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If he is available at #12 do the Dolphins take him and how would he fit into their scheme?
 
If not for his spinal stenosis, I'd jump at drafting Jones. But, that's too big of a question mark. I'd go in another direction.
 
I am not sure on Jarvis Jones, great motor, great player, health issues. Once the combine hits, there will be more information regarding health. But for him to fit the system, Koa Misi will be cut if Jones is drafted. However, I would prefer a lineback who can defend the pass and stuff the run. If Buffalo takes a QB, Te'o could drop into Miami's lap at 12
 
The more i look at and analyze things, the more im convinced teo just might be available to the phins at 12... and thats gonna get real interesting.
 
SF Dolphin Fan said:
If not for his spinal stenosis, I'd jump at drafting Jones. But, that's too big of a question mark. I'd go in another direction.
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I'm a UGA fan, and attended 101 consecutive games home and away the past 8 years (unfortunately my streak ended this year). With that said, I am extremely familiar with Jarvis and have been since he was in high school in Columbus, GA. I can ASSURE you that Jarvis has no health issues relating to his neck. After he got hurt at USC, their doctors wouldn't clear him to play. Our doctors did feel he was capable of playing and he transferred back home. He played this year and was dominant and was a first team all american. There is not a better pass rusher or linebacker in America than Jarvis. He did miss some action this year, but it was due to a groin injury. Hey, those things happen in football.

The ONLY knock on him is that he is not top notch in run defense. Teams that ran directly at him had some success on the ground. As a pass rusher though, he is unmatched. He simply gets to the QB. The guy is disruptive as hell and will thrive in the NFL getting in the backfield. Like I said though, his run defense may be a question mark.

With all that said though, there is absolutely no reason for concern about the health of his neck or spine.
 
AthensFin said:
I'm a UGA fan, and attended 101 consecutive games home and away the past 8 years (unfortunately my streak ended this year). With that said, I am extremely familiar with Jarvis and have been since he was in high school in Columbus, GA. I can ASSURE you that Jarvis has no health issues relating to his neck. After he got hurt at USC, their doctors wouldn't clear him to play. Our doctors did feel he was capable of playing and he transferred back home. He played this year and was dominant and was a first team all american. There is not a better pass rusher or linebacker in America than Jarvis. He did miss some action this year, but it was due to a groin injury. Hey, those things happen in football.

The ONLY knock on him is that he is not top notch in run defense. Teams that ran directly at him had some success on the ground. As a pass rusher though, he is unmatched. He simply gets to the QB. The guy is disruptive as hell and will thrive in the NFL getting in the backfield. Like I said though, his run defense may be a question mark.

With all that said though, there is absolutely no reason for concern about the health of his neck or spine.
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These are bold claims, for which you provide no evidence whatsoever. What are you basing these claims on? I don't care if you've been a UGA fan since before you were born. What's your evidence that a player with a stenosis condition so bad that a team like USC recommended he quit football, has "no health issues relating to his neck"? I would certainly hope your evidence isn't simply based on your having watched all his games, since that is obviously irrelevant.
 
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These are bold claims, for which you provide no evidence whatsoever. What are you basing these claims on? I don't care if you've been a UGA fan since before you were born. What's your evidence that a player with a stenosis condition so bad that a team like USC recommended he quit football, has "no health issues relating to his neck"? I would certainly hope your evidence isn't simply based on your having watched all his games, since that is obviously irrelevant.
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My evidence is based on a few things. For one, UGA doctors said he was cleared to play. If a normal person in the real world gets a diagnosis, they can seek a second opinion which may be different than his own doctor's. USC said he was a liability, UGA said he wasn't. I'm not a doctor, but the point is that some medical professionals thought he was fine. I'm quite sure that we wouldn't lie to him and tell him he's ok to play if he actually wasn't, all in a ploy to get him to come to UGA.

Second, he played all year (aside from a groin injury, which isn't the issue in question) and had no repercussions. He was flying around, making tackles, putting his head down, getting blocked, etc. and had no trouble at all with his neck or spine. His injury was over 2 years ago. I mean, yeah I guess if he gets his neck squashed or mangled like David Pollack did then he'll have an issue, but any human being on earth would in some cases. What I'm saying is that Jarvis has zero issues as of now with his injury over 2 years ago, and he's shown that on the field.
 
Idk, I'm scared he turns into a Daquan Bowers. Too much of a question mark, it really depends on what the doctors say on him cause if its even a moderate problem I wouldn't even take him with a 2nd.
 
Michael Irvin played many years before spinal stenosis ended his career.....so you can play at a high level before that condition rears its ugly head. The biggest difference to me is Jones plays a position that puts him at a higher risk every play than Irvin. If Jones truly has that condition (which will be evaluated in depth by NFL team doctors) i would avoid him at 12. But if i was drafting later and he fell, i would consider the risk/reward on him versus the other guys still on the board.
 
Id grab him in a heartbeat.

People get freaked out when it comes to spinal injuries. Rightfully so. But for a condition like Jones' the best treatment that is given is physical therapy/rehab. The goal is to get into the best shape possible to relieve the pressure on your spine by strengthening the surrounding muscles. As a professional athlete, he stays in top physical shape anyways. If he aggravates the condition, there are treatments available that he could immediately get to help manage the pain.

The type of pain that is caused by Spinal stenosis is not uncommon and be caused by various other injuries. Numbness, cramping, and weakness are some of the conditions of stenosis but those can also occur after things such as disc bulging. Bulging discs are such a common occurance that im willing to bet 2 out of the 9 people who posted before me have some sort of disc bulging and just dont know it. Often, its one of those things thats not a problem until it becomes a problem.

If Jones was healthy enough to play college football now, i have no doubt he is healthy enough to play professional. It wouldnt surprise me if USC refused to clear him because of insurance liability issues. That said, as PSU Cane stated, spinal stenosis is something that can get worse as a person ages. I suppose the question it comes down to is, much like Brandon Weeden last offseason, would you draft a talented player knowing you will have 8-10 years from him instead of 10-15? Id vote yes.

More information on spinal stenosis, if you look at the non-surgical treatment options they almost all involve things athletes do anyways(and doctors almost always advise younger patients to avoid surgery for this type of thing):

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001477/
 
Found this, only skimmed it but think i found the important stuff:

The injury occurred against Oregon on Halloween in 2009. By all accounts, it was a routine hit, but after staying on the turf for a few seconds, he was removed from the game. Within days, he found himself in the hospital, where a specialist told him he had a "mild" case of spinal stenosis, a narrowing of the spinal column. "I've seen this over and over again," Jones remembers the doctor saying. "If you play the game long enough, things like this will happen."

The doctor told Jones he would be fine and he could play again. But the Trojans' team doctors thought the injury was much more serious and refused to clear him for contact; they eventually recommended that Jones retire from football. So the then-20-year-old spent his days wandering from class to the basketball gym to the weight room. "Just like a regular student," he says. Just a 6'3", 241-pound student who considered trying out for USC's basketball team.

"But in my head," Jones says, "I never let go of the fact that the first specialist told me I'd be okay."...

....At a loss, Jones began to wonder if other team doctors would clear him. So Carver High coach Dell McGee called Georgia, Florida State and Alabama on Jones' behalf. Not surprisingly, all of the coaches said that if doctors cleared him, they wanted him.

First, Jones received clearance from a doctor in North Carolina. Next, Georgia coach Mark Richt was by his side as he underwent tests at a hospital in Athens, three hours north of Columbus. "When Jarvis told me he missed drinking sweet tea," Richt says, "I knew we had a good chance." Once those Georgia doctors officially gave Jones their blessing, he sat with Richt at a nearby restaurant in June 2010. "Coach," Jones said, "I'm a Dawg."....

....As the 2013 draft approaches, Jones' neck will likely be evaluated once more. "There are no absolutes when it comes to stenosis," says ESPN injury analyst Stephania Bell, a board-certified orthopedic clinical specialist. "It's not uncommon for doctors to have differing opinions, and players must be evaluated on an individual basis. But if the condition is severe, injury could result in permanent neurological damage."

Jones insists that his neck is fine. No pain. No numbness. He says the injury's lone lingering effect is mental: "I know what it's like to not have this game in my life."
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http://espn.go.com/college-football...s-jones-long-journey-back-field-espn-magazine
 
A thing to keep in mind about his injury is this, Jones has now been 3 years back in football with no sign of the issue coming back. He redshirted his 1st year at Georga and played all year on the scout team. Then he was an All American in 2011 and 2012. Its not like this was his first year back from the injury.
 
AthensFin said:
My evidence is based on a few things. For one, UGA doctors said he was cleared to play. If a normal person in the real world gets a diagnosis, they can seek a second opinion which may be different than his own doctor's. USC said he was a liability, UGA said he wasn't. I'm not a doctor, but the point is that some medical professionals thought he was fine. I'm quite sure that we wouldn't lie to him and tell him he's ok to play if he actually wasn't, all in a ploy to get him to come to UGA.

Second, he played all year (aside from a groin injury, which isn't the issue in question) and had no repercussions. He was flying around, making tackles, putting his head down, getting blocked, etc. and had no trouble at all with his neck or spine. His injury was over 2 years ago. I mean, yeah I guess if he gets his neck squashed or mangled like David Pollack did then he'll have an issue, but any human being on earth would in some cases. What I'm saying is that Jarvis has zero issues as of now with his injury over 2 years ago, and he's shown that on the field.
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Not very convincing.
 
Most of the main points regarding his spinal stenosis have already been made here. As PSU pointed out, Michael Irvin played long enough to have a Hall of Fame career with it. I remember when Chris Samuels was rumored to have it coming out of Alabama. He also managed to put together a borderline Hall of Fame career before it finally became an issue. Rob Gronkowski was rumored to have it. Basically, there's numerous players who are rumored to have spinal stenosis, and literally dozens upon dozens of players in the NFL that have been diagnosed with it. The main thing about it is that at some point it's likely to end your career at some point or catch up to you towards the end of your career, but it's not going to prevent a guy from having an NFL career. There's a lot of things that would cause me concern in a prospect over rumors of spinal stenosis.
 
and i guess this is how good/great players drop to round two. some team may luck out.
 
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