i dont care whose elite and whose not. all i can tell you is if i have a choice of which team to play in one game, new england or the jest, i would take playing against jest 10 out of 10 times. i always look forward to our annual win against the jest. after all, they are the worst team in the afc east long history.
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I honestly made the Eli comment just to irritate you. >:-}
It doesn't matter how tough your opponent. A win is a win, whether its by three point ls or twenty.
And again, those two title game appearances are only impressive in a divisional pissing contest. And in a division that has the Patriots in it, it is even less impressive. But you'll just throw the narrowed timeline at me again so whatever.
As for teams I consider elite, The Patriots and the Steelers are the only two that I think of when you say elite.
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my mistake but I said we weren't elite in 2011 but taking the last 3 years into account we have been an elite team in those 3 years overall.
Since 2009:
Jets 4-2 in postseason including whipping of Pats
NE 2-3 including being whipped by the Jets at home
It's nice that you have such high standards for your team where you are out of the race by October but are happy to win a meaningles game against us. When we dominated Miami in the late 90s-early 00s(won 8 straight) and Miami was making the playoffs while we were missing most years I wasn't happy.
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I use the narrow timeline b/c that is when rex took over and it is recent, relevant history.
In that span the Jets have advanced further than NE 2 of 3 times, have twice as many playoff wins and beat up NE on the road in the '10 div rd. How are the Pats elite and the Jets not?
An elite team wins championships. Pittsburgh, New England, New Orelans, Green Bay, N.Y. Giants. These are elite teams. Period.
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Winning two SBs in four years isn't elite? How do you figure?
Who do YOU consider the elite teams?
They've won a Super Bowl (three actually) in your lifetime. That's how.
We are discussing the last few years not their dynasty from last decade. I think NE is an elite team the last few years butt he Jets are as well having advanced further 2 of the 3 years.
The last few years which coincidentally are the Jets best years over the last 20. No. You want to count the elite teams in the last 10 years? Giants, Steelers, Packers, Patriots. The last 5? Giants
Coincidentally they are the Rex years and the CURRENT years.
Last 10 I'd say NE, NYG, Pitt, Indy, NO, GB
up next we'll discuss elite teams from 1972-1982
Those are all teams that won the Super Bowl in that time frame. A team that lost 2 AFC Championship games before going 8-8 in year 3 doesn't belong on an elite list. If they did, Bal would go on it before the Jets would. At least Bal has 2 AFC North divisional championships to go along with their 2 losses in the AFC Championship game in the last 4 years.
I'm not going to discuss the 1972-1982 time period b/c why do it? Before my time and not relevant to what we're discussing.
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This is what common sense looks like. It's one thing to feel your team is a good team and can compete with others. It's another to fail to realize they shouldn't be put into a group of teams who have won a trophy (or numerous).
over a decade? I'd agree that wouldn't cut it but in the rex years which are only 3 seasons the jets have been an elite team.
AGAIN, they were not elite in 2011 but totalling up the last 3 years they are b/c A) no team has more title game apps, B) no team has won more playoff games, C)no AFC team has won as many playoff games.
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so 2002 is relevant today? How so? should I discuss how Chad Pennington, Laverneous Coles, Wayne Chrebet and santana Moss will do against Sam Madison and Pat Surtain?
They aren't elite b/c they haven't won a Super Bowl. They haven't even gotten to the Super Bowl. You are not elite if you haven't won.
You continue to say "Under Rex" b/c that's your mask to cover their inefficiency from anywhere between 2000-2008 or before. How can the Jets be considered in the same group as GB, NYG, and NO?
It's like a 4th grade quiz question.
Which team does not belong in this group?
a. New York Giants
b. Green Bay Packers
c. New York Jets
d. New Orleans Saints
The common denominator between three of those teams is clear as day.
I continue to say under rex b/c that is relevant. Would you prefer I discuss Brett Favre and Chad Pennington? how is that relevant to this discussion?
Those other tams are SB champs, they don't get crowned elite. There is only 1 SB champ per year, there are multiple elite teams per year and under rex the Jets have been one.
2002 is relevant to the discussion b/c the Patriots were SB Champs in 2001, 2003, and 2004 with the same HC/QB combo. I dare you to find five people who feel the New England Patriots are not an elite team because their last SB win was 8 years ago.
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How can there be multiple elite teams each individual year? There is only one elite team!