I’m thinking you guys might be right...

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  1. multistage

    multistage Well-Known Member

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    Gase may not have it.

    Look, I get the circumstances. All the ills we’ve had. Nobody expected us to go anywhere this year.

    But this.....

    All done. There is a difference between losing and being crushed.
    Our guys just want the season to end. Immediately. Pretty obvious.

    That’s on Gase. If they won’t play, that is just piss poor leadership. Shula would see this current crop crucified.

    Maybe he oughta trade Cam Wake to improve morale. Say, to the Eagles or something.

    At least then Wake would have a shot at a ring.

    It’s bad. And it isn’t Tannehill. Or Raekwon.

    It’s the attitude.
     
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    Fintastic17 A True Fan

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    And it's funny because if Gase were to "Crucify" this roster tomorrow everyone would be calling for his head because "he could've at least got something for those players he cut".

    I mean really, step back a put yourself in his shoes. What the actual **** is he supposed to do when they hang 45 ****ing points on us.
     
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    Agreed. they dont give a **** about the team or the coach. no passion, no heart, no commitment.

    100% on the clueless coach.
     
  4. LANGER72

    LANGER72 A True Fan

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    Gase lost the team earlier this season.
    This is just a continuation of players mentality. Cutting Ajayi was a stupid solution when the problem has been Gase all along. Timmons saw the disfunction before game 1.
    He should go ahead and trade Landry, Jones and Wake. Blow it up on his way out.
     
  5. dlockz

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    it is amazing this crap team has 4 wins
     
  6. joenhre

    joenhre Starter Donator

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    So far I have seen a team they always seems unprepared especially at the start of games. I see a team that is extremely undisciplined. I see a team that quit tonight. Whether it is fair or not all of that falls on the Head Coach's shoulders.
     
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    I see a team that is just not good enough on both sides of the ball, I'm still willing to give Gase a couple more years to improve the roster.
     
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    What scares me about this is that his hand picked players playing his system (Bushrod, Stills, Thomas, Cutler, Williams) are doing nothing to help us win games.

    His last big decision to show the team that he’s in charge was to trade away last years best player to a Super Bowl contender for a bag of peanuts. I’m sure the locker room was thinking “damn, why can’t I get traded”!

    This team is completely unprepared at kickoff, worse after the half. Gase is slowly but surely showing he is a fraud.
     
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    artdnj Time is Now Finheaven VIP

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    Gase needs to crucify his coaching staff in himself before the players in my opinion. Worst coaching staff I've seen in a long time.
     
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    DolfanISS Perennial All-Pro Finheaven VIP

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    You know Gase is really into players getting rest during the week. Maybe our practices are too light. I don’t know what it is but that game was like Oakland or Cleveland in 2007. The defense was hopeless.
     
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    finfan41 Rookie Finheaven VIP

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    Ya I know what you mean Gase was taking bad angles to the ball carrier , his piss poor tackling and his mental errors in the game, don’t know why he out there on defense, and did you see all those bad throws on offense he made, missing wide open receivers by a mile.
     
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  12. daryl

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    I think Gase is safe going into next year because he has the Tannehill excuse, but as dreadful as they've looked recently I guess it's possible it could become a Ben McAdoo-type situation. Especially if Tannenbaum/Ross start hearing that Gase has totally lost the locker room and it gets toxic. If he stays, there's probably going to be some forced changes in the coaching staff, whether he wants them or not. I'm starting to really question the coaching more so than the talent (or lack of) on the field.
     
  13. Avigatorx

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    Improve the roster to do what? Showcase his brand of football?

    Gase's brand of football sucks. Even if his plays work perfectly, it is a crap college-based offense that even andy reid and chip kelly would laugh at. His defensive philosophy is like watching a train crash in slow motion, "bend but dont break" only actually works if you dont ****ing break. We play bend, bend and bend over at the hips waiting for that train to enter the tunnel.

    I thought sleeping that game off would give me a different perspective. Nope. Not yet, maybe another day.

    The kicker is that Gase is so ****ing stubborn that I cant even let myself believe he will make changes. No not personnel changes, changes to his friggin gameplans and play calls.

    If this guy comes in here next year with the same jacked up offensive AND defensive schemes what the hell is the point in giving him time?
     
  14. dirwuf

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    I've always laughed at people who post "I'm done with this team", and while I wouldn't go that far, I can't imagine wasting my time watching another game for the foreseeable future. And it's not like this is the worst team I've seen, it's just that they are so...joyless.
     
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    That perfectly sums up our situation with Gase.
     
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    Dan Campbell likely agrees.
     
  18. royalshank

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    Gase won't go anywhere. Even if he is a fraud (not saying he is), Ross thinks he found his "young Don Shula" since they made the playoffs last year. He gets 2018 no question. Is his contract 3 or 4 years?

    Tannenbaum is worse. Got to get that guy out.
     
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    zach attach A True Fan Donator

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    No, but Gase signs off on this crap every week after all the practices are done. He can at that point assemble the best roster to win the game. Gase didn't play, he just picked the ones making all those mistakes.
     
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    Dolph N.Fan A True Fan

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    I’m amazed it took 10 weeks for them to quit on Gase and his butt buddy Cutler
     
  21. volk

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    It’s funny, because last year Gase changed his system at the bye and got a playoff birth, but somehow we all believe he has changed nothing this season...seems kind of suspect to me. Furthermore, Gase is on record that the team doesn’t like him due to his pointing out flaws in victories and constantly pushing for greater precision and learning. He has also indicated that the best players on the team don’t put in the work to learn the playbook and improve, but think they can skate by on talent. That press conference is where I believe Gase lost this team, and trading Ajayi just cemented it.

    Now, if what Gase says is true, are those players worth keeping? Is it worth having a team who defies their coach and doesn’t work to improve? Regardless of who the coach is, do you really want players with no work ethic or professional pride who just lay down hoping the coach will be fired? What have all these great players accomplished so far without Gase to feel they are just fine?

    Is Gase on the hot seat? I would say yes. Should he be let go? I don’t think so, at least not yet. Good teams have coaches with long tenures. Gase is young and has the disposition to really grow into the next big coach, but he is very young and will make mistakes. Maybe we need to let him mature a bit as well and have a roster that buys in before we railroad him out of town. Remember, constantly firing coaches year after year makes your team undesirable for any good coaching candidates except the unproven. It has to stop somewhere or we will continue our same malaise forever.
     
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    New slogan:


    Got to get rid of Gase...Post haste
     
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    Well this is not madden, and you can’t replace the whole roster in 1 season, it’s going to take a few years, yes he pick the players to play, but what’s that tell you about the back ups, I know as fans we want instant gratification but it’s not that easy, our season was doomed in trading camp when 4 starter lost, got 1 back with Larsen, but tannehill was the key
     
  24. Ryan1973

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    I don't want to use the he is young excuse. Look at what McVey is doing with the Rams and he is younger than Gase. McVey was smart enough to hire Wade Phillips as the DC. Some guys have what it takes to be head coaches and some don't regardless of their age. Gase doesn't have it because he has way too big of an ego and thinks his **** don't stink.
     
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    dagger151 J-E-T-S $uck - $uck - $uck

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    Tannenbaum is the problem. Horrible drafts, overpaid aging veterans in FA, trades that have us scratching our heads confused. We need new leadership from the top down or the same nonsense will continue. Look at how laughable the Jets were under Tannenbaum. Have to give the guy credit for fleecing a billionaire, but the party is over.
     
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    I don't believe the players are the (primary) problem. Most of the team is young and it is just against the odds that we happen to pick "all bad apples from the bunch". No, the problem here is Tannenbaum and Gase. Tannenbaum should have never been hired. Many of us here on the site KNEW this and pointed it out. Tannenbaum is a plague cast upon any team that he swindles his way to; he is Jets trash and needs to be JETtisoned. Gase, on the other hand, is just not ready for the HC position. He is obstinate to a fault and fails to inspire or motivate the players. These two faults will prevent Gase from ever passing the threshold of mediocrity as an HC.

    As a fan, the Ajayi trade broke me this season. Not because I am a fan of the "Jay Train", but because Gase's "shotgun solution" of sending him away reeked of a leadership failure on behalf of the coach. Just last year, Ajayi was part of the "Stronger Together" marketing campaign with a Pro Bowl performance. By trading Ajayi without trying any other corrective actions Gase sent the team, and the fan base, the message that we are "Stronger Apart". The lack of heart in the game last night showed this perfectly.
     
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  27. kingfin23

    kingfin23 This is the Year

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    Gase definitely lost the players. I bet Ajayi pointed him out on his ridiculous play calling and got traded. Ajayi was the guy that step up and said coach are you out your mind. Just get Jim Harbaugh in 2019 and move on. Tired of these no experience hit or miss coaches. I rather have Joe Philbin. Unfortunately Gase will have anther shot with Tannehill but we will go 7-9. Then get Jim here for highest paid Coach ever.
     
  28. fansinceGWilson

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    I don't quite agree. Even last night the D looked like it initially had a game plan and the players looked energetic. I don't think it's a coincidence the D seems to 'give up' in 2H. They've kept the opposition at least reasonably in check, only to their their O play laughably bad. I played on a team with that same situation. After a while the D sees no need to try hard because it won't matter. And it seemed like after Cutler's 2Q pick, the D went into 'who cares' mode. Not saying the D doesn't need some upgrades, but, IMO, this is 90% on the O side.

    I'm not down on Gase as HC, but he's obviously miserable as OC, and I have yet to see evidence of halftime adjustments. Do they even have a person on staff to scout their own team??? Raise your hand if the 4th and 1 play call surprised you. Yeah, I thought so.

    QB situation is as bad as I've seen in a while. One QB can't hit the ground and the other can't read Ds. In spite of his detractors, Pouncey was pretty good LAST year. This year he looks like Dallas Thomas out of position. Landry doesn't seem to care. Sorry, he just seems, 'yeah, whatever.' Hard for me to tell about the OL last night. That was an exceptionally good front 7 that makes most teams look bad. Davis and Larsen looked decent.
     
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    Most teams have an OC calling the plays from the damn sky box.

    Gase in his infinite wisdom thinks it is better to stand on the sidelines, amidst all the other distractions, and call plays from there.

    The dude is just out of his mind.
     
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    No.
     
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    joenhre Starter Donator

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    Whether we like it or not Gase will be here for at least another year. He may start to butt heads with Tannenbum because he will most likely want some of the overpaid quitters off the team. Problem is he will want to keep his buddy Julius Thomas on the team. The Dolphins must have the slowest group of TEs in the league. At least Fasano is a decent blocker. Thomas can't block and moves like a slug but Gase wants to force feed him the ball.
     
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    Exactly.....a good coach deals with and fixes the attitudes & issues of players, especially decent ones like Ajayi who was or was becoming a marquee name. You don't stick your fingers in your ears and say "NO NO NO!!...it's my way or the highway....how dare anyone question me!! ....now go away so I don't have to deal with you anymore". That will never work....esp not in today's NFL where the talent expects to have a say and their viewpoints aired & listened to. Gase is not coaching in 1960 but seems to feel he is and damn anyone who tries to challenge him.......sorry...those days of dictator coaches is over - Belicheat may be the one last coach who can get away with being somewhat like that but the fact that he has a winning legacy and 5 Super Bowls gives him the credence with the players to do so.......and Gase is a LOOONG way from being that guy.
     
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    Gase is here for a couple more yrs whether you like it or not so no point getting so mad about it. Tannenbaum is the real problem, and unfortunately he is prob here even longer. We've handed out some horrible contracts and tied up way too much money in areas we didn't need to. And I don't even want to get started on his giving away draft picks. If we had all of our resources and money to solidify other areas, Gase would have a much different product on the field. But regardless, no coach is or ever has won with Cutler behind center.
     
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    I'm not sure you can conclude that Gase is the problem when he pulls off a 100+ passer rating with Tannehill over a decent stretch of games last year, and has to suffer through the horrors of Jay Cutler's performance this year.

    That sort of contaminates the sample.
     
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    That's a pretty stupid comment considering guys like Andy Reid, Sean McVey, and Doug Pederson call the plays for their teams and don't have a problem being on the sidelines. The bigger problem is Gase is a terrible playcaller and wasn't that good as an OC to begin with. Peyton Manning was the true OC in Denver.
     
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    This season has been one hit after another. First Tanny goes down because he chose to not get surgery and just do rehab. Then Timmons is a no-show for game 1. Then Foerster is discovered to be a coke-head. Meanwhile, Ajayi is a locker room nutcase so we trade him for an open bag of potato chips. Nice motivation for the rest of the team, huh? This team checked out on Gase before the season even started.
     
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    Except that it was Gase who petitioned for Cutler in the first place.
     
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    We're 1 missed San Diego FG from being 3-6.
     
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    True, but at that point, we were still a playoff surprise from last year. The only thing you can really criticize Gase for about this pickup is choosing Cutler over Moore. With a prior year playoff appearance, you have to believe you can repeat, and you have to make moves that show the players you will do the best you can to put them in that position. All we know is that Gase thought Cutler was an upgrade from Moore, which seems now to be true. Also, the reasons given for taking Cutler over Kaepernick actually made sense. In the end, it is a failed experiment, yes, but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t worth a shot.
     
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    I feel ya, its been bad this year, but worse than phailbins? I dunno about that
     

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