Discussion in 'Other Sports' started by TerryTate, May 13, 2005.
IF zo were to retire after this year, would he be a HOFer?
No. He was "The Man" on good teams and never even made it to the finals. And while his statistics are good, they are not "great" in the sense that they would be enough to get him into the hall.
Plus, he is obviously only out for a bit of cash and that has soured him in my opinion.
Maybe down the road. He should get NO sentimental votes for his kidneys, in my opinion. He has(rightfully so considering the circumstances) been crap since he got sick.
I think that he will get in it, but he might have to wait for a long time until he does.
He is a first ballot hall of famer.
Maybe they can put him in the criminal HOF. He's a thief.
Why? Becasue they gave him money and he cashed the checks? get a life.
Yes, Zo deserves to be inducted into the Hall. I'm not sure when that would happen though.
I wouldn't vote for him, ever. After what he did to the Raptors, I lost a whole hell of a lot of respect for that guy.
Mournings a no brainer. What NBA do you guys watch? Im not a heat or Mourning fan but to say he doesnt belong in the Hall of Fame is ignorant. The guy was drafted by an expansion team and made them into a playoff team. He was one of the best defenders and rebounders in his prime. He was a 20pt 10reb player who played great defense. There is no doubt whatsoever that Mourning will be in the Hall of Fame. Yeesh I realize this is a football message board mostly but Good God, go watch some NBA games before posting some serious nonsense.
No, Zo had 8 good years in the NBA.He had 3 with the Hornets and 5 with Heat. He did average about 10 rebs. and 20pts. per game during that span.If he had stayed heathy and put those numbers up for a few more years and had made a trip to the finals then I would say yes.I've always liked Zo as a player and he has gone through some tuff times with all the kidney stuff,but I don't think IMO he deserves to be in the hall of fame.
Zo's career average is 19pts 9rebs, it went down a bit after kidney transplantation--go figure. Theres no doubt in my mind he will be voted in, most likely first ballot. I still dont get what the doubt is about, hes a complete no brainer.
Good to very good player most of his career, he was never great. You either have to have eye popping #s or lead teams to ttiles, he did neither and never even made an NBA Finals appearance. He falls a little short.
I actually agree.......
7 time allstar (out of 12 seasons), 2 time defensive player of the YEAR. Never great.....again, what NBA are we talking about and what Alonzo Mourning are we talking about?
You do realize AS games mean nothing, right? The fans vote and they usalluy vote for popular players and he was one way back when. Did you think Grant Hill deserved to be in the AS game this year?
he was an excellent defensive player but that doesn't mean he was a great player. He was limited offensively so he wasn't an all-around great player. Dennis Rodman was a better rebounder and defender than 'Zo and he has 5 rings yet he most likely won't get in. Dennis won DPOY twice, he was on the all-defensive team 10 times(7 times 1st team), he led the league in total rebs 4 times, he led the league in rebs per game 7 times yet he won't be in the Hall but zo will? 'Zo was on the all-D team twice and he ld the league in blocks twice. 'Zo is NOT a HOFer./
To think 'Zo is a first ballot HOFer is even more insane, consider that dominique Wilkins didn't make it on his 1st attempt and he was a 9 time AS(since you guys love AS apperances so much), made all-NBA 7 times, and led the league in scoring. He never made a Finals either(though he played in a much tougher time when he had to deal w/ Boston then detroit then chicago, I know alot of 'Zo's career he had Chicago as the best team but they only made 1 conf final and Jordan left the bulls a long time ago then teams like the 8th seeded NYK, the pacers, sixers and Nets won the East while zo still couldn't).
The man is not a HOFer.
Grant Hill deserved to be an All Star this year. But Zo doesn't get in IMO.
Grant Hill was a great story and deserved it based upon what he has been through but take away thre name Grant hill and give those #s to another lesser name player and he doesn't make it or at the very least isn't a starter.
Not after the way he quit on the Nets, he never came to play! He just sulked all the time!
To just to add to this: Bill Walton and "Snapper" Jones was asked the same question.....
They both said that he will get in.....
Ok now he's in
Here's a fan vote, it's almost 50/50:
Here's an article by SI NBA reporter Jack McCallum saying he probably won't make it:
He's not a HOFer, at best he is borderline where it will take years and years to get in but I feel he falls just short. If he had led Miami to even an Eastern Conf Title I think he probably gets in but he never did that and riding Shaq's coattails to a possible title this year will not be enough.
I went to a few Tragic games this year. And we get every damn game they play on TV here in Tampa (and not a single Heat game unless it's against the Tragic).
The guy is back in a big way. He's not the same stud he was in '99. But few if anyone thought he'd get anywhere near this level again. He deserved a spot. Not a starting spot. But a spot nonethelss. Shot the best percentage of his career from the floor (51%) and the line (82%) while having the lowest turnover rate of his career. Finished just a point under his career scoring average. Assists and rebounds aren't nearly what they were in Detroit though. But he's got to do a lot more for Orlando, as they're very young and don't play any defense.
That Fan vote alone should tell you the consensus is that he will get in.....Most of the people that voted in that poll are from the North East where they hate his guts......that should tell you something.
He won't get in. He was too big of a crybaby his first stint with the Heat.
He's a sore loser with no class in defeat. HOF you got to be kidding.
I think 50/50 says alot b/c fans are usually generous when it comes to things like this. fans up here don't care about him, there are only a few hundred Net fans and the knicks are so far away from hating the Riley-Mourning Heat that they don't care.
WTF are you talking about?
Yeah..... ...That's why when we went into the Garden toward the end of the season...the Garden went on a 5 minute chant of "Mourning Sucks!".....
They still hate him.
In the end it won't matter what the fans think. They're not the ones choosing who will or won't go in the HOF. Unlike the All-Star game it isn't a popularity contest. I doubt Zo makes it but it wouldn't surprise me. The man averaged 20 pts a game and 10 rbds from '92 to '00 until injuries derailed his career. It's quite impressive to see with what consistency he put up those numbers.
I definately think it'll help his cause if he wins a championship this year.
Nique was jobbed by not getting in. That was a travesty. Anyone who doesnt think he is a hall of famer should immediately have their vote removed.
Funny that you mention fan voting, remember we dont vote HOF's in. The guys that do will vote Mourning in. You act as if its a given that he wont get in. Put this post away in a file and get it out when he gets in. Im telling you for a fact that its a complete given that he gets in. Maybe not first ballot but he is a sure thing. Sorry if you feel otherwise but you kind of lost me in this post when you said Mourning wasnt a complete player. Thats ignorant. Completely. He scored 20 a night, pulled down 10 rebs a night and got 3 blocks, thats pretty much a textbook example of a complete player. He could score effectively, yea he didnt take threes who cares hes a center. He shot a respectable 70% or so from the freethrow line if Im not mistaken.
Now I would vote Rodman in. He was such a great defender and rebounder that he inability to score shouldnt be a great issue. He played on a lot of great teams and was a major contributer on them. Rodman is going to be judged by his ofcourt behavior. Fair? I dont think so but he is going to have problems making it in because of that. Still I believe he has a shot.
I never said he had no chance, I said he is a fringe candidiate and that if he ever gets in it will be after a long wait.
He offensive game has always been very limited. he was an excellent defensive player but offensively he was not great. In only 6 of his years did he average more than 20, he was barely a 50% shooter(not too good for a guy who made his living putting back missed rebounds) and that goes under 50% in the postseason, he was a 70% FT shooter in the reg season and in the postseason 66%. The man was a good player, NOT great, and he was not a big game player. The only categories he has led the league in is blocks. He never led in rebs, FG%, PPG or any other important category. he was never top 10 in scoring.
scroll down and look at his resume(at the link below), it's not that impressive. I change my mind, in no way will he ever get in. He is less than a borderline candidate. he didn't put up great #s and he never won anything, he is NOT a HOFer.
I'd vote Rodman too, he was not a complete player but what he was great at he did an an all-time great level which cannot be said for 'Zo and he was a key cog on 5 Championship teams.
You can argue whether he deserves it or not....but he will get in. People vote on more than stats, especially for the basketball hall of fame. You're right, he may not be a first ballot hof'er, just depends on who hes going up against that year.
What am I missing?
I just looked at his stats...those are HOF numbers for a center...PERIOD.
REMEMBER THAT HIS CAREER BASICALLY STOPPED in 2002!
I did a quick cross-reference check and came up with this......
Of all the centers to ever play the game....these are the only ones with better numbers than ZO (taking into account ppg, fg%, Reb, Blk's, FT%, Stl, FT Per Game)
Kareem Abdul Jabbar
Zo has better numbers than these HOF's
He has better numbers than two guys that were on the ballot last year:
Boy....the anti-ZO bias is really showing through with some of you North Eastern people.
That's it...we that say he gets in are right...and you ZO haters are wrong....end of discussion.
Let me ask you this. Do you think Terrel Davis with his Super Bowl rings will get it in? I'll answer for you. No. My point is that Zo is'nt to basketball what Davis was to football and he won't get in.imo.
I agree it's more than stats, WINNING also plays a major role and he has never won anything and even if Miami wins it all he doesn't deserve credit for riding Shaq's coattails to a title.
Zo=Hall of Shame!
Russell played in a different era, it was a completely different game back then. Russell also led his teams to double digit Championships. Russell also won FIVE MVP's, I can't believe it's come to this where you are comparing Alonzo Mourning to Bill Russell!
Moses Malone won THREE MVP's and a Finals MVP while Alonzo has never even been to a Finals. Malone was on the all-NBA 1st or 2nd team 8 times and the all defensive team twice. Malone led the league in offensive rebounding 8 times, in defensive rebounds 2 times, was top 5 in scoring 5 times. Oh and he won a title as well. The 2 are not comparable, you are really reaching and showing you have no appreciation of basketball history to compare those players to Alonzo Mourning.
Ralph Sampson is most likely on the ballot b/c he was a great college player, he was a bust in the NBA and will not make the Hall unless it is based upon college.
Artis Gilmore was a great player in the ABA which is why he is up for election, based upon his NBA years he would not even be on the ballot. Alonzo will be on the ballot and deserves to be, he just won't make and doesn't deserve to make it.
If Dominique Wilkens didn't make the Hall of Fame this year then Zo certainly doesn't deserve too!
Im from the Northeast, well borderline-Virginia. Im not a heat fan or Mourning fan and Im man enough to admit he's a HOFer. Theres no doubt, these people that think he won't make it are fooling themselves. Hes a lock to get in.
I'm from New York and I'm man enough to admit that Zo is not a Hall of Famer!
Different sport...different HOF criteria...you are comparing apples to tooth paste. (Not even oranges)
There have been countless HOF's that have never even sniffed a championship.......
The stats speak for themselves...you are wrong...just admit it.
yes but they've won major awards, they've led the league in mulitple categories, they've consistently been on all-NBA teams and they have at least gotten their teams to NBA Finals. No yuo don't have to have Championships to get in but you need great #s(relative to your era). 'Zo just doesn't have the resume.
That's probably more relevant than comparing Mourning to Bill Russell. TD dominated in the NFL for a short time, 'Zo has never dominated int he NBA.
Apple flavored toothpaste?
Again...you were spewing stats...so I showed you how if you want to spew stats how WORTHY ZO is of the HOF.
I was spewing relevant stats.
Zo was a very good player for 8 years. If that gets you into the HALL OF FAME then, damn. Think about it. 8 years of good play, nothing to show for it and did not dominate any aspect of the game over his career.
Sad state of affairs when that qualifies you into GREATNESS.
Hall of famers are GREAT, when has Zo ever been classified as GREAT?
I think Zo was great. The voters will too. You guys act like 20pt 10reb 3blk centers grow on trees in the league. He won defensive player of the year more than once i believe, that means at the very least he was a great defensive player. He wasnt going to win MVP awards with Jordan/Shaq/Duncan, etc just because he wasnt quite as good as they were doesnt mean hes not great. His career was curtailed a bit by a kidney problem so naturally his career was cut short.