Ireland mentioned in USA Today story on alleged NFL illegal interview practices

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  1. z926538

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    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ientation-nick-kasa-scouting-combine/1951857/

    FYI: Jeff Ireland was mentioned today in a story by Christine Brennan in USA Today discussing alleged illegal interview practices by NFL teams. The quote follows:

    "This isn't the first time an NFL team has done something ridiculous at the combine. In 2010, Miami Dolphins general manager Jeff Ireland asked Oklahoma State's Dez Bryant if his mother was a prostitute. When that got out, it didn't go over very well either. (Bryant was selected 24th overall by the Dallas Cowboys.)"
     
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    IMO, these questions aren't real questions. I don't think anyone really cares if someone's mother is a prostitute, or if someone's into the same sex. I think it's more to see how the player reacts to these questions, and how they would react when taunted on the field
     
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    I honestly think the Dez story was overblown. I completely think that was a way to measure his attitude.

    Now, asking about sexuality is expressly forbidden by the law.
     
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    Christine Brennan. Keep grinding that ax.

    I think these questions are getting asked because losing and ****ing up gets you fired in this league in a blink of an eye. Teams are asking these questions that appear over the top, but in the team's mind it is due diligence. Perhaps the teams need to take a step back and put it in perspective. However, I do not think they are asking these questions out of ignorance, it is simply they want to get a pick right.
     
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    Irregardless of the motive of the questions, both the league offices and the NFL player union are in complete agreement that all national, state and local employment laws must be followed by the teams. If you have ever been in a position where you have interviewed a potential employee, you are made aware by HR that there are certain questions you can not ask because they are against the law to ask. Questions regarding sexual orientation are on that list.
     
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    I don't mind articles mentioning the 2010 Bryant/Ireland situation as a relation to what apparently happened at this year's combine. The Ireland situation happened, it was unfortunate, but it will always be on the minds of people when something like this happens.

    However, I have seen some people already start trying to connect Ireland to this specific situation. No facts, sources or reports, they just take this story as an attempt to try and bash Ireland even more. These individuals apparently have a monthly quota to meet so they will go to the bottom of the barrel to do so. Now I am not saying this thread or the OP is doing that, not at all. I saw one member already make an off topic post in another thread trying to connect Ireland to it and there was one individual on Twitter that went on a big rant about Ireland and this latest story. Even started convincing others that Ireland was indeed the center of the story. Until I hear otherwise, this is a NFL issue and has nothing to do with Ireland or the Miami Dolphins.
     
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    If I implied in my original post that Jeff Ireland was being accused of illegal activity I apologize. My only intent was to bring the fact that Ireland was tangentially mentioned in the article to the attention of the message board.
     
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    No need to apologize, I even mentioned that you and this thread are not the type of people I am talking about.
     
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    And? Got much of an Agenda?

    Amusingly his mother ended up causing problems in his career anyway, way to go Dez, show you deserve better than questions like that.
     
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    I am confident in predicting there is more then a couple that will try and connect the Dolphins to this. It was unfortunate what happened in 2010 but I am sure the front office is very well versed in the laws regarding the questioning of someones sexuality. Still, some people will jump to the wrong conclusion.
     
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    I strongly agree with the portion of your post regarding people attempting to make more of this than is there. Ireland to the best of my knowledge has not been accused of asking illegal questions at this year's combine. For anyone to try to blow up the mention of the Bryant incident in this article into an accusation that Ireland has broken the law is irresponsible in my opinion.
     
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    I honestly don't know why people feel that Ireland was wrong in the Dez Bryant "incident". Bryant said that his father was a pimp, and that his mother worked for his father. Bryant offered this information freely, so evidently he was not offended by their "line of work". He probably didn't take offense at Ireland's question, since it was a logical assumption that his mom was a prostitute. It seems like everyone else (who had no involvement in this interview) are the ones who are in an uproar.

    For all of you who feel that Ireland was way out of line, did you grow up in a neighborhood where pimps, hookers, junkies, crack-heads, etc. were abundant? I did. Some kids from my neighborhood did good, while others are constantly in and out of prison. If I'm a GM considering signing someone from a low-income or any other kind of troubled background, I'd want to know everything. NFL players are similar to the kids from my youth as they got older... the ones who get caught up in trouble are usually the ones who remain close with the low-lifes from their past, no matter whether they're friends or family.
     
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    When someone tells you their dad is a pimp and their mom works for their dad, you accept it at face value and move on to more relevant lines of questioning. I think Dez Bryant is a grade A ****head, but come on, even he deserves that small measure of basic courtesy.
     
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    That's a good point, and well put. From my perspective, I see no reason for Bryant to be offended by the question. After hearing the info about Bryant's parents, Ireland probably blurted out the question without thinking (as it is a natural assumption), even though it really didn't need to be asked. It's like watching your grandmother pull cookies out of the oven, and then asking if she made them. Well, DUH!
     
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    One of Christine's interview question for the USA job...

    Hey Christine, are those melons real?

    Why yes, yes they are.. go ahead and touch them for yourself.

    Wow, they are real, you definitely got the job...

    By the way, what does your mother do?

    Oh, ah, she is a Madam.
     
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    I usually feel a lot dumber after reading USA Today...
     
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    I would be shocked if the Dolphins are involved on the sexuality front. First of all, Joe Philbin is a class act. He may be a disciplinarian but he handles himself well.

    There are obviously a high volume of dumb asses in the NFL culture. Filbin is not one of them. And Ireland has learned his lesson.
     
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    Where Ireland went wrong:

    Dez: "My dad was a pimp and my mama worked for him."

    Jeff (on a Mulligan): "Did your mom get paid in rocks or just $5 bills??"
     
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    This current situation with Nick Kasa is extremely similar to the situation that occurred with Jeff Ireland and Dez Bryant.

    1. Both questions are highly, highly inappropriate questions

    2. Both questions could be "explained" as merely rational extensions of (slightly) less absurd lines of prior questioning

    3. Both questions imply that the answer to said question matters in the evaluation and therefore you may discriminate against the candidate based on something over which he has no control.
     
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    I hope the NFL does crack down on inappropriate questions, Im not sure why some fans think that the NFL shouldnt be subject to the same responsibilities that every other company has when questioning.
    Ireland as a professional was wrong in any case for asking if Bryant's mother was a prostitute, its an irrelevent question that has nothing to do with Bryant as a football player. That being said its in the past and everyone seems to be over it and Im sure Ireland has learned from his mistake. Im over it and I dont hold it against Ireland we all make mistakes(now the rest of resume as GM here I do hold against him). I hope whatever team is questioning people's sexuality gets a stern fine, for some reason I doubt that its the dolphins.

    I dont get fans that think that somehow the NFL is not subject to the same standards when interviewing people that any other company is because of money involved. The money is all relative. I personally understand if I get asked certain questions because its a matter of national security in my job and even then certain questions are out of bounds.
     
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    wahhh wahhh, people are still crying in the media about Dez Bryant and his hooker mother.

    Ireland wasn't wrong. The Bryant family is filth. He needed to make sure that if we drafted the kid he wouldnt get into any issues because of his mom

    and alas, she is causing his crazy self problems, especially when he pimp slapped her.

    seriously though, if you tell someone that your dad is a pimp and your mom works for him, what else is there to believe?
     
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    just hope u never have to interview anybody for a company lol. How did that question determine anything about Bryant. None of his issues have came from his mom and in actuality he has had no major issues and is damn good nfl receiver,
     
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    but how often do people interview for multi million dollar jobs? the "interviews" aren't an interview, its a team talking to a player granted by the league, HR has nothing to do with it, but if you want to call it an interview, the HIRING process is different and more complex so the INTERVIEWS must be as well

    i had NO problem with it when Ireland asked Bryant about his mom, i LAUGHED, and look how long it took for Dez to get his act together...what 4-5 years??? QUESTION was warrented.


    EMPTY BARRELS make the most noise, point blank,
     
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    Maybe Dez shouldn't have been so transparently forthcoming with his replies. It's obvious that he's far from the sharpest knife in the drawer, as evidenced by the way he let that yahoo hack Adam Silver exploit this question to sensationalize it for his own aggrandizement - never realizing that going public would out his felon, previously jailed mommy as a crack whore.

    Perhaps Dez should have been more diplomatic: "My mom's a poultry farmer - over the years she's raised 1000s of cocks" ya think?

     
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    Both this time and when Ireland asked Dez are both wholly inappropriate. You are representing our team and a multimillion dollar company in the NFL and you do not know that asking such things is wrong. It boggles the mind to think that these "professionals" and some of the forum goers here think that these cases are alright. There are other ways to get a rise out of players in the interview process if that is what they wanted, this was just BS pure and simple.
     
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    people with all kinds of parents wind up all kinds of ways. Its easy to joke at Bryant's expense but Im sure many football players have less than stellar families they grew up with and still turned into productive people.
    The same could be said of some people from so called stellar familes. My mom love her to death had a drinking problem as I grew up and yet somehow I have never had a drinking problem or any other problem with law. Im pretty sure if a company had asked me if she was a drunk it would have been a pretty useless question. The army trusts me with million dollar equipment and actual weapons and they seemed less than interested if my mom was a drunk.
     
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    Its silly to act like they ask these questions to get a rise out of people, I mean why not say racial crap to see what happens and then justify it lol. Hopefully the team( not the dolphins) that is asking sexuality questions gets a hefty fine.
     
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    So let me get this straight if a job has a salary over a certain amount National Labor Laws do not have to be followed in the interview process?
     
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    A TE told reporters that he was asked by a team if he was gay. The NFL is looking into it and there might be punishments. Obviously sexual orientation shouldn't have any bearing on a persons draft stock. $20 says it was Ireland.
     
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    False. Not true. Nothing fact based here. Some states allow it and others don't. Its a states matter. The ATL Falcons can ask such a question, but a team in California can't.
     
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    In RIght to Work states, you can be hired and fired for any reason under the sun.
     
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    This is absolutely classic.. : ))))
     
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    thats extreme but lets take Dez, whats the difference between him reacting badly and whining whern ireland says his mom is a "poultry farmer"-(Credit Vaark) or someone in a bar or a club, and subsequently the man no matter how justified ends up in the hospital because Dez couldnt keep his composure?? now the team would have a million dollar investment in a man thats in jail...THATS the point,
     
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    There is no point, that could happen to anybody, hell I guess Ireland did not ask Koa Misi the right question lol. Ireland is no expert on human nature , he should just as the logical questions that are pertinent
     
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    no Ireland follows through with the league norm, its not only Ireland asking the dumb ignorant "foreland" type questions its across the board, Dez just wanted to cry to the media about it
     
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    Yea how dare he spotlight us for an ignorant question> I doubt its the league norm but Im sure Ireland is not the only stupid gm that has done it
     
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    you nor I can say that for sure, but based on reports that this kid was asked about his sexuality pretty much confirms that it is more of a norm than not....

    tell the truth we can be a 13-3 team and you would still be bitter that Ireland is the Gm...
     
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    What the f would I have to be bitter about, but the reality is he is a norm 7-9 gm.
    As for it being norm the kid did not say all teams asked about his sexuality.
    I have already said Im over the Ireland flub, I dislike him for his failure here not a mistake made in an interview
     

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