Jarvis Landry contract discussion megathread

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  1. DKphin

    DKphin A True Fan Donator

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    Note from Moderator - Please put all further debates, discussions and articles (at least until he is actually offered a new contract) in this thread, we do not need 20 separate debates regarding when/if Landry should be offered an extension.


    http://phinphanatic.com/2017/06/21/dolphins-might-better-served-waiting-jarvis-landry-contract/
     
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    Rumor has it he is asking for Top 3 money at this point. I love me some Landry as much as anyone else, but at that price, it's better to see what the market dictates.
     
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    Landry is nuts if he thinks he's deserving of top 3 money.
     
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    Easily my favorite dolphin but I offer 12mil per and not a penny more. If he wants to play out the year for 900k and risk injury then let him do him. Next year we can franchise him like the article says and open discussions again.
     
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    The problem here is that its a pretty foregone conclusion that Devante is about to be a monster. When that happens, if we've already given Jarvis his contract, we are basically forced to let Devante walk bc we will have too much money on the books with Stills and Landry...at least this is the way I see it. If im wrong please tell me bc I would love to be wrong here. I'm hoping we can keep all 3 of these guys for at least a few years but im not sure we can with all 3 playing at a high level. Truth be told though if Parker lives up to expectations, he will be more valuable as a true #1 than Landry could ever be
     
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    Completely conjecture at this point... just today I've read rumors that he is looking for top 3, top 7, and top 12 - which rumor is true? They're all rumors.

    At any rate, I wait and see how things play out we DVP, the OL, Tannehill, etc. At worst, we franchise him and give ourselves another year to decide... with that said, I wouldn't be surprised if they got an extension done before all of that.
     
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    If he was asking for Top 12 he would already have gotten paid for sure by now. If he was asking for Top 7 he probably would have also already gotten paid.

    Thanks how you know its really Top 3 he's asking for.
     
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    Top 3 money? Ridiculous.

    Julio
    Aj green
    Antonio brown
    Des Bryant
    Odell

    All clearly better. Then there's guys that had off years, injuries etc that all have higher ceilings. Guy can walk on franchise him.
     
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    This is complete conjecture on your part. And if I'm going to play that game with you, I will say that if he was getting offered top 7 money he would have jumped on it by now if they were giving a sizable amount of guarantees.

    If you ask me, as a business person, it makes MORE sense to "lowball" the extension given they have at least this full season to make a decision (at which point franchising him would be a very reasonable solution to extend for another year). Essentially, they're *guessing* 1-2 years early, so it would make no sense for the team to offer him their max spend when they're doing it early - which is a basic benefit of "extending guys early".

    He's probably getting a nice offer, but I'm guessing closer to top12 money with maybe a sizable guarantee. But he may be looking for something around 7th most money and that's why it hasn't gotten done yet.
     
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    This is a non-concern to me. The Gase lead Dolphins have shown they will take care of their own. Jarvis is Gase's most valuable player. He has said multiple times the rest of the team lives by what Jarvis does. This will get done.

    I am also not concerned about Parker's contract. He is heading in to year 3, so we have him locked up for 3 season if we take the option next year. Hopefully he becomes a true number 1, so we have to decide to keep Kennys final season or resign him, but there are so many variables before then it's not worth even thinking about.
     
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    If Caroo can, somehow, prove to be the WR he was in college then I believe that they let Landry walk if he wants too much money. I believe he has the talent but not the heart as Landry. We shall see
     
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    Can't even imagine Carroo stepping in for Landry. Idc how much he improves.
     
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    If Caroo can, somehow, prove to be the WR he was in college then I believe that they let Landry walk if he wants too much money. I believe he has the talent but not the heart as Landry. We shall see
     
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    He's gotta score more than 5 TDs a season to earn anything near top 5 money
     
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    Also if Landry leaves, we'll get a low 3rd rd comp pick assuming his replacement is already on the team
     
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    More likely a franchise tag and trade for a 1st or maybe a 2nd and 3rd.

    What other players are due for a new contract? and their expect numbers?
     
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    I keep reading that the Dolphins are wanting to get J. Thomas, D. Parker, Ajayi, Drake, Caroo and Jakeem Grant more involved in the passing game this season. (Didnt mention Fosano, who I think will be great for the Dolphins)

    If that happens, how many balls will Landry get, and will it be enough for the Dolphins to offer Top 7 money?
     
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    I agree. Landry's production will go down this year; giving him a big contract now would be a complete waste of money. Landry gets yards and 1st downs, but only scored what... 4 or 5 touchdowns? IMO, it was more important to re-sign Stills; a proven deep-threat WR would be harder to replace than a slot WR. Miami already has plenty of guys who can catch the short passes.
     
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    There is always the possibility, that if Parker comes on strong that they would cut/trade Stills after they pick up Parker's fifth year option so they could get the most out of Stills contract. Even though stills had a really good season last year, I still see them letting Stills go before they let either Parker or Landry go. But who knows? It's a crazy league
     
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    I seriously doubt we franchise Landry because that tag number
    would be a direct cap hit which will be in the $15-$16 million dollar range.

    Add that $15-$16 million dollar cap hit in 2018 to the increase
    cap hit numbers from 2017 to 2018 on just 9 players, which is an increase of $41 million
    to go with Landry's cap hit...$56-$57 million increase in our cap
    numbers from 2017 to 2016

    Now we can release players after this season to lower our cap hit but those
    released players will have to be replaced. Maxwell and Pouncey could save ^17 million on our cap
    if released after this season

    Suh's cap hit goes up by $7 million next season over this one
    Jones's cap hit goes up $7.8 million
    Maxwell's goes up $1.5 million
    Thomas's cap hit goes up $1 million
    Stills goes up $6 million
    Alonso's goes up 6.8 million
    Branch goes up $5 million
    Timmons goes up $4.4 million
    James goes up $6.6 million

    That's a $46.1 million cap hit increase on the above 9 players
    from this upcoming season versus next season not counting
    if we franchise Landry
     
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    I love Landry but he may price Miami right out of the bidding. Landry will see less targets this year so his numbers will drop, but he will still want to be paid top 7 wr money. If Caroo or Ford show any promise I'm saying they will let Landry walk unless his demands are lowered.
     
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    Carroo and Ford would have to show A LOT of promise! Landry brings intangibles that can't be overlooked. Hopefully, it gets done soon at about $12/mil a yr.
     
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    This is the OV situation all over again. If Miami doesn't sign him before the season then Landry is as good as gone. His price tag will only go up. Even if he has a bad year his asking price isn't going down. It's a lose-lose for Miami if they don't sign him prior to Week 1
     
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    I think it has more to do with Gase wanting to see how our offense evolves, balances rather than expecting Landry's ask to go down.
     
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    I like this philosophy. It certainly worked with Olivier Vernon.
     
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    i don't buy that he's looking for top 3 money...might be looking for top 5 considering his approach as in "if we have to we will play it out"...offer him top 10 and see if he bites...if not wait it out and hope dvp makes the leap so you gain some small bit of leverage back

    not that landry will care...he hits free agency he will command top 5 money...you pay top 5 money in free agency for non top 5 guys all the time...
     
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    But did it really? Sure we got the comp picks which are extremely valuable, but OV is a hell of a football player to lose. Look at the resources we are using to try and replace him. You've got Mario's contract, Branch, and now a first round pick. I like our situation at DE now, but it's been very costly to fix. Had we tagged OV, perhaps he signs with us for around 15 mil a year because he doesn't seem like the type that wants to play on a tag. My point is, we need to start using the franchise tag. Not the transition tag, but the franchise tag. It buys you time, isn't risky for the future, and you get to retain an elite player for another year in his prime. This is what we should do with Landry if things don't work out, buy time and another year of his prime. After that he can walk and still give us the comp picks in the future if necessary, but this franchise needs to start buying time, it's kind of valuable. If we want to truly compete with NE these next 2 years (hopefully they drop off after that) we are going to need Juice and that's only going to cost us around 9 mil per year on average which is an absolute steal. 2 years from now, everything will change, but we need to stay as competitive as possible through 2018, which coincidentally is the end of HoF Cam Wake's contract. Then a new era begins...
     
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    I guess I didn't lay the sarcasm on thick enough.
     
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    Landry is spoken of as the "heart of the team" or that he get's the offense fired up. Gase is gradually aquiring players with that same alpha attitude and team mentality, so the intangibles Landry has will be had by most. He is a slot receiver.
     
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    Don't have time to determine what's sarcasm and what isn't. We should still tag Juice like we failed to do with OV. Don't see any scenario other than a trade/injury where Juice isn't a Dolphin in 2018.
     
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    Unfortunately I think it's a very difficult time to use the franchise tag on Landry because
    that cap hit/charge will be in excess of $15 million. We have 9 players whose cap
    hit goes up $41.1 million dollars in our 2018 season add to that Landry's
    $15+ million and an increase of $60.5 million from 2017 to 2018

    That's quite a large cap increase without dropping players left and right
    I would imagine Pouncey and Maxwell will have to go

    Here's the 9 players whose cap hits increase in 2018 with Landry if franchised

    Landry...$15 million+ cap hit
    Suh's cap hit goes up by $7 million next season over this one
    Jones's cap hit goes up $7.8 million
    Maxwell's goes up $1.5 million
    Thomas's cap hit goes up $1 million
    Stills goes up $6 million
    Alonso's goes up 6.8 million
    Branch goes up $5 million
    Timmons goes up $4.4 million
    James goes up $6.6 million

    60.5 million cap hit increase...Welcome to 2018
     
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    That's pretty rough, but I imagine it would still be manageable. Teams are up against the cap all the time and still find ways to get deals done, like the Saints with AP. I think Tannehill would be open to restructure to keep Juice, money can always be moved around. I'm no cap expert and perhaps it would be financially unfeasible, but cutting ties with Pouncey and Maxwell would certainly help a lot. Hoping Pouncey can stay healthy, but very concerned he will not (obvi). When you look at it from a 2 year perspective, even with the tag Landry is a steal. This year it's almost just criminal, he should protect his future and sign now for around 12 mil imho, that's what I would do. But I'm no Juice, more like a dry wine lol.
     
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    Well, then I guess before we reach 2018...

     
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    NO it didn't! Miami could have kept Vernon and paid him about 1/3 of what he makes now if they were proactive and didn't drag their feet in contract talks. They knew they liked him, they knew they wanted to keep him, they dragged their feet for over a year to the point where OV said, nope not talking contract I will test FA. Then FA comes and he has a bunch of offers Miami can't come close to matching. Same could happen to Landry. Just sign him now his value is only going to go up, it never goes down.

    Would be nice to have OV still and have him making average money. The Front Office blew that
     
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    IT WAS SARCASM. Read the thread. I just said that earlier.
     
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    4/44 million for Landry or take the 3rd round comp pick and cash
     
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    Ya I don't think we should risk losing one of our best players and the heart and soul of the Miami Dolphins.

    I can see him agreeing to a 5 yr 65 mil contract..Someone will pay it if not us

    We CANNOT let Jarvis leave.

    He's the one player I consider the reason for change in Miami. He's been a godsend.

    I know the lack of Tds but he's so much more than just a great receiver.

    He instills fear into opposing Dbs with his blocking and aggressive play.

    He makes plays out of nothing. Our offense would be a joke without him.

    It could also be risky not getting a deal done this year. (He may get 12 tds this upcoming season)

    The guys breaking records and is already a top 50 NFL player. (A little high to me but the players think otherwise)

    Please don't risk the chance when we're signing Kenny Stills to a contract worth 8 mil a year. (they're not even close in any department except for speed which goes to Stills)

    We need to keep him a Miami Dolphin for his career. Make it happen!!

    PHINS UP!!!
     
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    Giving Landry top 5 money does the team more harm than good
     
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    Looking at WR $, accounting for rising cap and his leadership. I draw the line at 4/48. Not a penny more
     
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    Who on offense?

    Who cares where he lines up on the field when he's producing record stats.. (Patriots sure do well with slot receivers)

    Not one person on here would say he's not the heart and soul. (It may sound cliche but our culture has changed a full 180.)

    He's a top 50 player..The players know the NFL has changed.

    Lining up in a nickel formation on D is becoming the norm as is having a great slot receiver.
    (Odell lines up in the slot a lot as well, not as much but my point is the NFL has changed)

    We know how valuable a stud slot receiver is from watching Brady dink and donk all game long for almost 2 decades now while winning 5 Sbs.

    Landry isn't your typical slot receiver. (He's the best in the league at playing the slot)

    He's strong as hell, tough, aggressive, a playmaker, doesn't drop passes, can play X or Z if needed, top tier blocking receiver, elite quickness, etc..

    The perfect WR..http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...wr-odell-beckhams-hands-dez-bryants-strength-

    For anyone from the Dolphins to get that much love shows his greatness and he's the face of our franchise.
    (Maybe Gase but not to the average NFL fan)

    If we don't pay him, someone else will. I would be sick.

    We cannot let that happen. Parker and Stills haven't shown enough.

    Losing the #42 best player in the NFL over money would be stupid.

    Losing Landry would be a huge hit to our franchise considering what he's accomplished for the last 3 years.

    Other than dumba$$ penalties, the guy barely has any flaws in his game (speed but quickness is more important IMO)

    PHINS UP!!!
     

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