Interesting Stat from watching Thursday Night Football

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  1. sambrinson

    sambrinson Rookie

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    The Dolphins are second in the league for points scored on their opening drive. They're second only to the Philadelphia Eagles.

    What do you take from this?

    IMO it means the playcalling starts out agressive and we put points up. Then after we put points up our playcalling goes conservative. Just from watching the games, I've noticed this since '08 when the new regime came in and Henning started calling plays.
     
  2. Pinkboy

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    What do I make of it ?

    It means the Dolphins script their plays on the first drive and practice it all week.

    But we have a moron for a head coach and an other at OC who have absolutely no "feel" for the game and how to adjust in-game.

    Thankfully the Raiders have a coaching staff that is just as inept and played us in man-to-man the entire game.. They're the only team this year to have done so., The only other team was the packers, they played us in man but they adjusted at halftime. The scouting report on the dolphins is to play them in zone as Henne has always had trouble against it, but again, the raiders ignored it.

    It also helped that Nnamdi played with a very bad ankle and missed half the game - plus having a horrible corner there who was a rookie 5th round pick in McFadden helped us greatly. Not to mention their 3rd nickel CB didn't play either and was out.

    There are many factors involved as to why the Dolphins offense looked better last week. That won't happen every week though, as we've seen already this season.
     
  3. Chubby

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    Changing his Depends is about the only half time adjustments Henning implements.
    Chubbs
     
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    yea i think it shows that our OC has no ability to change his game plan according to what the defense is giving us.... does anyone else get frustrated that our first half always looks like the second half we never make any game adjustments great teams can make changes.

    i may be in the minority here but i like T. Sporano I think he has the tools to be a good coach but he is still gun shy at pulling the triggers on guys like henning cause he just had B parcells finally let go of the strings. This team def has the talent to be better than 6-5 but we need to be able to make adjustments against the good teams to be able to get over the hump and beat them.

    but i do think it is time for henning to go... just look what a coach can do i.e. nolan and the D. other than dansby we really didnt have many changes but he schemes well with the talent we have and can make ADJUSTMENTS....
     
  6. burger13

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    we have scored 105 1st half points, and 97 second half points.....a difference of less than 1 pt per game.

    we don't score enough points.....but it's not a case of the other team making better adjustments, the split is almost equal.
     
  7. Pinkboy

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    that's an elementary way of looking at things because there are so many variables and factors involved in a football game. IE- The split was equal against Minny but we scored a TD on our fist drive and we had a defensive TD thanks to Wake and Misi later in the 2nd half. The offense went into hibernation after that first drive.

    Something you're totally ignoring is what about the other drives in the first half aside from the first drive ? It's just faulty logic to use such a sample size. You want a sample size that's a better indicator ??...

    If the Dolphins kept their opening drive trend throughout entire games on every drive, and scored at the same rate on every drive, they wouldn't be near the bottom in points scored this year... I guarantee you that. The problem is the Dolphins and Sparano are horrible at countering after another team counters them. They do not have the ability to look 2 steps ahead. Hell, the Dolphins don't even have an answer in their playbook when another team doubles their alpha receiver.

    That's how sad it is.

    It doesn't take a genius to realize that this offensive coaching staff is rock bottom in the league at making adjustments through the course of games.. watch other teams play and compare your notes.
     
  8. NJPHINFAN79

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    I totally agree we dont score enough points..... we def kick to many field goals.

    But where we disagree is in adjustments.

    something was working in those opening drives that the d could not stop (yes they were practiced i get it) but this is a pro team they should be able to execute all the plays....
    The problem is when the def makes changes to what we were sucessful with in the opening drives we diont counter and change what we are doing.... this hard nosed mentality is great when u over power teams and can just say FU beat us....

    this team is not there yet.. thus we need to be able to make some changes on the fly and keep the def on its heels scheme wise and henning is not getting it done period!!!

    If u look at what nolan has done with the talent that we have on D (really only big name that we didnt have last year is Dansby) it shows u what schemes and adjustments can do

    Thoughs??
     
  9. burger13

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    yes, it is a very simplistic way of looking at things....but so it 'we are 2nd in the league in points on opening drives' as that stat doesn't take into account things like getting the ball on the Pitts 20 yd line to start the game, not moving a yard, but getting 3 points.

    ....but if it were a case where a lack of adjustments were as bad as you are saying, I would expect a much bigger difference between what we are able to do before halftime and after halftime.

    Personally I think that Henning gets too much blame. I think it's easier for fans to blame the offensive coordinator than the players. If the players are executing better, Henning would look a hell of a lot better. Do I think he's a great OC? no. Do I think he could be doing a better job? Absolutely. Do I think he's the worst in the league like seems to be the consensus? No.
     
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    It really shocks me that people can't put the brunt of the blame on this offensive coaching staff.

    Let me remind you, we just had 4 defensive players on various opposing teams this year tell us that they knew exactly what we were going to run on offense.. Our calls based on our formations are some of the most predictable in the league !!!

    I mean, seriously.. how can you not see it ?
     
  11. burger13

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    I do put most of the blame on the offensive coaching staff....but not all of it.

    People just seem too quick to whine and cry about playcalls when they don't work and ignore execution.

    The thing from the Titans game where Finnegan (it was him, right) said he was telling BM the routes.....was eye-opening. I don't recall 4 instances of this, when were they?

    We're 28th in the league in scoring so obviously there are problems. I just don't agree that Dan Henning and adjustments/lack of adjustments are the only problem.
     
  12. Pinkboy

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    ps- just to show how you can't use such a sample size, and that there's so many variables and factors involved in a game.... the dolphins got a very easy 7 points in the 2nd half on the ricky run vs the Raiders.. The Raiders D were on the field for over 40 minutes and were gassed and worn down. They were going at half speed on that TD by ricky.

    Thanks in part to the dolphins defense shutting the raiders offense down, allowing our offense on the field immediately throughout the game for that huge time of possession advantage.. the raiders ran 4 plays or less on their first 8 possessions !

    contrary to popular belief, the dolphins didn't run the ball well before that 45 yard run by ricky.,. they only averaged 3.5 yards per carry on 46 carries before that TD run.. that's below average. Look at the worst rushing teams in the league and that's around where they average.

    Henne did make some nice throws on some 3rd downs to keep some drives alive though.
     
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    ....but the sample size of 11 drives (the first drive of every game) has meaning??? Are you going to say that Miami's offensive coaching staff is the 2nd best in the entire league at scripting the first x offensive plays?? You seem willing to use this stat against them.

    My point is, if we are consistently failing at making adjustments, wouldn't you expect that there would be a more drastic difference between how we score before halftime and after halftime (assuming that halftime affords the greatest oppritunity for adjustment)?
     
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    I agree we weren't as effective running as was generally perceived.....

    Yet their commitment to the run, although it wasn't gashing them, helped wear down their defense and help keep them on the field and help set up some managable 3rd downs....where the playcalls weren't bad enough to keep Henne from converting them. :)

    Imagine our defense had collapsed and the Raiders had come back, or Ricky fumbled going through the line on that 47th carry....and the Raiders return it for a TD and recover an onside kick.....everyone here would have killed Sparano and Henning for running it so much and not throwing more....
     
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    Burger, i suggest you read this.. maybe you missed it.

    we have such an inept offensive coaching staff that we don't even have an answer when a team decides to double an alpha receiver. Talk about elementary.

    This is how horrible this coaching staff is at adjusting. Sparano and Henning belong at the high school level of coaching football.

     
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    thanks, I hadn't seen that.

    maybe there's truth to it...

    again, we are 28th in scoring so it is impossible to say that Henning is doing a good job. I just refuse to say that all of the offensive problems lie with the coaching staff. Good execution could make almost any gameplan look good, and poor execution is going to kill any gameplan. At some point the players need to make plays.
     
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    The point of the OC though is to be able to help the offense as much as possible, so even if they don't execute 100% of the time they can recover. This offense cannot do that, and I firmly believe it is Henning's retarded play calls.
     
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    If that is the case...THEN WHY THE **** do we not start with the ball and try to take a lead!!! Why are we ALWAYS choosing to kick off first.
     
  19. sambrinson

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    I believe the stat is referring to the first time we have the ball as opposed to the very first drive of the game. If they get the ball first, then we get it, then our first possession still factors into this stat.
     
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    So the Dolphins are the only team who script their first drive and practice it all week? Oh wait, every team in the league does that! So that is not the reason we are one of the best on our frist drive now is it?
     
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    Miami ...205 points scored
    defense... 6 points scored
    safety...2 points scored
    Carpenter's leg...95 points scored
    PURE OFFENSE...102 POINTS SCORED
     
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    I think its one of our little successes because every team scripts their first bunches of plays to score 6 every time.

    What it may mean, if I understand the stat right, is that our D and others could be stopping other teams more than they are stopping us.

    The only stat in the end to care about though is wins/losses.
     
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    Either..

    a) The Dolphins coaching staff has difficulty making adjustments as the game progresses.

    b) The Dolphins players are out of shape, and wear down later in the game.
     

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