John Abraham

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  1. MiamiDolphins34

    MiamiDolphins34 A True Fan

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    Id like us to sign DE John Abraham.I know he is injury prone..but when healthy.. hes one of the best DEs out there.I know hes a RDE but hed still be a sack machine at LDE and hes so agile that he could play somtimes as a LB in the 3-4.

    John Abraham-Kevin Carter-Manny Wright-Jason Taylor.
     
  2. paskerbrandon

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    No... to much $$$.. someone like Witherspoon would be nice...
     
  3. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Perennial All-Pro

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    Would never work like that.

    The DE opposite Taylor in the 4-3 is a 2-gap, bigger guy, a role Abraham could never play. Not to mention that a big part of the Defense is the ability to switch from different alignments from the same package, which would mean either Abraham or Taylor would have to play linebacker on any given down.

    I think it's not impossible if Miami drafts a DE/OLB like Manny Lawson they convert them into a weakside linebacker, but I doubt they grab someone like John Abraham.
     
  4. Itsdahumidity

    Itsdahumidity Pro Bowler

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    Next time I see Abraham shed a lineman's block and tackle a rb behind the LOS will be the first.

    J. Abraham = one dimensional
     
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  6. MiamiDolphins34

    MiamiDolphins34 A True Fan

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    I dont really care if hes one dimensional as long as he gets over 10 sacks per season and puts constant pressure on the qb.
     
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    So let's break the bank on a player who will be the weak link in run D. How can you get sacks if a team constantly runs with success?
     
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    I dont know but he got 10 sacks.There will be times where theyll have to throw,no?
     
  9. dominizzo

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    We do not need De we need a nice Lb if no Peterson than we can adress it in draft Greenway Ryans Brooks and even Spencer HAvner
     
  10. Static387

    Static387 Again & Again

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    I'd rather draft Chad Greenway or Bobby Carpenter.
     
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    dol_fan_81 Pro Bowler Finheaven VIP Donator

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    although i not too much for drafting a LB in the first round, i think we need to bring in another good, young OLB
     
  12. unifiedtheory

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    John Abraham is a *****.

    The guy did'nt play a playoff game because he was hurt and did'nt want to risk more injury because of his pending free agent status.

    Plus, Abraham as a left defensive end would be a disaster. Teams would run it down his throat...it would be a track meet.

    We have Carter, Roth and Holliday that all play left defensive end. Abraham is far too one dimensional to be able to play in Saban's scheme anyway.
     
  13. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Perennial All-Pro

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    We did look at Derrick Burgess in the offseason, so Saban might not be completely against converting a smaller, speed rusher type DE to full time strongside linebacker.

    It's just got to be the right player. Like Manny Lawson. :bong2:
     
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  15. MiamiDolphins34

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    We could grab this guy in the 4th.
     
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    JA would command to much money and we also have a fleet on the D line as a whole. But for the right price:)
     
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    Burgess was brought before the draft and we picked Roth plus Burgess isnt small at all he is like 285 pounds.
     
  18. Jaj

    Jaj What you say?

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    He's not 285, just search his name under google it's not that hard :shakeno:
     
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    Will Witherspoon would be the perfect pick up for this team. I think he'd be wonderful in this defense, and he'd instantly be the third best player on the defense as well. A player like him is all we need. I'd love to get Julian Peterson, but I'd much rather sign an expensive CB like Nate Clements and land someone like Witherspoon.

    As for Manny Wright, I don't think he's ready to be a full time starter as of yet...
     
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    Been saying this all along.. Why sign someone like JP who is older, more costly, and more injury prone than someone like Witherspoon who is young and should come pretty cheap... Our LB's would look like this..

    LOLB - Witherspoon

    MLB - Thomas

    ROLB - Crowder

    Now tell me that isisnt scary for opposing teams... :evil:
     
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    OLB Cameron Vaughn
     
  22. Danny

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    I'd rather have Lawson or Carpenter myself unless we get Greenway at 16.I don't think we should spend our free agent money on a DE that plays the same position that JT plays....that's something that Wanny would have probably done but not Saban.

    Ozzy rules!!
     
  23. Jaj

    Jaj What you say?

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    You know eventually you get the point where you have to comment. Wanny had many many many faults, but it's not like he didn't have any abilities. He did bring in a slew of DEs that seemed to do well across from J.T. witout spending much. Jay Williams, David Bowens, and Ogunleye. I mean you can say sure it was J.T., but all three did pretty well outside of Wanny.
     
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    yes


    yes to Vaughn, everyone learn this guy's name.
     
  25. MiamiDolphins34

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    What round is he projected to go in?
     
  26. nyjunc

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    You are completely incorrect. Abe's only deficiency is staying healthy. obviously he is a great pass rusher(even better than Taylor) so people will always talk about that before anything else but he is solid all around at this stage of his career- not great against the run but solid.
     
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    Will Witherspoon doesnt fit the defense at all. He's got even less ability to take on and shed blockers then Zach Thomas and Derrick Pope, and the linebacker position Miami has open is one that plays up close to the line of scrimmage 90% of the time.

    Perish the thought, guys. Witherspoon is about as useful to Miami as a 3rd nipple.
     
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    Taylor averages .66 sacks per game
    Abraham averages .73 sacks per game

    Guess which one is higher? Taylor is w/o a doubt more durable but when Abe is on the field he produces.
     
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    John Abraham is a pure upfield, pass rushing player. If Abraham wasnt a cover-2 DE, he wouldnt have nearly the number of sacks and he would be a huge hinderence to a teams run defense. Guys like Simeon Rice, John Abraham, and Dwight Freeney get better sack numbers then Taylor, but none of them are nearly as versatile. Taylor is a much more disciplined player against the run then any of these players, both in pursuit and ability to shed blockers and play at the point of attack. He can be effective without penetrating defensive tackles and a quality rusher elsewhere on the D-line. He can drop back into coverage.
     
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    You are basically saying that John Abraham is a better player then Jason Taylor...

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    We haven't run a cover 2 since 2003.

    Taylor is not as good a pure pass rusher as any of those guys. I agree he's more versailte but Abe can play the run as well. Early in his career he could not but his game has progressed.

    I said better pass rusher which is their primary job so yeah I guess I am saying that. There's no doubt Taylor is more durable but when on the field Abe is better. The #s don't lie.
     
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    Jt is way better than Abes By FAr
     
  34. unifiedtheory

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    Dude....stop it.

    Sacks might be the most overrated statistic in all of sports. Abraham is a pass rusher....Jason Taylor is a defensive end...big difference.

    One player is very good against the run, the other is not.

    One player is ALWAYS on the field, even with injuries, the other is not.

    Saying that Abraham is better then J.T. could be the most unobjective thing I've ever heard on this board.
     
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    One player in 7 career playoff games has ZERO sakcs while the other in 2 has 2 sacks. Sacks are what pass rushers are judged by, it is what has made taylor a big time DE so please don't tell me sacks are overrated. Again, taylor is more durable but when both are on the field Abe is a better pass rusher.
     

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