Is Devlin still on the team??

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  1. Dolphan5876

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    I have heard a lot of people talking about getting Manning and drafting another QB. Is Devlin good enough to be the 3'rd QB. Everyone knew he was on the PS, but you never really heard anything else about him, besides the fact that he scored higher than anyone else in the Gruden QB science project. Did we ever get an honest assesment of him?
     
  2. J Tes

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    Devlin has no arm strength and he knows it so he's scared to make throws
     
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    he has been looking to breakthrough and rise above the competition this year despite being on the bottom of the list of very talented, star studded qb's.
    chad henne
    kevin oconnell
    matt moore
    sage rosenfels
    jp losman

    i think 2012 will be his breakout year. i can foresee devlin, kory sheets and roberto wallace leading us into very bright future for many many years to come.
     
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    julius pruitt, jeron mastrud, nolan carrol should be added to the list. maybe we can even bring back donald thomas, joey haynos, and nate ness
     
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    Roberto Wallace is a beast, We goin to the Superbowl! In my madden franchise.
     
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    Yep you are right on target......he's got a weak arm, so he has very little upside at all.
     
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    Sounds like what someone would have said about 7th rounder Flynn also, before the feeding frenzy, eh?
     
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    Even Brady, when he was coming out, the word on him was he was very smart, tall, adequate arm strength, but nothing special, and could manage any offense. With some work, could be a very good backup.....how did that workout for all the teams that passed on him.
     
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    are you suggesting the packers have been hiding tom brady on the bench for 4 years?
     
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    How do you know this? Besides arm strength is not everything. There are many attributes more important than arm strength: accuracy, timing, confidence/poise, leadership, winning ability, competitiveness (especially under pressure), mental skill, ability to make good decisions in game situations, etc. Every quarterback in the NFL has decent enough arm strength or they would not even have gotten that far. I hear Chad Henne has great arm strength--if that's what you are looking for. They said that Pennington had "noodle arm," but look what he did for us.
     
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    arm strength will better your accuracy and timing.

    as for penny and what he did for us , heres the highlights to the playoff game, in case you missed it.
    [video]http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-playoffs/09000d5d80de3994/NFL-GameDay-Dolphins-vs-Ravens-highlights[/video]
     
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    How is arm strength more important than accuracy? What good is it to have strength without accuracy? That playoff game was only one game, what about the rest of the season? You can't win and play perfect in every game. Pennington brought this franchise back from the DEAD in one year.
     
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    i said ,having arm strength will better your accuracy and timing.

    pennington was playing when we were dead right? then came the wildcat. yeah we beat 1 team w/ a winning record and a bunch of nailbiters against the pathetic teams like the niners,broncos,raiders ,seahawks, rams, chiefs and bills twice. and then played a real team and penny blew it, like he did the next year with an 0-3 start.
     
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    I never said that you have to have a strong arm to succeed. BUT, you better have some confidence in it and not be scared to make throws. Devlin has no arm and he knows it. You don't have to believe me, watch him play and then get back to me.
     
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    We were 1-15 and the laughing stock of the league. Winning 9 narrow must win games in a row (no matter who we played against) just to get to the playoffs shows what Pennington was made of. And he was playing with a 1-15 team. We should be glad we even made it to the playoffs (and the East Division Championship) that year. Why are you faulting him for losing the BAltimore playoff game? He tried to carry the team on his shoulders. Poor blocking, no running game, poor tackling, and he was still competitive 25-38 keeping us still fighting when we were really done 13-3 at halftime and struggling running, blocking, and defense. Hard to make completions when there is no blocking and no receivers getting open, while having to keep passing on 3rd and long all the time. I think Flacco only completed 10 out of twentysomething passes and they still kepts scoring on us as we kept giving up big plays on defense.
     
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    I highly doubt that Devlin's arm is as weak as Matt Flynn's rag arm. Sure Devlin doesn't have a howitzer for an arm but his arm is at least decent.
     
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    from what I hear, his weak arm has killed his confidence
     
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    When did you watch him play? The last time I saw him play was late in the 4th quarter in the last preseason game where he went 4 for 4 and drove us down to the 1 yard line with must poise and no sacks. I really don't think he lacks confidence. I know that he was at the top of the list of almost every QB stat his senior year, so he must not be terrible.
     
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    Arm Strength and Accuracy are two COMPLETELY different things.

    With all due respect, that is a ridiculous statement!
     
  20. Daytona Fin

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    no sh## sherlock. tell me who is going to be better throwing a 30 yard pass between 2 defenders on the sidelines , the guy w/ the noodle arm and accuracy or the guy w/ arm strength and accuracy?
     
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    You make the call
    Here's a video from a collection of games in 2010:
    [video=youtube;OkPzmE0__7A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkPzmE0__7A[/video]

    Here is a feature on ESPN:
    [video=youtube;EOBxUdi3glQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOBxUdi3glQ&feature=related[/video]

    Here is one more from the combine:
    [video=youtube;Jlp5keajRiE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jlp5keajRiE&feature=related[/video]

    Personally, I think, if we are truly going to a WCO, Devlin would thrive.
     
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    Were the Patriots hiding Brady when he was on the bench for them for 2 years?

    1st off I am not saying Flynn is Brady, but like the Patriots, the Packers have no idea what they have on the bench, considering Flynn has yet to start at least 3 games in a season, and finally did you happen to see who is starting for the Packers, very doubtful Flynn will ever start for the Packers other then during injuries, cleanup time, or maybe a game at the end of the season if they have homefield through the playoffs.

    I have a question for you: Do you know for a fact that Flynn can or can never be a franchise QB? The Patriots had plenty of time to start Brady over Bledsoe, yet needed to have Bledsoe go down for the season, before they even gave him a shot. It's tough to know what kind of a QB the backup will be, and it's even tougher when the QB starting on your team is one of best today.
     
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    So what you are telling us, if you were given a choice, you would take a young healthy Jeff George over a young healthy Pennington. Got it
     
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    Thanks DK, awesome videos.
     
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    The deep pass video from the combine shows me he doesn't get enough air under the ball for the wr to make the play. That takes more arm strength. Maybe over the last year he's added strength, Brady made huge strides physically in his first few years. But there was something up with Devlin that had everyone pass on him in the draft.
     
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    yeah, actually there were 2 things: he went during his last season from being a player several teams including the Pats were keeping their eye on to being undrafted largely due to uncharacteristically coming late to his own Pro Day and having a bad showing during the East West Shrine Game. Otherwise he'd likely have been a mid round pick.

    Keep in mind that going UDFA was in essence one round later than Matt Flynn, everyone's popsicle of the month.. surely there was something wrong with him too, right? Damaged goods then translates into damaged goods now, eh?

    Actually, some analogies can be drawn to Jeremy Lin, his going undrafted, the conference he excelled and came from, even the alleged smarts. Who's to say that Devln can't end up amounting to our own version of him where the solution turns out to be sitting at the end of the bench?


     
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    Hopefully Manning/Flynn/RGIII/Tannehill with have something to say. If none of them than Moore will.
     
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    I can bet you that Chad Henne has a stronger arm than Matt Moore and Matt Flynn.
    That said, I would rather have Moore or Flynn.
    Decision making, pocket presence, and throwing the right type of ball in a given situation is more important for success than blowing up the receiver on a dump off with a canon shot.
     
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    Devlin doesn't have elite physical tools.
    IMHO, he made the most of his talent in college. He is lucky to be a practice squad player.
     
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    Being late to your pro day doesn't move you down in the draft. Have a flapping piece of roast for an arm does. The key is he didn't have the arm strength. Does he have it now? He's had a year to work out and get stronger. But last year we opted to have Losman backing up Moore, and that's not exactly a ringing endorsement.
     
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    Make up your g-damn mind Sherlock. You are painting two totally different scenarios.

    Which is it, does Arm Strength= accuracy
    or does
    Arm Strength+Accuracy=a better passer.......Einstein!!!


    EDIT: Wait, I just came accross this Nugget


    Okay, so Arm Strength<Good QB????


    I'm just trying to determine exactly what type of math you are doing, because all three of these posts, all by you in the same thread are all headed completely different directions.

    I get it you don't care for Pat Devlin, but Arm Strength is not the argument you want to make against it...or maybe.....
     
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    Why are there so many Pat Devlin threads on here?
     
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    Sorry about the rambling incoherent post. I have a killer sinus head cold. LOL
    IMHO, my definition of a strong NFL arm is a player that can throw 60-80 yards. A weak arm is 40-60 yards.
    The point I was trying to make was that arm strength is sometimes over rated. Chad Henne has great arm strength. but he sometimes throws to hard making catches more difficult for the receiver. I was using him as an example.
    Flynn and Moore throw a better, more well placed ball than Henne. I would rather have the weaker arm if it means more completions. Timing, placement, and trajectory is more important IMHO.
    Obviously, having great arm strength is preferred, but used in the right situations.

    Regarding Devlin, simply put, he did well in college, but I do not think he will amount to a starting NFL QB.
     
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    The point I was trying to make was that arm strength is sometimes over rated. Chad Henne has great arm strength. but he sometimes throws to hard making catches more difficult for the receiver. I was using him as an example.
    Flynn and Moore throw a better, more well placed ball than Henne. I would rather have the weaker arm if it means more completions. Timing, placement, and trajectory is more important IMHO.
    Regarding Devlin, simply put, he did well in college, but I do not think he will amount to a starting NFL QB.[/QUOTE]

    Sorry brother.

    I blew it in my previous post, I was thinking that Daytona Fin had all three posts. My apologies to both you and he.
     
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    im sorry you dont understand english. its not 2 different scenarios and thats not my post.
     
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    Sorry brother.

    I blew it in my previous post, I was thinking that Daytona Fin had all three posts. My apologies to both you and he.[/QUOTE]

    No worries. I have a killer sinus cold. The post was kind of rambling.
    Bottom line to me is that Pat Devlin is training camp fodder this year.
     
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    Because he is the quarterback that can make us competitive and take us into the playoffs for the next few years.
     
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    I actually liked Devlin a little bit as a developmental prospect, but there's a kid in this draft who I like better by the name of Bo Levi Mitchell. He severely outgunned Pat Devlin in the FCS National Championship Game last year, the final game of Devlin's career... and he did it without a Taiwan Jones and a running game.

    Bo Levi Mitchell has legitimate physical tools to develope on your roster. I think he'll be playing in the NFL down the road, I'm not sure about Pat Devlin.
     
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    Did he leave SMU because Jones left? I have a concern about his height(6/0.5 - 6/1)and he plays in the spread. I am not saying that you can not make it coming out of the spread, but the track record in the NFL is not great. With that said, I like his athletic ability and mobility. He definitely has an arm. His comment about thinking he most resembles Brees is spot on. The first thing I thought when I watched the video is that he reminded me of Brees.

    [video=youtube;W7n0QK_FERs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7n0QK_FERs[/video]

    [video=youtube;o1gXphxt1q4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1gXphxt1q4&amp;feature=related[/video]

    Here is a video of their 2010 championship:

    [video=youtube;qW4ShzTDLF4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW4ShzTDLF4&amp;feature=related[/video]
     
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    He left SMU because he felt like he lost his starting job due to injury, rather than poor play. He had already been the starter for a season and a half until he got his shoulder knocked out of socket against Houston I believe it was. He popped his shoulder back into socket himself and tried to go back in the game, the trainers of course would not let him. He ended up losing his job to Kyle Padron and decided to transfer to E. Washington because he wanted to play football for what was left of his final 2 years.

    I think he compares himself to Brees not only because of the height and style they play, but also that Brees lost his job in San Diego due to a shoulder injury in a way, and was redeemed elsewhere by winning a championship. Which is the same thing Bo Levi Mitchell accomplished.

    Mitchell played in a traditional I-form offense in high school where he set records and went undefeated winning a state title. It was actually an adjustment for him to go play in June Jones spread offense at SMU.

    He's certainly an underdog to ever make it in the NFL, which is why he's viewed as a developmental prospect. The difference is that he has a superior arm and ability to spin the football over most developmental prospects, no matter how tall they are. He appears to have a clutch gene in him, which was apparent in the title game vs. Delaware. He also lit up the Washington Huskies defense in the 1st game of the season to the tune of 473 yards and 3 TD's.... playing with scrubs and rejects all around him. For comparison sake, Robert Griffin III faced the same Huskies defense in the bowl game and threw for 295 yards and 1 TD.... with legitimate NFL weapons around him.

    The spread system is always something to consider, but you have to consider it for most all these prospects. Most of them are coming out of spread systems.

    Mitchell showed very well in my opinion in the NFLPA All Star Game earlier in January. Bo Levi Mitchell and B.J. Coleman are two of the developmental quarterbacks that started their careers at the D-1 level and finished at the FCS level that I think have legitimate tools to develope.

    They're not guaranteed anything, nobody is. But at least they have the physical talent to potentially stick on an NFL roster. A few of these more popular QB prospects don't.
     

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