Hyde: Hear this Dolphins? Peyton won't be playing with Luck

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  1. FinsBR

    FinsBR Dolfan from São Paulo - Brazil

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    I sure see Ross pulling the trigger on this one!

    Lebon, Pujols and Manning in Miami? Seems great!

    [h=2]Hear this Dolphins? Peyton won't be playing with Luck[/h]
    Now we know what the Dolphins are playing for these final four games besides possibly Tony Sparano's future: Peyton Manning's attention.

    The thought of making a play for Peyton Manning this off-season entered the real of reality today when Archie Manning said the obvious: Peyton and Andrew Luck shouldn't be on the same team.
    "I don’t think it'd necessarily be great for either one," Manning told FOX Radio. “I think Andrew's the type of mature player ... he can walk right in. I mean, these other three or four (rookie passers) that are playing this year, (if) they can walk in and contribute, Andrew can, too.
    "We know Andrew well. He comes down to our camp every year. I used to play with his dad (Oliver) (as Houston Oilers quarterbacks in 1982-83). ... I'm in New York, I heard from him last night.
    "Peyton's also tried to help Andrew and kind of be a friend. I doubt if either one want to play on the same team."
    You think Archie spoke out of turn? Do you know how smart and organized the Mannings are in their public thoughts?
    Peyton has to be healthy, of course. That's a big hurdle. But he will have a lot of say where he goes, because the last thing the Colts want to do is throw the guy who's been the franchise for the last decade overboard in a way that angers him forever.
    Here are two obvious teams that could contend next year with the right moves: The Dolphins and the Jets.
    Both will want him. Both will be in win-now mode. I'd think the Jets would have an edge, because brother Eli plays for the Giants and it'd be a great marketing chance - and the Mannings love marketing.
    This is something to watch moving foward.
     
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    I have said it from the start. Manning could very well be our QB.
     
  3. outlawd2u

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    Oh God, I would seriously consider trying to find a way to hibernate for several years until it's all over if Peyton went to the Jets.
     
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    We wont outbid the Redskins so it doesn't matter.
     
  5. KDog13

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    It be an interesting situation given his rather large contract. If we do get him, the whole draft outlook changes, and do we keep or trade Moore who will have value come draft day. Going to be a interesting off-season, thats for sure.
     
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    He's a god in Tennessee.. that would be my guess. Miami? I've got mixed emotions about backing up the Brinks truck for an immobile 36yo who's had 3 neck surgeries, especially if Columbo hangs on. If we signed him, kept Moore and drafted a top QB, well then, as unrealistic as this would seem, it might be more palatable.

    I do think it's possible that from a selfish paternal standpoint, and sharing his own successful skill set, Archie is telling his buddy Oliver how best to orchestrate a power play.
     
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    Whoever gets him is going to be very disappointed. He's never been a great playoff QB, he's 36, and he has major health issues. He won't be running his offense with his guys that he has had years to coach up and build a rapport with.

    You should be way more excited right now about the possibility that Luck will pull an Elway and go to one of the teams that might be jockeying for us with Barkley or RG3.
     
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    Not buying it myself. I still think Colts will trade out of the number one pick to the highest bidder (as long as they stay in the top ten or so) and then draft Barkley or Jones to sit behind Peyton. I think our first rounder this year, first rounder next year, a couple of seconds and Jake could be enough, providing we don't win more than say 5 or 6 games. I know that is highly unlikely but who cares :3w:
     
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    Then I guess Brady hasn't either, as Manning has a higher career Post Season QB rating than Tom does....And over 10 points higher than Marino.

    It's easy to remember the 4 INT game vs New England, but the man has been very good in the Post Season, overall.
     
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    I don't think we are in win now situation. The jets, yes but not the dolphins. Our team is still very young compared to the jets. I would rather draft a QB in the first and give that a try. Draft someone that can be the face of the franchise because we havent had one since Marino
     
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    and jake long?... :idk:
     
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    Good lets sign Manning and draft weeden so he will have someone to play shuffleboard with!
     
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    Don't bet on it. Ross can buy and sell Dan Snyder many times. There are two big things to consider:
    (a) Manning's health. We don't want to repeat the Daunte Culpepper disaster on bigger bucks.
    (b) Can the creative accountants come up with a viable formula that fits the salary cap without gutting the rest of the team. The fact that Florida has zero state income tax is a major attraction and will not be lost on Manning.
     
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    It would be very unorthodox to have 2 qbs on the field at the same time.
     
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    Manning would get destroyed behind our OL.. The right side of it anyways... Unless this OL can truly pass protect, we need a QB that can rush, and Manning isnt that QB.. And I understand he can get the ball out quick
     
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    He's old.

    He's injured.

    This O-line sucks.

    No.
     
  17. mialuv13

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    I'd take Manning if we could trade him for Rodgers.... Or I'd take Manning if he gave me his salary and my 5' 9'' 155 lb self can play for him... What's the difference? If either one of us gets hit, our careers would pretty much be over.
     
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    Let the Skins get him (Peyton) and Mia can draft Barkley.
     
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    He still has a few years

    He will be healthy

    The offseason can be used to improve the right side of the line

    He will bring charisma to the franchise and fan base

    He will be motivated to win one more Super Bowl

    He will elevate the level of the team like no coach could ever do

    YES!!!
     
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    It just doesn't seen fair that the Colts will have a shot at another top QB prospect. That is the last three out of four or something like that.

    I am thinking Jeff George, even though he was a bust, Manning, and now Luck, or one of the other two.
     
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    At least he has been a playoff QB year after year....
     
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    If we get Manning, we're winning the Super Bowl. Him and Brandon Marshall? OMG. He's never had a receiver as physically dominating as Marshall. I'd take Manning for the next 4 years and try to win a Super Bowl in that time frame, and then try to get a QB in the draft in 3-4 years.

    Just look at the Colts. With Manning, they are contenders, without him, they are 0-16. Without Manning, we're a 7-8 win team, imagine what he would do with us. 12-13 wins and a Super Bowl me thinks. The Pats were an 11 win team without Brady, Manning is the most valuable player. He can take us to the next level and beyond. Please Let this Happen!
     
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    Does Miami still draft a young QB?
     
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    A few years ago I would have agreed with this assessment in a heart beat.... But now not so much... Multiple neck surgeries in one year may put him in that one hit and my carreer is over category...
     
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    Name me 1 player that this can't be said for?
     
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    peyton to miami or new orleans in 2012! brees is a free agent if he does'nt resign with the saints he may even be a dolphin next season.
     
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    Multple surgeries yes... Multiple neck surgeries not as common... Let alone having to have a second one to repair the first one and cost you your playing season...
     
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    If the compensation for Carson Palmer is a 1st and a 2nd that could be another 1st then what would it take to get P.Manning?
     
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    Yes, if it is a good value...In this fantasy scenario, sign Reggie Wayne and re-sign Soliai in FA.

    To me that will leave RG, RT, pass rusher, QB and another CB in the draft.

    It would sure be fun IMO.

    I know what you are saying if he is damaged goods. I would have him checked by independent doctors and if they gave me the green light...I would sign him with a Brinks Truck.
     
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    i am still concerned about his cervical spine and the nerve damage. I just cant see how he is going to fully recover from it.
     
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    most spine injuries have some permanent features, he had a anterior fusion, most common area is C5 which effects deltoid group, fusion is now stable occurding to ct bone scan, but that does not mean he will ever get back his strength in his arm no matter how much therapy he gets. Spinal nerves dont fully heal many times and you cant strengthen the muscle group if the wires dont work. This type of surgery is not typical for football players. I dont even think you could have a full idea in three or four months. The team would have to seriously consider drafting a QB for insurance and the future.
     
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    On Sunday Countdown, Mort mentioned another player that I believe was a DB that had the same surgery and the player said he feel great. The name of the player escapes me. The point that was being made was this player was always hitting and tackling, but still was fine. Of course, a QB does not get as much punishment as a defensive player.

    I think this has a chance of happening IF he is healthy.

    Make a run...
     
  33. J. David Wannyheimer

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    This is just wishful thinking. As Bonedoc said, the sort of injury he has and the kind of surgeries that he went through are the sort of thing that it's really, really unlikely he will just pop back up from at 100% six months from now. He is damaged goods.

    I would not be surprised if Peyton decides to hang 'em up entirely if the Colts cut him and draft Luck.
     
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    I think it is brady smith and he is a DE for Atlanta. I remember them talking about this as well.
     
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    the problem with manning is the nerves he damaged are the ones he needs to throw the ball, you cannot compare the two positions or players conditions. No two people recover the same from this stuff
     
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    Did you see the interview with the CBS crew on Sunday? He did not look like a man that wanted to hang it up nor want to see the Colts draft Andrew Luck. I am telling you he will be available. You are right obviously his healthy must be checked and the Drew Brees Dolphins Doctors can stay home the day he is evaluated. However, I think he will come back and imagine the buzz and success of this team with Peyton Manning under center...wow.
     
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    Remember the last qb we wrote off as damaged goods.
     
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    Bill Polian doesnt give a crap about what is ideal for Manning or Luck. He only cares about improving his team.

    Favre wasnt happy about the packers drafting Rogers.

    McNabb wasnt happy when the Eagles drafted Kolb.

    Drew Brees and Phillip Rivers....and the list goes on.

    The Colts will draft Andrew Luck and keep Manning, and if you think Manning's feeling will even be considered, you havent been paying attention to how GM's draft.
     
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    The only buzz I'm imagining is a daydream with no foothold in reality.
     
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    This is how I see it, the colts ARE trading out of that 1st overall spot, whether that be to our beloved dolphins (Ross pony up the bill) or to some other team.
    I see them drafting either L. Jones or R. Tannehill, maybe even RG3 to sit behind Manning to learn the next 3-4 yrs and have a boatload of picks with that trade to fix that whole team, because they have so many holes and it's not just at the QB position.
     

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