coach of them all.
     
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    kingfin23 This is the Year

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    I think Dan Marino cursed us. Die Dan, Laces out. Lol Just kidding.. But seems that way. So many left here, and turned it around elsewhere. Maybe it's just the heat. To hot to play football. Let Ross put a dome on top, and fire up the air conditioning. Never know
     
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  7. Riftur

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    At this point we need to try anything lol
     
  8. zach attach

    zach attach A True Fan Donator

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    Remember Dan was in Hell in "Little Nicky" He asked the devil to give him a ring and was denied. But just maybe the devil DID allow a curse on the team.
     
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    I admit I am one that desperately wanted Brady Quinn. I actually still believe (well maybe only a little) under the right circumstances he could have been an ok starter, I know i may be the only one. But I never never understood giving up on Ginn for nothing. I am not sure I even remember? Did we cut him or trade him for a bag of balls? He had some big plays for us over the 2 years, just was inconsistent.
    I liked Mueller also
     
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    At first glance you could look to the stands and formulate an opinion...

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    But that doesn’t explain why teams like the Bills have sucked for so long though.

    Which leads me to another theory, continuity.

    Check out the list of head coaches for each team in the AFC East since the turn of the century...

    Bills

    Wade Phillips, Gregg Williams, Mike Mularkey, **** Jauron, Perry Fewell (interim), Chan Gailey, Doug Marrone, Rex Ryan, Anthony Lynn (interim), Sean McDermott

    Jets

    Al Groh, Herman Edwards, Eric Mangini, Rex Ryan, Todd Bowles

    Dolphins

    Dave Wannstedt, Jim Bates (interim), Nick Saban, Cam Cameron, Tony Sparano, Todd Bowles (interim), Joe Philbin, Dan Campbell (interim), Adam Gase

    Patriots

    Bill Belichick

    And that right there speaks volumes.

    Can’t expect to unseat the Patriots with this much turnover within the division.

    A little patience, along with a tiny bit of competence from our coaching staff will go a long way.

    Add in a pinch of faith (and passion) from the fan base and you have the beginning ingredients for prolonged success in this league.

    So in layman’s terms, trust the process.
     
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  11. Daytona Fin

    Daytona Fin Burn the Jolly Roger Moderator Finheaven VIP

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    Made the playoffs last season


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    We''ll bounce back this year.
     
  12. Lionstone

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    My take on the article is that the fan base and the owner have been too quick to think there is huge problem with the skills of coaches and FO personnel. There is at least one notable exception as every absolute statement has a notable exception.
     
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    KC has the loudest stadium in the NFL, this incredible home field advantage......uhhhh you can rule out Geography.

    If you believe in superstitions this appears to be an article for you. I'm not clicking.

    Nick Saban failed in NFL because he couldn't hand pick his players, when that became obvious to him he quit.

    If Mike Mularkey got fired tomorrow he'd be lucky to land an interview with another team.

    The Dolphins have gotten two really good QB season's in the last decade, 2008 and 2016 and guess what, they made the playoffs. All that matters is the QB play. The last time we saw our franchise QB he was having the best game of his career.

    It's irresponsible to use the 2017 season as a measuring stick for where we are at on the field.

    If you want to spend the off season complaining and lamenting how drafting Ted Ginn Jr. is somehow relevant to the team that will take the field in 2018, you need to get yourself checked out.

    Go look and see where the Golden State Warriors were 10 years ago.

    Or the Seattle Seahawks.

    Or the Cleveland Indians.

    Or the Houston Astros.

    Sports are a cycle, wait your turn.

    The most important decision is always the next one, not the last one.
     
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    So true. Plus, Miami hasn't been able to build the foundation. Look how long the team has struggled to field a competent offensive line.
     
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    I started following the Dolphins in 1970
    In that decade we had double digit wins in 9 out of the 10 seasons
    and 7 playoff seasons... I'm pretty sure it was warm back then
     
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    Dude. That made me want to start drinking. Please don't do that again.
     
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    It’s aboul hitting on draft pick you have to consistently hit on draft picks now more than ever with the price tags in free agency.
     
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    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-sp-hyde-ex-dolphins-20180109-story.html

    Pretty amazing how many ex-Dolphin coaches and front office people are having success this year in both college and the NFL. Didn’t even realize Hickey and Gaine are with Buffalo now...

    And Minnesota vs New Orleans is a battle between failed Dolphin GMs.

    What is up with our organization that people tend to only find success once they leave?

    If Gase fails here I could definitely see him being the next on the list of failures to success stories somewhere else.
     
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    And what of all the ones not having success and unemployed?
     
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    Locke They looked like strong hands.

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    It’s easy. Bad coaches and no QBs.
     
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    That hurts. And I do remember thinking Hickey got the raw end of the deal after doing relatively well here.
     
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    But at the same time -

    Ricky Williams became a star in Miami and even though he was very good in New Orleans, he was wayyy better in Miami.
    Kenny Stills has been more productive in Miami even when he had Drew Brees in NO.
    Chad Pennington of the Jets also took us to the playoffs and he played very well here.

    So basically ex Dolphins winning everywhere, any other teams could say the same thing. Ask Tampa Bay about L. Blount who won 2 superbowls with New England?
     
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    Joe Philbin: Fired in Indianapolis as OL Coach with entire coaching staff
    Bill Lazor: 7-9 as OC, 31st in rushing & 32nd in total offense
    Kevin Coyle: Fired in Cincinnati as DB Coach
    Mike Sherman: coaching in Canada after three years coaching high school
     
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    Bad ownership and ignorant fans with pitchforks lol.
     
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  25. J. David Wannyheimer

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    How about all the other ex-Dolphins who have NOT been successful or have been demoted well below the positions they had in Miami? Which is... the overwhelming majority of them?

    I'll tell you which two guys we lost are legitimately doing great jobs:

    - Nick Saban at Alabama
    - Rick Spielman in Minnesota

    Funny enough, we probably had to give up on Spielman because of Saban wanting full control.
     
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  26. DolfanDuBbZ~

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    Except to get in on the cyclical fun...you need a foundation and identity. Miami has neither and has struggled for decades to find and maintain one.

    But hey keep preaching Hope and Change. Maybe the blind squirrel will get a few nuts, eventually.
     
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    DolfanDuBbZ~ Avoid the 'Noid

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    Pennington played so well he kept throwing the ball to Ed Reed. Oops.
     
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    Is it any better to preach despair and hopelessness? To each his own I guess
     
  29. DolfanDuBbZ~

    DolfanDuBbZ~ Avoid the 'Noid

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    Called reality homie. Until this team establishes something of a foundation and identity, the product on the field will be nothing more than unfounded HOPE.

    And I don't see anything changing until 2020 at the earliest.

    In The era of participation trophies and safe spaces, feelings are overrated.
     
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    Who's reality? Do you think the Rams or the Eagles or Jacksonville or the Chargers or the Bills or the Saints had reality coming into the season? I would rather have hope. I can understand your pessimism but I hope you can also see some fans going the other route
     
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    What changed for those teams?

    The Saints resurgence is because they hit pay dirt in the draft. Do you know who is getting credit for the Saints turnaround?
     
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    Yeah I remember being so happy when Quinn was still there at our pick, and instead we chose Ted Ginn. I stopped watching the remainder of the draft. But Ginn is still in the league while Quinn is probably some commentator for college or insurance salesman.
     
  33. DuderinoN703

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    We have been waiting for our turn for a very long time. As others have said on here before, I just hope I see them win the Super Bowl before I die.
     
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    Same for me. I was ecstatic when Brady Quinn was still available at that pick and I almost lost my mind when they drafted Ginn.
     
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    I do...Ireland. My point is hope(a great draft) could be around the corner, even if it is by luck
     
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    They’re either still employed or are currently with the Dolphins.
     
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    I wonder if part of the reason players go to crap when they are here is the allure of South beach.. Especially when it comes to free-agents. With the stories of coaches doing Coke, Malaluga at the club at 8 in the morning. And the texts from incognito of their lifestyles I wonder if players get here and arent as focused as they would be in lets say Green Bay.
     
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    when the “process” includes the likes of Tannenbaum there can be no trusting anything. sns
     
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    Ireland is the assistant GM - let’s not get carried away. Sparano sucked w the Jets and Raiders before being w the Vikes. This is all bull w exception of Saban who would have been a great NFL coach - you could see it. The teams got on rolls after slow starts and did ok w horrible QBs. Article is such a stretch. If Joe Philbin was water boy for Atlanta this year the article would have called him a success there. Meh.
     
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    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-sp-hyde-ex-dolphins-20180109-story.html
     

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