Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by FinAtic8480, Jan 25, 2011.
Ricky may have burned his bridge, but I think he is a better option than Ronnie...
ricky would be a one year deal and the cheaper of the two. I doubt ronnie would accept anything less than a 4 year deal.
Not suprised here. Always thought the best option was to bring one of them back and draft a young speedster to groom. I can see Hilliard getting cut and Cobbs and Sheets as our other two RBs. Right now I would rather keep Ronnie over Ricky, but only if he is not overpaid.
There is only two things I can think of that makes Ricky better than Ronnie.....speed and durability. Other than that Ronnie is better at everything else. I also think that Ronnie, if given 20-25 carries a game, could easily be a 1500 yard back....if he stays healthy.
Please no more Ronnie.
He was so done LAST year.
You do know this is 2011 right?
Even at his age, Ricky is more productive, more talented, and has always been better than Ronnie running the ball.
Ricky has lead the NFL and college in rushing. Ronnie had 1000 yards, once?
Ronnie has not even proved that he can regularly finish a NFL 16 game season.
I would take Ricky and pay him decently. He deserves it.
We might be able to get something for Ronnie in a sign and trade.
It will be very interesting to see who stays!
Ricky clearly has better vision, better cutting ability, better lean with a better pad level, and he doesn't dance around like a JackA$$ in the backfield and hits the hole a lot quicker.,
to name just a few things, Homer.
How would we manage that? Considering he is a free agent? If you franchise him, nobody will trade for him since he will feel he is worth way more money. With the way Ricky has been lately i can't see them bringing him back, but then again nothing surprises me with this FO. I personally think we need to move on from Ricky, think we should have done that when he retired. I like the guy and all, but sometimes you just gotta move forward.
He also fumbles more, goes down easier, cuts up his own teamates and coach in the media. They both dance, every running back in the league dances when they take a handoff and notice the DL in their face already. Our run blocking was poor this year, our whole offense was poor. I am not sure if it was the players quiting on Henning, or just bad players. But that offense was offensive. Everytime we had a running back start to produce, we cut his nuts off by subbing in the other runner. Or by going to 90% passing.
Sorry but that's just not true, Ricky atleast gave the effort to hit the hole with some kind of authority. He knew the line was eff'd but he still went with the designed play, Ronnie was playing pattycake while Ricky out produced him all season long.
I'd love to keep Ricky. I need at least ONE jersey of a player still on this team!
Another mistake...these guys are both done.
with the same crappy offensive line this year Ricky had a 4.2 YPC average and Ronnie had a below average 3.7
Last year with the healthy offensive line, Ricky averaged 4.9 while Ronnie averaged 4.4 ( at the week 10 point when ronnie got hurt).. a half yard for YPC is huge in the NFL..
and Ricky had to suffer from the injuries on the O-line later in the season and still outperformed Ronnie when Ricky had a very healthy 4.7 total YPC number at end of the season
You are probably right, we should just cut our losses with Ronnie Brown.
My choice would be Ricky. Although I'm not making decisions.
Ronnie has always waited for blocking to develope. It's what serves him so well in the Wildcat. Only difference with wildcat is, he gets the snap. I watched many times the oline get blown up in Ronnie's face, even happened to Ricky. It killed our running game. And it effects you as a runner mentally. You wonder on the next run, how soon someone is going to be in your face. I even watched AP on days he was having a rough time of it, teams would break thru his Oline and disrupt him. Did he dance? Sure did. Do I want my Running back to hit the hole faster? Sure do, but the hole has to be there consistantly for that. Not to mention that most of Ricky's runs go outside the tackles, since he has better edge speed then Ronnie. But our interior online was not very good this year, and when they did play good, we abandoned our running.
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Should cut our loses on both.
Then keep Ricky if people are so in love with him, after he outed the Coach, and players in the Media instead of keeping it behind doors. I want to move on from both.
So he outed the coach and the players. Big deal. That week was a total circus and I am sure he would apologize for his lack of common sense. Sid has a way of getting Ricky to say stuff during the RW show to stir up the controversy. Ricky should be more careful.
The bottom line is that we need to resign Ricky to provide a cost effective quality stop gap runner until we can obtain a high quality replacement. I do not want to go back to the days when we were searching for a back and were drafting Sammie Smith's or Kareem Jabbars out of need. Ricky has a few more good years and all of the statements will be mended in the locker room.
If you want to move on from Ricky, go ahead. But do not be surprised if he is resigned. It is clear to most (except for those who have #23 jerseys) that he is better than Ronnie.
I have both jersey's But i would still move on from both. If they feel one is needed then sure bring back one. I think our running problems were far deeper then our Running Backs.
Ricky burnt bridges ? And the owner met with a prospective HC while his own HC was sitting back in the office ? Hell no, Ricky burnt no bridges.
Give them both a one-way ticket out of Miami........Time to move on without them.Neither is so special,that they can't be replaced.I want Ingram,or maybe a FA like Bradshaw.
This wasn't about who I want to keep. My 2 posts in this thread were a response to someone as to who's the better back on the field.. it had nothing to do with off the field shenanigans.
My opinion on which to keep ? I am ready to move on from both to inject some youth as backs aren't hard to find.
You people also need to realize Ricky knows what it takes to be a champion, we are drafting a running back this draft.. Would you rather the career let down mentor, or the former Heisman winner/NCAAF/NFL rushing champ (who still out produces a kid with way less miles) ?
I really hope it's Ronnie, at a discounted price of course. Ricky didn't appear to have much left in the tank last season IMO.
Ronnie AND Ricky are BOTH stick-a-fork-in-them DONE but Ireland thinks "there’s a chance we’d bring one of those guys back for sure". What a jackass! Running back is also the best and easiest position to fill thru the draft but Ireland thinks we should spend on either an over priced injury prone dancing queen or 68 year old has been. Jesus!
Ronnie showed NOTHING last year. He's always been an under-performer but last year he really fell off. And Ricky is just too damn old. Are you kidding me, these guys should BOTH be allowed to walk. Ireland is a dope if he signs either one of these RBs and we can't blame that on Tuna.
Champion?!?! Of what - bong smoking?!?! LOL at Ricky the 34 year old RB and his sidekick Ronnie "dancing queen" Brown. Awful!!!
Man, I don't know who i would keep. Ricky acts like he doesn't really want to be here, and he's getting old. But, Ronnie hasn't done too well the past two seasons, and he will be more expensive. I would just hate to see the Pats or Jets pick one of them up and make them look like allstars. (As usual)
i will take ricky everyday over ronnie
Not the first time Ricky burned his bridge in Miami.
He can always use the, "Sorry, smoked too much pot right before the radio show," excuse with Sparano.
Wow how original!!
Ricky was the most feared RB of his time. He was a rushing champ.
Jesus christ to say Ronnie is the better of the two is just plain ridiculous last year Ricky looked like he never lost a step,but this season playcalling and the lack of a strong interior line killed them both not knocking Ronnie he does have what it takes but still needs to work on hitting the hole instead of stutter stepping all the time but pure talent no way when a dolphins running back has a season close to Ricky's 2002 then Ill agree
Well that 34 year old bong smoking champ still ran for over a grand and double digit td's last season so he still has something left in his tank, not to mention how many times did we run the ball this season hardly ever and our line blew *** as well
I would like to keep Ronnie for cheap money as long as we draft or sign a speed RB.
I think you hit the nail on the head. I'm not sure if people actually watch the games around here or just watch Ricky Williams youtube highlight videos. I would of taken Ricky over Ronnie years ago but given the choice I'd take Ronnie right now. I'm tired of Ricky using us Dolphins.
Ricky will be the less expensive option of the two, so he will prolly be the keeper...
God this crap again Ronnie has never been capable of getting 1500 yards. One damn thousand yard season and six years and still people believe this crap no offense
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Behind the same line Ricky averaged a half yard more per carry so how is Ronnie better than him.
uhhh what else is there. Speed and durability basically sums it up. Ronnie will never sniff 1500 yards, stop drinking the kool aid, it's time to realize he was never an elite back as many of the Ronnie homers think, wasted #2 pick. He couldn't even win the starting job in college.
I wish I could give you 100 thanks!
Ricky is the more talented back bar none, but his time has past. It doesn't seem like a good business move to give a contract to a 34 year old running back over a 29 year old running back. Ricky has proven he can't handle the load either, he broke down at the end of '09.
Ricky in his prime > Ronnie in his prime. But that was then, this is now.
Ricky handled the road at that age better than Ronnie ever did. That one season was better than anything Ronnie ever did.
Both backs in their prime, it isn't even close. Ricky
Dude I like Ricky - or should I say LOVED Ricky (as in past tense) as a player - but......c'mon man, he's a 34 year old RB. You don't think we can do better in the draft? You think he's not gonna wear down further in 2011. Ricky will slow down. You simply can't beat father time. Ricky > Ronnie at any age but I don't want either at this point.
Put me on your bandwagon, I'm in bro!
I agree we need to find our future RB in the draft just saying if I had my choice between one of the two comming back I would take Williams along with the other rb we get via free agency or draft
6 of one and a half dozen of the other. Eitherway, fix the line and create a passing game and they both could be productive here but if they are thinking either back can carry this offense they are sadly mistaking. They would be fine for picking up small gains to keep us out of 3rd and long situtations but they are not big play backs.