Is this why i should hate ireland and we get rid of him ??

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  1. CRAZYDOLFAN305

    CRAZYDOLFAN305 We Are Still Going To The SB

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    Defense is completely intact, now whether you want to say if they are any good, that's your call. But I'll go position by position, and since you want to put the failures on him for all 5 years, although he didn't have full control until the last two, that's fine, lets see out of 22 starting positions, how many glaring holes, we have and you are welcome to disagree with, because I'm not saying I'm right at all.

    LE- Jared Odrick (1st Rounder Who has shown Promise in his rookie year)
    DT-Starks (3rd Rounder, Didn't draft him, but did sign this Probowler)
    DT-Paul Solia(4th Rounder, Ireland Didn't Draft him, but he sure did resign him for a modest contract for a Pro-Bowl 6'4 350 DT)
    RE-Cam Wake(Undrafted Outbid all other teams in got this No name kid from Canada, Probowler,, actually ranks Wake as the league’s best 3-4 outside linebacker- yes, better than DeMarcus Ware, Clay Matthews, James Harrison, Tamba Hali and several other big-name players who will likely earn the trip to Hawaii this year over Wake.) while also showing great improvement in his play against the run. Not my bias homerism here just facts. Drew 13 holding penalties in 2011, more than any other player by far. Ireland Resigned him with a near flawless contract.

    SLB- Koa Missi (2nd Rounder, who started well in his rookie and has since fell off, the jury is still out on him, but Coyle has been on record saying he has been good, and he has had a decent pre-season so far) He is one of the better edge setter I've seen in awhile, which makes since because of his raw power. I can't recall, who said it but running into KOA Misi is like running into a break wall or something to that effect. But you can come to your own conclusion on him because he just hasn't shown to be a playmaker or consistent enough.
    WLB-Mr. Kevin Burnett,(2nd Rounder, F.A. Acquisition, probably had the best season for a F.A. inside LB stat wise last year.
    ILB- Karlos Dansby (2nd Rounder F.A. Acq After showing up out of shape last year, when he finally did get into shape, he was a top 10 if not top 5 Inside LB. Needless to say if he's healthy he is one of the best Lb in the Game.)

    CB- Richard Marshall (2nd Rounder Have yet to miss a game in his entire career. Ken Winsenhunt was very sad to see him go, he's ranked as the number one tackling CB in the league last year)
    CB-Sean Smith- (2nd Rounder Have all the potential in the world. Tends to play soft at time, but so far has shown vast improvement. This is a make or break year for him we shall see, is there out. He's a second rd pick, so the talent is there.

    FS- Chris Clemons (5th Rounder Former Starter who played well during his only year starting, didn't make to many big plays, but played well)
    SS- Reshad Jones, (5th Rounder After a shaky start, came back from his injury and played well to end the season, he probably have had the best camp among the secondary players)

    So out of the Starting 11 of on Defense, the secondary seems to have the biggest question marks, but luckily for us they are all young fast with tons of experience. So it seems to me that Ireland has covered the entire Defense in his five years. Yes we got off to a horrible start, but I must remind you that we finished 3rd Against the run, 6th Points Allowed, and 3rd in sacks. So that's 11 Positions On Defense in my OPINION that's covered.

    Now, on Offense

    LT-Jake Long (1st Round Selection Pro-Bowl)
    LG-Richie Incognito(3rd Rounder, F.A acquisition '2011, Adequate for now, but every team needs a guy like this on their team. Now are there better guards out there? Absoutely. But he's penciled in as the starter, and I don' think he is a liability)
    C- Mike Pouncey (1st Rounder Ireland got killed for drafting him, but all he did was start every game as a rookie, and was a pro-bowl alternate, which is voted on by players and coaches, not fans)
    RG-John Jerry (3rd Rounder Draft Pick, play well to end the season, but has struggled during camp. Played better recently, but who know's with him, Question Mark)
    RT-Jonathin Martin (2nd Rounder with first round talent, Big Question mark, this position in my opinion, Ireland should have done everything in his power to upgrade and now count on a converted LT)

    WR-1 ???? (Who)
    WR-2 Hartline (4th Rounder, Hurt, either way has shown flashes when he's gotten the opportunity, Question Mark
    WR3- Bess (Undrafted, Ireland was the only person to give him a chance, and he has turn into a top 5 SLOT RECEIVER in my Opinion.)
    WR4- Clyde Gates (4th Rounder, who was the FASTEST WR in the combine last year, finished top 10 in KR as a rookie. Question Mark to make the team this year)

    TE-(2nd Round, What you see with Fasano is what you get. One of the best Blocking TE in the league, and with the exception of the nightmarish 2009 decent, has been pretty decent for us, could we have found a more explosive Tight End absolutely. But he's solidify his position)
    HB/FB/TE(5th Rounder, Had a good rookie campaign, need to see if he improves or not, but has shown flashes.)

    QB(1st Round, first round Qb drafted by Dolphins since Dan, looks to have all the physical tools you want in a Qb, starting right away.
    QB(Undrafted F.A., Ireland got destroyed last year for not signing Orton or trading for Kolb, and all Moore did was probably the best F.A. Qb pick up last year for a Qb who finished the league as the 12th Rated passer. Since we haven't got consistent play from this position in forever, you can put a huge Question mark here as well.

    RB-Reggie Bush (1st round, traded for him when no one else wanted to for a bag of peanuts and a safety that was probably not going to make the team. All Reggie did was lead the league in yards per Carry at a healthy clip of 5.0 yards, and has now become of the leaders of this team. And this is after we decided to not over pay for Ahmad Bradshaw or DeAngelo Williams)
    RB-Daniel Thomas (2nd Rounder, started last year well, until injuries got the best of him. Has looked darn good so far in the pre-season)
    FB-J. Lane (Street F.A., former college standout, who was born to be a fullback.)


    SO LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT IM SUPPOSE TO HATE THIS MAN BECAUSE OF OUT 22 STARTING POSITIONS, IN HIS 3RD FULL YEAR IN CONTROL, HE HAS FAIL TO SOLIDIFIED 1 STARTING CALIBER WIDE RECEIVER? AND MAYBE A RG AND RT, SO THAT 3 OUT OF 22 SO EVERYTHING ELSE HE HAS DONE IS MEANINGLESS AND I'M SUPPOSE TO WANT TO GET RID OF HIM, AND I'M THE DELUSIONAL HOMER.

    AFTER THIS TEAM GOT IN SHAPE AND IT'S HEAD OUT ITS *** NO ONE WANTED TO PLAY THE DOLPHINS WE ENDED THE SEASON 6-3

    You can disagree with me on the players we have on the roster that's fine, but it's my honest opinion, from what I've seen here in the past, we have the most complete team set up for the future since god knows when. Now, loaded with next year's draft picks 1st, 2 Seconds, 2 Thirds, and One Fourth, and $50 Million dollars in Cap Space we wont be able to add a #1 WR, RG or RT.
    Hey Rome wasn't build in one day and it sure as hell wasn't build in three or 5 years either, it actually took 500 years to build rome, but that's for another convo.
     
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  2. fishfan34

    fishfan34 2008 AFC EASTERN DIVISION CHAMPIONS!

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    Well said! While yes, we can disagree on the effectiveness of some of the players who will probably make up the roster, I feel like the wheels are still on the vehicle and the vehicle is still moving down the track in the right direction.
     
  3. Travis34

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    Did this post from the thread you JUST posted it in deserve its own thread too?
     
  4. oasis

    oasis Lost in the fog

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    I don't favor Ireland, but I don't have this gut-wrenching abhorrence for him either that some have. I think he's probably not a great evaluator of WR talent (or rather, he can't balance the problems that #1 receivers tend to present vs. their ability), and that has manifested itself the way it has at the position.

    Add to the fact that our coaching staff the last few years was not great at developing WRs.
     
  5. CRAZYDOLFAN305

    CRAZYDOLFAN305 We Are Still Going To The SB

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    Yes, did I do something wrong?
     
  6. CRAZYDOLFAN305

    CRAZYDOLFAN305 We Are Still Going To The SB

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    Fair Enough! If only Marshall wasn't born with Borderline Personality Disorder, which apparently is Ireland's fault as well. Or Chad didn't beat up his wife, or Dez wasn't such a head case.
     
  7. TarHeelFinFan

    TarHeelFinFan Goodness Gracious Great Balls of Fire

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    As Ireland's mentor said, you are what your record is. This team's record under Ireland's management is ****ing abysmal. That's why his *** should be fired.
     
  8. fakespike

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    Fact of the matter is: most of those 22 players you listed are straight up sh!t. You can talk up Clemons, Jones, Gates, Misi etc all you want, they are still mediocre nfl players.
     
  9. CRAZYDOLFAN305

    CRAZYDOLFAN305 We Are Still Going To The SB

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    You're right! So excluding them, out of 22 we are now down, to 18 positions that are solidified? and Including The lack of a true #1, RG and RT, we are down to just 15 out of 22? Am I reading that right ? Or Am I missing more?
     
  10. TarHeelFinFan

    TarHeelFinFan Goodness Gracious Great Balls of Fire

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    Exactly right. There's a reason we lost 10 games last year, and the reason is most of those guys suck donkey balls. Fans of teams tend to overrate their own players and that's what Crazy's doing here.
     
  11. 67Stang

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    That is great if mediocre at best is your goal. He sucks, he has a bad reputation around the league which I think keeps some people from even visiting, and he is a freaking A-Hole in general.
     
  12. tylerdolphin

    tylerdolphin More Smug than Birthday Dog Moderator Finheaven VIP

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    So our roster is full of talent yet we cant compile a winning season? Color me confused.
     
  13. CRAZYDOLFAN305

    CRAZYDOLFAN305 We Are Still Going To The SB

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    Please tell me how I am overacting them and I will retract my statements and correct it accordingly. Is the fact that I said we are returning a Defense that was 6th in Points scored against, 3rd against the rush, third in sacks? Did I say they were a great Defense? Or how about on offense, what did I say in my positional breakdown of the offense did I get wrong?, did I say we were the next greatest show on turf?
     
  14. CRAZYDOLFAN305

    CRAZYDOLFAN305 We Are Still Going To The SB

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    Maybe some of it had to do with Coaching? Or the fact that some of the Defensive players didn't get in shape last year. You can have a talented team and other circumstances can dictate why you are not winning, just ask the 2010 49ers. And Ty, you are not confused I'm not going to argue with you if you believe this roster is not a talented roster. Like you said, if they have shown it on the field, it's pretty hopeless anyways. I was just tying to gauge how many holes have Ireland filled, or has he done absolutely credit worthy since he's taken over. But, point well taken.
     
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    In 5 years, we don't have a receiver that would be a number 3 on most teams except Bess who is a slot receiver, not a good number one or two. Our DBs just went from ok to bad. Sean Smith is our best corner LMAO! We still have Incognito in the starting line up after 2 years...how many times has he almost got the QB killed with complete wiffs at the line? We still have no legit pass rusher besides Wake. Fasano would be the 3rd TE on most teams and still drops the ball way too much. Our Right tackle (number 2 pick) is being pushed around like he is on roller skates....the list goes on and on and it is not new stuff, it is the same crap over and over again that isn't being addressed. Seriously, this dude has got to go! He will probably pull some crap out of his butt to swing a wide receiver and everyone will be on his nuts again....but in his tenure we have not got better. We were a better team at the end of last year than now, save maybe QB. That is sad and unacceptable!
     
  16. fakespike

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    Well smith sucks at this point, Marshall is making 16 mil over 3, borderline #1 cb money which he isn't. Dansby is worth about half of what we're paying him. Our D-line better be good, considering the high draft picks and money we've dumped into FA. And I give no credit to Ireland for Soliai because he didn't draft him and wanted to replace him at NT with Randy Starks.

    Bess is a slot guy and shouldn't even be counted in our starting 22, and we have no X or Y guy that would start on any other team in the league. 0/2.

    Long was the wrong pick, if you haven't come to grips with that yet I'm sorry. Martin looks like a potential bust. Jerry was a high draft pick and at this point is a bust, despite one good preseason game last week. Daniel Thomas looks like the reach we expected him to be.

    Do we also give Ireland a pass on all the guys he's drafted with high picks or signed and are gone: Henne, Merling, Davis, Marshall, etc?

    Its gotta get exhausting having your job as an official Jeff Ireland apologist.
     
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    Going on 5 years now and Miami is still trying to get the O-line together.
     
  18. MrCalifinfan

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    Ireland did land us a #1 receiver, and #1 cornerback. Everyone knows Marshall was a great pickup for us....how was ireland supposed to know that the guy had issues that were worse than anyone could have figured? And if a #1 CB keeps showing up out of shape, thats a character issue that developed in adulthood.......how was Ireland supposed to know that? These are Philbins cuts! Plain and simple.

    Almost any other coach would have kept Chad, Brandon, and Vontae. Philbin is a no nonsense guy, that will not hesitate to get rid of you if your not on his program. 49ers decided to keep Aldon Smith even though he was stabbed at a late night party and arrested for a DUI......why? Talent! And a coach that wants to win now....even though it was a team that was already 98% complete.

    I applaud this post.
     
  19. fakespike

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    I wanted Keuchly, Foles, Konz, and Sanu with our 1-3rd round picks.

    Looks a lot better than the crap we have now.
     
  20. Crazysimon

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    Dude just cause they are starters doesn't make them good!!!! We can't win games with them! Technically I can be a good GM with your logic!!
     
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    hey, he said donkey balls.....uh huh...huh huh huh huh
     
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    well no, actually sean smith has been playing pretty darn good and actualy making tackles at LOS. Itsa contract year remember. dont feed us crap that just isnt true and I am no sean smith supporter in the past. I tell it like i see it. you do not.

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    You have a point. BUT you also have to take into account that the wrong Coach was coaching the team. Sparano caught lightning in a bottle after Pennington was dropped in his lap and that fooled most of the fan base. Sparano isn't and never will be Head Coaching material, but guess what, it wasn't Ireland's call on hiring Sparano in the 1st place. Ireland in the end; was smart enough to distance himself from Tony Sparano, because Sparano while a good motivator wasn't a good Game Day Coach. I think Ireland get's too much blame for others and just because he gets rid of malcontents or bad apples, he's getting killed again from the fan base.
     
  24. insomnia411

    insomnia411 The world is yours

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    Our roster is set for us to go 4-12 dude.

    Out of all of our starting players, less than half are proven legitimate GOOD NFL starters. The rest of them range from unproven to pathetic.
     
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    We went in a stupid direction (Sparano ground and pound) and now we are rebuilding on the fly. I may have blinders on because the previous regime threw draft picks at the likes of Feeley and Lamar Gordon, but I feel like we are on the value end of things with Ireland. And I think that we have to be wise in thinking about some of the moves that he didn't make. The RB position for example is stacked without an albatross-like contract. QB position was looking strong until Garrard's meniscus fail. Now it is comfortable. Depth is an issue, but I don't know enough to make a relative judgement vs other teams benches. I am curious to see what happens at final cuts.
     
  26. Mogwai

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    Honestly, these kinds of threads depress me. There are a lot of people here who agree with you. You don't state your point incoherently or anything it just doesn't correlate with reality. This shows you can spin just about anything. Hell, you even spun the safety situation into a strength. It's not just a matter of limiting glaring holes, when most teams try to avoid having any. How high is the ability level at other positions, is there depth, is there established talent and youth. The basic elements of a competitive, complete roster. That roster you posted is not good enough to seriously compete in this league. If the team were as talent rich and perfectly constructed as you seem to think then we would actually win some games. You are what your record says you are and reality has pretty much rejected the idea that Ireland has been good at his job.
     
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    I think it did, as I did not see this before. Thanks to the OP. I enjoyed reading this. Maybe you should stop being the Finheaven police. Just saying.
     
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    The team needs pro bowl talent sprinkled across the roster. Guys that win their battles on the field every week and make big plays.
    Ireland has found some solid players, and a couple of good ones, but the number of guys that don't pan out is just to high.
    At the rate we are going, in 10 years guys will be retiring and Ireland will still be filling the same holes.
     
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    So your rationale is that because the Dolphins have people playing for them at every position they are "solidified?"

    Project players like Misi, Clemons, Jones etc guys that you're saying "IF blah blah blah and they're showing signs of blah blah blah" = NOT SOLIDIFIED.
     
  30. HarryBagpipe

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    Homer thread. I swear Ireland could trade tanny tomorrow for a 7 th rounder and I can name at least ten people easily who would eventually spin it to being a solid move.
     
  31. KTOWNFINFAN

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    The problem with this board is there are too many good writers!!! I read one thread and am absolutely convinced that Ireland is the "debil", then I turn around and come to a thread like this and think maybe he should be running for mayor. Both sides can bring up some pretty good arguments, on the Ireland debate. If you break down his moves, move by move, you can understand why he did all of them. Looking back I still scratch my head at the Marshall trade, but Vontae was an idiot, and to get a 2nd and 6th for a backup DB is better than good, it's freaking highway robbery.

    Ireland is the type of person that I WANT to pull for, but the bottom line is this is a "win now" league, and even if you say he had no influence in who was being brought in before 2010, that still puts it all on him since then. And I have to think the most time you get is three years in the league before you have to say "this is MY mess". Even in politics the president can only blame the previous president until about halfway through his first term, if he can't get things turned around then, even they will admit it is on them. So the way I see it is the proof is in the pudding. It's put up or shut up time. If Jeff can't trot out a winning product THIS year, vs a fairly easy schedule I think we have to see his ability to field a winner, as FAILED. There really is no other way to look at it.

    Now comes the problem. If he isn't able to win with what we have, what do we do?? If we sack him and send him packing that opens up a whole NEW can of worms. We have just changed directions and drafted a whole new type of player to accomodate Philbin, but if we fire Jeff, the new GM will want his own coach, and that will mean yet another change of direction. And that will mean another 2-3 years before we can expect to field a winner. Yet if we keep Jeff we must expect more of the same. Either way seems like a less than great short term.

    Jeff has always struck me as a stand up guy. Maybe what he is doing is setting up the next guy for success. He knows he is getting the axe and is setting up the next guy with 5 picks in the first 3 rds and 50 million in spending under the cap, with what looks like a pretty good young QB and a few other pieces to work with. I hate to be one of those "chicken littles, looking up for the sky to fall", but to be 100% honest I don't see this ending well...
     
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    :up:
    SPOT ON!!! I feel exactly the same way. It truely is amazing what good a spin doctors can accomplish. Bottom line is we have to keep our eyes on the ball, and that is the overall record. Right now he is losing and it surely doesn't look like he is getting it turned around THIS year. I really like the guy, I just don't know how you can look at his full body of work and call it a success.
     
  33. CRAZYDOLFAN305

    CRAZYDOLFAN305 We Are Still Going To The SB

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    Okay, you can call me a homer all you want, but I tried to be as unbiased as possible, please explain where in my analysis, I was being a homer, that would greatly help, so I can lose the homer tag. And as much as a homer I might be, your above statement is so illogical, that it renders you almost insane. If Ireland and scouts spent an entire year scouting Tannehill draft him in the First round give him 12 Million guaranteed and trade him for a 7th rounder, he wouldn't even make it out of Davie alive. Anyhow, since we are on Ireland And Tannehill, do you people realize he is one of the few GM's since the new rookie payscale that managed to get off-set language in a contract, and what that does is protect the franchise. Very few GM's had the balls, to even approach to subject, but he pulled it off. No credit on that end either.
     
  34. Lilseb93

    Lilseb93 This Is My House

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    Looks like a homer thread. I'm not even that negative. I'm always realistic, and always want the Fins to succeed. HOWEVER....

    1.) Half those players are solid at best. Some of them are only decent.

    2.) Reggie Bush is basically the only play maker on this team

    3.) WR is not our only concern, but this is a passing league.

    4.) 5 years of FA signings and draft picks, and the O-line still has major problems and little depth.

    5.) It's a passing league, yet we have no pass rush still and our secondary is suspect. Our only proven pass rusher at LB is Wake.

    6.) This is the first year we actually addressed the QB position. Henne was just a back-up plan; they really wanted Flacco instead. 5 years of passing on QBs.

    7.) Our 2 play makers on this team, Bush and Wake, weren't even drafted.

    8.) If this team is talented, why do we keep losing? Sparano wasn't a good coach, but we have no talent. Not even Belichick could coach this team to the playoffs.
     
  35. SF Dolphin Fan

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    Nice points. I'm not against Ireland. Neither am I against the trade of Marshall and Davis. Saying that, I really think the jury is still out on Jeff. He has missed some elite talent in his time running the draft and that concerns me. You've got to hit on the elite guys. He got it right with Jake Long, but should have drafted Earl Thomas instead of trading down for more picks. Clay Matthews was there when Ireland drafted Vontae Davis. He missed on a number of top wide receivers. I know every team misses and you have to factor that in. But again I'm not overly confident that Ireland will get it right with all the extra picks.
     
  36. tylerdolphin

    tylerdolphin More Smug than Birthday Dog Moderator Finheaven VIP

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    You cant have a roster full of "meh I guess he alright" guys and expect to contend.
     
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    Regime change has killed this franchise more than anything. From Wanny to Saban, from Saban, to Cameron, from Cameron, to Sparano, from Sparano to Philbin.

    Nothing kills a teams progress more than instability. That means every 3-4 year we have a new coaching staff wanting to turn over players what don't fit their scheme, but may be hitting their prime, so we may never know good some players are.
     
  38. CRAZYDOLFAN305

    CRAZYDOLFAN305 We Are Still Going To The SB

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    Stang, I can't have a sensible convo with you on the state of the team, because you've gone so far off the deep end, and until we return back to prominence on a yearly basis, we will continue to be on the opposite side of the spectrum. But Ill give it a try, here goes nothing.

    1.In 5 years, we don't have a receiver that would be a number 3. This is somewhat miss leading, because we had a number 1 wide receiver for two years, he was just a headcase, and our #1 Wide is currently nursing a calf injury. But still our WR receiver position base on pre-season has look pathetic. If you think Davone Bess and Brian Hartline would not find playing time on some other teams, that's your right.

    And correct me if I'm wrong did we not end up in the top 10 in the league with over 60 completions of 20-plus yards with this bunch of misfits on offense? And this stat is a little misleading because Marshall did account for 20 of those, but Hartline, Fasano, Bess, Clay and Bush accounted for the other 40. That's 67% of our big playmakers still remain on the team. We also manage 13 passes of 30-plus yards, spread out among six players. And Reggie Bush, signed to be the home-run threat the Dolphins lacked the previous year, had four rushes of 28-plus yards.

    2. "how many times has he almost got the QB killed with complete wiffs at the line?"
    Left guard Richie Incognito has been typically steady - Pro Football Focus ranks him 17th among all guards, with positive grades in run and pass blocking. Now the goal is always to number one, but 17 out of 64 starting guard is not bad, especially if your starting running back leads the league in YPC at 5.0. This is not as bad as you are making it out to be, But if you think it is, that's your call.

    Furthermore, Incognito started 15 games at right guard and was instrumental in helping Reggie Bush surpass the 1,000-yard rushing mark. Moreover, Incognito allowed only one sack—a vast improvement from the five he yielded in 2010—and was flagged for a modest six penalties. Now what was that you were saying about getting the QB killed with complete wiffs at the line ?? Yeah I'm a homer for stating facts.

    3.Sean Smith is our best corner LMAO!. Yeah, ill give you Sean Smith. Pro Football Focus charged Smith with five TD passes allowed in 2011, and a 90.8 QB rating in his coverage. That's just not good enough We shall see if he improves this year or not. But some positive signs are starting to show for him. It was noticeable that the Falcons offense was targeting the side of the field away from Sean Smith, who had a relatively quiet night at left corner. Smith was only targeted once the entire game, although one other target would have come but for a batted pass, and on that play he broke on a slant by Roddy White to break up the pass. After some mighty struggles in 2011 and with former No. 1 corner Vontae Davis in the doghouse, Smith needs to step up and on the evidence of this game, he has. Smith was also active as a support player on defense, both in run defense–registering a pair of tackles, highlighted by a tackle for loss on a fourth-down stop–and making tackles in coverage when receivers got away from primary coverage. At his size, and with his athleticism, Smith has the potential to be a crucial player for the Miami defense if he continues to show form like this.

    Now Richard Marshall was the 8th best rated Corner F.A. on the market. He lead the league in tackles for Cornerbacks. Key Stat: Allowed 394 receiving yards in 2011, 95 of which came on one play. Marshall was the third corner for the first half of the season and didn’t start for Arizona until Week 9, but after getting the starting spot, he recorded all five of his best games of the season. Marshall was only thrown at 54 times all season, but even so, allowing only 28 receptions represents an impressive 51.9% mark.

    So if you want to act like Smith and Marshall are garbage again that's your call, but I would have to disagree.

    4. Fasano would be the 3rd TE on most teams and still drops the ball way too much. Well considering he is one if not the best rated passing T.E. in the league, and he caught nearly every pass thrown his way last year, I know alot of people that would disagree with that statement, but again, that's your call, that's how you see, because no matter how much the evidence prove otherwise, that's your story in you are sticking with it. With (12) +20 yds catches last year, I would say that's pretty good for a blocking Tight End, than again what the do I know, I'm just making **** up. He ranked #15 in tight end's with more total value (DYAR) and 9th in tight end with more value per play DVOA. And you know what majority of the TE's ranked of head of him have, with the exception of Maybe Cook or Chandler? A top 10 Elite QB throwing them the damn ball. So where to you get this logic that he would be 3rd TE on most teams is beyond me.And you know what majority of the TE's ranked of head of him have, with the exception of Maybe Cook or Chandler? A top 10 Elite QB throwing them the damn ball.

    Furthermore, What he consistently does well are the things that don’t often show up on first glance. It’s being able to go head-to-head with an excellent defensive end like Ray Edwards and block him out of a play like he did in week two. Or taking on Marcus Stroud one-on-one and putting him in his place in a manner that belies the size difference. His play against larger defensive linemen is such that is should come as no surprise that he rarely struggles when matched up with linebackers and defensive backs. It’s this that makes Fasano such a superstar.

    Entering year six, he’s unlikely to break out and be the next big thing at the tight end spot when it comes to receiving, but he’s more than capable there as evidenced by an ability to pick up consistent yardage and find the end zone. The real shame, as we often write, is that tight ends don’t usually get the praise they are due when they excel at blocking.

    In a game where top tight ends spend just as much time blocking as running routes, it’s a hugely important role. So, while there are no official stats for it, players like Anthony Fasano will continue to excel at their jobs and nobody may know it.

    5. Our Right tackle (number 2 pick) is being pushed around like he is on roller skates. Yea I'll give you this as well, but if you read my post carefully, I already mentioned him. And I don't know when it was safe to label a 2nd Round draft pick a bust before he even plays a full season worth of football, but again. Facts don't matter..
     
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  39. KTOWNFINFAN

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    Good stuff, but I am thinking people round here are not going to like you allowing stats to get in the way of opinion...
     
  40. TarHeelFinFan

    TarHeelFinFan Goodness Gracious Great Balls of Fire

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    If these guys were as good as you think they are we'd be winning games.
     

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