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  1. His'nBeatYour'n

    His'nBeatYour'n Would I be a Parcells guy?

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    The search for a franchise QB officially started when Nick named Frerotte the starter. Nick's only shortcoming so far has been the inability to obtain a franchise QB. I have been an AJ supporter (as my past posts will prove), but I have no problem with Nick's decision to start Gus and demote AJ to 3rd string. The only tangible reason to support AJ was because he was "green" and needed experience to show his whole potential. But, he blew (perhaps his career) it when he couldn't beat out Gus Frerotte. He displayed a lack of competitive edge. If AJ had the intestinal fortitude he could have easily beat out Frerotte, who won by default. But he completely blew his chance. I have no problem abandonging hope for AJ after he couldn't seize the opportunity that was given to him. All he had to do was show something, and he showed nothing. In fact, he showed less than nothing, because when the door was wide open, he couldn't simply walk through.
    I still think that Saban believed (hoped?) that AJ could prove himself a franchise QB. He made his subsequent decisions based on this belief. But, something (finding a franchise QB) will need to be done before Saban will have ANY true success at the pro level. AJ has failed (and is lucky to remain on the roster).
    I had a lot of faith in the Dolphins ability to erase the abberation, that was last year, and return to form. However, my hopes are diminished today, because the most important position is in dire straits right now and unfortunately Saban and myself put too much faith in a guy that couldn't even step up and perform against third and fourth stringers.
    Until Saban finds a QB that can bring the Phins back to the 'promise land' we are, unfortunately, going to remain an average team.

    However,
    It is still preseason
    I am an optimist
    We DO have a promising D, Running game, and WR depth.
    We are (like everyone else) still undefeated.
    We have improved coaching.
    I am going to root for Frerotte 100%.
    And preseason still means absolutely nothing.
    The Dolphins ARE better at every position, except CB, than they were when they went 10-6 in 03'.
    We still should beat Denver.
    I am an optimist.
    Go Phins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  2. dixie3363

    dixie3363 RazorbackDolphin

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    And why would we beat Denver??? I mean if we do that, then we should be considered playoff material....they are a playoff team and are better than last year. So either your post is true, but Denver kills us, or your post is wrong and we are better than you say and then we beat Denver. Anyone agree.....ill even say it....if we beat Denver, then i believe we have a shot.
     
  3. His'nBeatYour'n

    His'nBeatYour'n Would I be a Parcells guy?

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    We "should" beat Denver, because I'm an optimist.

    I agree. If we beat Denver, we do have a shot. And this board will reflect that. Although...

    We beat the Super Bowl champs last year. It certainly didn't make us playoff material.

    I'm disappointed in our QB situation.
    I'm disappointed in AJ Feeley.

    Preaseason means nothing.

    Go Phins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  4. Dolfan2788

    Dolfan2788 Melubulongtime

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    Good post, I agree with you on pretty much everything.

    We need a QB who is going to be able to manage a game well and throw on 3rd and 10's when need be and actually make the play with a great WR corps. Not many teams have a great receiver in Chambers; who can go deep and get it and make his own plays and make the QB look good but we also have Boston; who is a physical freak and if can pull it all together can have a season like he had with San Diego with a sub-par QB there and Booker who also had a sub-par QB in Chicago but is a good consistent possesion receiver. Plus we have Ronnie Brown who arguably had the best hands out of this years draft as some analysts said and definitely had the best hands out of the RB's.
     
  5. His'nBeatYour'n

    His'nBeatYour'n Would I be a Parcells guy?

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    Let's agree to... agree

    Go Phins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  6. finsfan4life

    finsfan4life In Dawn We Trust!

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    :confused2

    Nick hasn't even been here 8 months and has yet to play one game that mattered.
     
  7. Gam(e)-is-on

    Gam(e)-is-on Scout Team

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    Let's wait for Brees to have another great season, so either he or Philip Rivers will be put on the trading block. Or see if we can make a move on Matt Schaub in Atlanta. Schaub seems to have plenty of abillity - according to PFW inside editions 2005 Preview; Pocket-oriented Schaub might be better than 10 NFL starters right now.

    PFW - Atlanta 2005 preview

    (Will need ESPN insider membership to view)

    Despite Vicks tendencies to scramble often, and with that risking injury, why would Atlanta let a 3rd rd. pick with huge upside sit if he can be dealt for the right price - ( e.i. a 2nd round in the 2007 draft)

    Imagine Schaub dart away with the receiving corp we have.

    That would be ideal options if u ask my opinion.

    Who other than Brees/Rivers and Schaub do we have to go after?

    Draft?

    Let me have it... :rolleyes:
     
  8. Jaj

    Jaj What you say?

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    Much rather draft our own guy for once...
     
  9. Gam(e)-is-on

    Gam(e)-is-on Scout Team

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    I see what u are saying, but what value is out there on the draft boards that will be realistic to look at? What guy can takes us to the promised land?
     
  10. unifiedtheory

    unifiedtheory Thank you #54...

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    I don't think anyone will "let you have it". You brought up good points and had a link with a good story in it.

    I think we are in a tough spot. Leinart staying in school screwed us.

    If we try and trade for a Q.B. we WILL overpay (see A.J. Feeley or any other able bodied Q.B. that has been traded for the last 10 years).

    Drafting a Q.B. is the main option of course. That being said, this is a weak year for Q.B.'s. I may be alone here but I don't want to sit and wait for 3 years to see if an Omar Jacobs can develop into a quality NFL passer (I'm not sold on him incidentially...his delivery bothers me).

    I am hoping (like you suggest)that Drew Brees has another Pro Bowl season. Phillip Rivers was'nt drafted 4th overall so he could sit and watch for 4-5 years. San Diego will have to make a decision.

    A scenerio that might happen is Brees returns to his average self this year, becomes a free agent and we can pick him up for a decent price. Yes, we will have another average passer but I think an average Drew Brees is better then anything we have right now. We can draft a Q.B. at some point on Day one in '06 and have him backup Brees for a year.

    Another scenerio is Brees has another great year and they franchise him or sign him long term. If that happens the Chargers will want to get a return on the Rivers investment...he could be had but we will have to overpay.

    I might get bashed pretty good by saying this but, I'd give up a first rounder (as long as it was'nt top 10) RIGHT now for Rivers.

    The more I think about this topic the more troubled I get...we need a Q.B. so badly. If we even had a second tier guy ( a Jake Delhomme/Matt Hasselbeck) we would be, without a doubt, a playoff team.

    To think we could have had Hasselbeck or Trent Green....but Wanny was sold on Fiedler....yet another reason Wannstedt is an idiot.
     
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    CpuFan A True Fan

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    Just a thought but I think AJ Feeley was on display in the last game to be traded, but I think he blew it big time... At least that is what I would have done with him.

    It could explain Saban's frustration with him in his last press conference...
     
  12. jlfin

    jlfin old pro

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    Denver doesn't have a "franchise QB". He is serviceable at times. Is it just me or does Jake Plummer seem to be one of the most over rated QB's in the league? He has done absolutely nothing.
    I think those who dismiss our team based on alleged poor QB play are being inconsistent. Losman hasn't looked so great this preseason, neither has Boller. Yet, both teams are considered potential playoff teams because of their defenses. Last time I checked, our defense has looked pretty good.
     
  13. Gam(e)-is-on

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    Thank you unifiedtheory

    I agree that the Feeley trade was not thought through by Speilman. At the least the price was way to steep considering he was 3rd stringer.

    What is the right price for Schaub? Can Schaub even fit in Sabans/Linehans system? I believe that he would fare well in Linehans schems.

    He has the arm I would say.

    Any thoughts on Schaub?
     
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    jlfin old pro

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    In RS defense, he was put under pressure to find someone right away. He wasn't give the luxury to find a developmental prospect or wait until the draft.
    Frankly, with respect to QB's, that offseason (to quote Mandich) was no beauty contest.
    Brunell was a flop in Washington. Garcia wasn't the answer either. The only person I think would have fit in with a win now philosophy would have been Kerry Collins. I don't even think RS considered him (probably because of his price tag).
     
  15. Gam(e)-is-on

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    Im sorry to say this, but under pressure doesnt excuse the decision of paying a 2. round pick for a 3rd stringer. U needed to make an upgrade and not a lateral move.

    U can actually compare Rick and Jay with each other, they where kind of the same breed. Both made some good "Plays" for then to follow up with a stupid decision. :lol:
     
  16. Akronfinfan36

    Akronfinfan36 Please win another title before I die

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    The only we beat denver is because it's the home opener...team should be jacked...fans should be jacked, etc. Remember when the 'phins used to win home openers?????
     
  17. fishfan34

    fishfan34 2008 AFC EASTERN DIVISION CHAMPIONS!

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    There are really only about 10 teams that have "Franchise" quarterbacks. For the most part, every other team is in the same boat we are. Looking for a "caretaker" at the QB position and letting their Running Game and Defense keep them in games. With our skill position players (Chambers, Bookers, McMike, Boston, and Brown.) I think we can be a winning football team if our Offensive line plays well. Defensively I think we looked pretty good as far as the first and second teams... We all know we're still a year or so away.. get a "Franchise" Qb in here and a tweak to the O-Line and the Secondary and I think we're a playoff team again..
     
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    KB21 A True Fan

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    Most teams aren't looking for a "caretaker" at the quarterback position. Only a few foolish teams have been doing that. Miami under Dave Wannstedt wanted nothing but a caretaker. Most teams are willing to use a high draft pick on a quarterback in attempt to get that guy that can make big plays in the passing game for them.
     
  19. Dudeman

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    again, AJ is UNTRADEABLE with his current contract. He would have to be released. Nobody is going to be responsible for a 5 year, 19 mil contract.
     
  20. fish fan 4 life

    fish fan 4 life Pro Bowler

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    Well i have to say that i think the worst trade ever was the Feeley trade.The Eagles raped us.A 2nd round pick for a 3rd string qb.What in the hell was wanny and rick thinking?We do need a qb really bad.I dont no what Saban was thinking.Alot of people already new A.J and Gus are not good qb's.Why didnt Saban go out and get us something better?
     
  21. KTOWNFINFAN

    KTOWNFINFAN Seasoned Veteran

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    I kinda agree. I feel we will start out slow and get better as the teams buys into what Saban is doing. I don't really expect to win the Denver game, but will admit we will have some intangibles going in our favor. The first game Denver's starters play a whole game is gonna be in the heat and humitity of south FL, combined with us being thought of as a 4-12 team may give us and edge. We must also add to the fact that nobody really has a good way to measure what we will be doing since we have a all new coaching staff. If we use these things and can get am early lead and not turn the ball over, I feel we will be able to pull one out.
    However if we get blown out, I will feel we are in for a long season. :mad:
     
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    tcdrover Pro Bowler

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    I saw a number of Bronco games last year, and I did not see an undefeatable team.

    Shanahan is a good coach, but their D wasn't all that good and Plummer is VERY inconsistant. He can be pressured, & once pressured he plays poorly.

    We beat them with Wanny & Fiedler a couple of years ago, why would it be so much harder to beat them now?

    Their team doesn't seem so much more improved to me on paper. The Jets game is away and seems like a harder game to win to me. I think we win the 1st game and then our rocky road begins....
     
  23. AZfinfan

    AZfinfan Seasoned Veteran

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    I disagree in that I believe the strength of Denvers team is there defense. The have a great secondary, probably the best linebacking core in the NFL and a solid d-line. Remember they get Trever Price back this year who was a previous pro-bowler. I think the key is there players playing there starters for a full game in the heat. Lets hope for a scortcher
     

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