Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by FinAtic8480, Feb 1, 2011.
Go look at at what he has done.
He got sacked 15 times and he hardly played!
Don't tell me, Im just the messenger.
He is just as plodding as Henne. His QB rating was as bad as Henne. He is only 218 and slow.
This has got to be THE smoke screen.
Hawley Crap!! What an enormous waste of a draft pick that would be.
Lol, Stop freaking out and take it as a rumor, that is all it is right now.
Better option than Vince Young.
This reeks of AJ Feeley
People say Cam Newton is JaMarcus Russell v2.0 and people get mad and say the only reason that comparison is made is because they're black.
Then those same people say that Kevin Kolb to Miami is the same thing as AJ Feely.
Last time I checked we don't run a WCO. If the Eagles rip these idiots off again with one of their system QB's, WOW.
You are talking to someone who was extremely high on Kolb when he came out of college, I just don't see what he has done in the pros that makes him such a hot commodity.
He hasn't done anything. That's a plus in my book. We know what Vince Young is. Kevin Kolb hasn't played enough to prove anything. Maybe he's not a West Coast Offense QB. Maybe that's why he has struggled with the little bit of playing time he has received. McNabb and Vick are very similar players. Andy Reid has embraced that kind of QB for a while now.
I'm not saying Kevin Kolb is the saviour, but how can people say that Vince Young is better than what we have and then snub their nose at Kevin Kolb.
I'm not a big fan of Kolb, but there's no doubt he's a better option than Vince Young.
You can not really say that with any certainity but he is certainly worth a look by our FO. Kolb is an unkown commodity at this point. The only thing we can do is speculate. Heres the big question I have: Are the Eagles trading him because of money or do they feel like they have seen enough of him to not want him.
Kolb isn't slow at all. Have you watched him play? He is an entirely different QB athletically from Henne. There are reasons not to want Kolb, but don't make **** up.
Trading him because of Michael Vick IMO.
I'm not making anything up. I looked up his forty time before I wrote that. The high 4.8's. You don't get sacked 15 times five games by being quick and elusive. Kolb is not an athletic QB.
I don't get the requirement of a 1st round pick for Kolb. He was a 2nd round pick, and he's done absolutely nothing to warrant a 1st. What gives? If we deal the 15th pick for him I will be furious and so should the rest of you.
If you can tell me that Henne will no longer be our starting QB next year, I don't give a **** who it is, I'll be happy.
The Eagles interior of the line might have been worse than ours. Kolb is regarded as a very intlligent player from what I heard and on Colin Cowherd yesterday he said his NFL sources told him he is Aaron Rogers from 3yrs ago.
Not that I have ever really seen him play (not many have) and not that I really believe this rumour but if they give up the #15 pick for Kevin Kolb I just might have to hang-up my jersey.
A #2, which we don't have, maybe.
The only way I do this is a swap of 1st's and maybe a player.....
1(15) and P.Merling for 1(23) and K.Kolb
Andy Reid set that one up as well. This time it will probably cost more than a second round draft pick.
I don't think McNabb and Vick are similar players, but both fit as WCO passers in different ways.
I see similarities among Kevin Kolb and Chad Henne, as both have rifle arm but lack of desired mobility. But I would stay with Henne, as he's on our roster and has more NFL started games. Kolb is a result of the system as placing him out of the WCO will downgrade his passing options.
Vince Young has maturity problems and his best games were on spread formations. An spread offense passer is risking his carer on each play and NFL teams use pro-style trying to protect their investments. So Vince might serve but would require a lot of work, specially with his mind. I see that as risky and unlikely.
I"d do it if we swap 1st's and we get Kolb and their 2nd. lol
I would really be angry if this FO gives up anything for Kolb...he has proven nothing and has even looked as bad as Henne at times, with a lot better offense to work with.
Trading for someone else's trash again.
Eagles going to hoodwink us again. I bet Andy Reid is specifically targeting Miami, like hey we got these saps before why not try again?
Some of the most sacked quarterbacks in the game are athletic. As a matter of fact, athletic quarterbacks that are able to buy time with their feet often get sacked more than pocket passers (like Peyton Manning, Tom Brady or Matt Ryan etc.).
Few, if any, quarterbacks get sacked more than the two that are in the SB. And they're pretty athletic.....
McNabb and Vick are the same player in the sense that they both collapse under pressure and take off running. But we've seen both players mature and develop their passing games. But the similarities are there.
Kolb and Henne...the similarities are there as well and I'd almost agree to stick with Henne. However, I wouldn't be too upset if we acquired Kolb. I'm not sure he's a system QB. I think too many of us buy into this system QB stuff.
Vince Young...dead on.
I haven't seen enough of Kolb to judge either way, but I don't think you can judge a player with that kind of sample size and come away with a true representation of who that player is. Matt Schaub's numbers when with the Falcons were somewhat similar to Kolb's, and Schaub turned out fine with the Texans.
****. Seriously. ****.
If it does happen and the CBA doesn't get done until after the draft, then the pick would have to be a 2012 pick. We would have a 2nd to use then.
Dear God, please no!
i dont see how you can compare getting Kolb for a 1st rounder (and more) to getting VY for free.
i do NOT want VY here, but id much rather have him for free than sending a 1st & 2nd (for example) to Philly
Geez, not again with the Eagles. Philly is a good organization and it would make no sense for them to trade Kolb if he were any good. He is younger and already under contract, if he were first round worthy material then they should keep him and trade Vick. Vick is not under contract and they would be able to get a 1st rounder for him easily, so it makes no sense trading Kolb if they think he can be their guy. They know he is limited so they are trying to sucker some organization into giving up more than he is worth. If the FO does not see this for what it is then they truly need to fired.
vince young likely won't cost high draft pick compensation...imo he's likely to get released...i'd rather pick up young off the street for a year and see what he's about than trade high draft pick compensation for kevin kolb or any other rumored available qb in trade
ha ha ha...good luck with that offer
If the price is right i say we grab him because he's better than anything we have....
I'm merely pointing out that for me to be okay with attempting to trade for K.Kolb is that it doesn't cost us much to take a chance on another QB.
I could say the same thing as you to the Eagles for what they think they can ask for Kolb!
While I don't want either, I agree 100%.
Also, at this point, VY is the better QB. That's not saying much, but it is what it is.
Like AJ Feeley - and the similarities are unsettling, Kolb will turn out to be "fools gold."
Personally, if it boiled down to "either/or," I'd rather stand pat with the guy, now with a geriatric albatross off his back, who this time last year was considered by many the division's 2nd best QB, than trade anything higher than a 3rd for an unproven, spotty one hoping he'll prove a rare exception to the "college spread offense QBs fail in the NFL" generalization
Better option. I didn't mention anything about a cost. Just said he was a better option at the position and he is. Kolb still has a chance. Dude has hardly played. There's not a large enough sample size. We know what Vince Young is...awful.
Please god no..
Oh Deer sweet Merciful Crap, why??? I'd rather start Kapernick if we drafted him.
The guy doesn't throw deep period. He is as average as they come
We can't trade for him anyway until the collective bargaining agreement is settled which most people are reporting won't happen until after the draft. If we still want him after the draft we will have to offer future draft picks or players for him.
Lame duck regimes like this one shouldn't even be allowed to trade away draft picks.... especially for more of other team's backups, scrubs, and castoffs.
That's why the Miami Dolphins just keep repeating the same disaster over and over again. It's not like the Dolphins fanbase hasn't already seen these incompetent, lame duck regimes mortgaging the future by trading away draft picks in an attempt to save their jobs.
There's a reason why all these morons almost got fired in the first place... they can't evaluate the QB position at all. That's why Miami is in this mess to begin with.
The last thing these idiots need to be doing is pissing away draft picks in order to get some scrub in here who "might" be just good enough to keep them hanging around another year...
Anytime you have a lame duck regime looking to trade away draft picks out of desperation because they don't have a clue what to do at the most important position, it's already a failed regime.
I'm going to laugh my a** off if these morons start trading away draft picks for scrub quarterbacks.
vince young is not awful...he's not a franchise qb but i can assure you he gives dcs nightmares in preparation...dual threat but not a pure passer by any means...needs a strong running game to mask his weaknesses in reading coverage and having a pretty average by nfl term arm
hell...he's taken us to the woodshed before i know that
I see your point and agree to an extent, but how would the Eagles be able to trade Vick being that he is not under contract next year? The Eagles are in a bit of a bind because w/Vick's contract expiring, they have to re-sign/tag him and make a rather large investment, or move on and get nothing for him. Given his play this year, the decision is a rather easy one to make. If they keep him, moving Kolb is also a rather easy, logical decision to make, and if they're going to move Kolb, the time to do so would be this offseason.
Exactly, Wanny did it, Saban did it and Cam Cameron did it.