Kiper says we should have taken Ryan. This guy is crazy!(video)

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  1. TonySporanoTuna

    TonySporanoTuna I'm a huge douchebag

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    http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4018087&categoryid=2378529

    He is going off on this guy like a maniac the whole time. He says if you have the number one pick signability shouldn't matter, and if you have Long who is okay or Ryan who is great you take Ryan.

    I of course completely disagree. I'd much rather have Long and Henne.
     
  2. RonBrown

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    His man-crush for Matt gets the best of him all the time, I'm just suprised he is still talking about it. (Jake Long was a pro-bowler)
     
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    Matt Ryan would have been out for the year since his blind side wasn't being protected nearly as well as Jake Long could have protected it..
     
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    TonySporanoTuna I'm a huge douchebag

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    I know. Kiper is crazy. He usually has good insight, but this mancrush on Stafford is dumb. I go to UGA and watched Stafford last season. He was terrible most of the time. He would have huge games against crappy teams, and that was it. He has the attitude of a Ryan Leaf instead of a Big Ben or a Peyton Manning.
     
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    Kiper was a Congressmen in a previous life.
     
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    I don't care what anyone says, I love Kiper.

    So what, his opinion we should have taken Ryan? It's not like he looked like a bust his first year. Henne hasn't played a down yet, so in reality, if he is a bust then he is right about us not taking Ryan.

    I myself would rather have Long and Henne too, but that's with my thought that Henne is our Qb of the future.
     
  7. RonBrown

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    definitely

    Yeah man I think Stafford excelled due to the excess talent around him, if he is picked early in the draft that isn't gonna be there. He is decent, but I think Detroit needs to build the lines etc before filling such a big position such as QB.
     
  8. X-Pacolypse

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    Kiper better save his breath, because he's going to be livid when he sees the Lions take Smith over Stafford.
     
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    I should have known!!!

    No good can EVER come out of a thread that starts with "Kiper Says....."
     
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    what's wrong with Kiper? that's easy...the guy thinks he know everything.....he think HE should be in charge of the draft for EVERY team in the NFL and if the teams do what he says then every team would win the superbowl.

    Ozzy rules!!
     
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    Well until any of us get paid to voice our opinion on the matter I think kiper stays ok with me ....Its HIS JOB people relax
     
  12. X-Pacolypse

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    I think all of us understand that's it's his job, but he doesn't have to carry himself like an arrogant, and pompous gasbag all the time. I'm glad Mel started this whole "draft craze", but I'm so GLAD that Mike Mayock is around to offer an alternative to Lord Hair Spray.
     
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    Fact of the matter is that both players (Long and Ryan) have bright futures in the NFL. Long was clearly the safer pick and the Phins were in a position where they couldn't afford to screw up.
    Ryan had a very good rookie year, but frankly I think his accomplishments were overblown. He doesn't look physically dominant like Marino did when he took over, yet I heard some pundits comparing them. Implying that Ryan has that same potential.
    Ryan had a good running game protecting him. Marino took over when the Phins offense was anemic and he just put the entire offense on his shoulder and won games single handedly. Marino forced defenses to change the way they defended the pass.
     
  14. Zounds

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    Kiper is a tool and f's up more often than he is right. Ive seen 15 year old kids in the draft forum predict better.
     
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    It doesn't mean we made a mistake taking Long over Ryan. But taking Ryan would have been better because you get a franchise QB. I hear they don't grow on trees so if you can get one then you bet your *** you choose him. I'm not upset with our pick though. Last years draft is the best draft we have had in YEARS! I'm surprised at the fact that last year we didn't even seem like we were considering him as a choice. That is a bit puzzling. Maybe the FO just didn't think there was much separation between Ryan, Flacco, and Henne. With their track record I give them the benefit of the doubt and hope they are right!! :crazy:
     
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    I hope Henne makes him eat his words over the next few years!!! Thats all i have to say about that
     
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    Who cares what Kiper says?
     
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    I like kiper also,but he makes people look stupid if you dont agree with him.
     
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    Hey, you know what else doesn't "grow on trees?" FRANCHISE LT's!!! While the post Marino quarterback drought was much more publicized, the gaggle of LT's that preceeded Richmond Webb weren't all that great either. I'm so happy to have Jake Long on our team!
     
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    Beats having a bum like Wade Smith at the LT spot.
     
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    It's a pretty easy thing to say after the fact. If Ryan came out and flopped he would have said we made a brilliant move. I hate Kiper. He was always popular bc he was pretty much the only analyst, now that they have mayock and other he really looks more like an idiot.
     
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    We got a franchise QB in the second round if Im not mistaken
     
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    Kiper is a dolt.
    No one pays attention to him anymore.
    Everyone sees Mayock is infinitely better. ESPN just jams their fool down our throats. Just ESPN can't promote the NFL network guy. Kiper's ego has gotten so big over the years, because he was the only game in town. I'd prefer Mcshay over Kiper, at least hes in touch with reality.
     
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    Wow I just saw that McShay vs Kiper video about signability. I thought they would have thrown punches if they weren't in separate locations.
     
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    I want Tebow.
     
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    You're the only one.
     
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    But then there is Mayock saying Jake is no Left tackle....How bout Pro Bowl LT there mike! These guys talk and talk so of course they will screw up but they push there guys and to them, its them being consistant.

    Its just talk. Thats why they do what they do and they dont do it for a team. Its just talk.
     
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    At least with Mayock, he's not being arrogant about it and giving reasons why he feels that way. With Lord Hair Spray if a team doesn't pick, who he feels they should pick he goes off on tangents about what a stupid pick it was.
     
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    Mayock never said that Jake was not a LT, he said it would be better to transition him to LT over a couple of years because he needs work in his pass protection. He was and is still seen as a run blocker first and foremost.

    Here is Mayock's quote:
    "He's got the talent, the toughness and the emotional stability to play left tackle at a high level, if he's transitioned over time ... I know he's a good athlete; I know he's left-handed and is used to playing the left side. With all those things, I think he could be inundated his first two seasons because I've seen tape when he goes up against defensive ends with NFL-type speed, and he struggles a little bit."

    Yet he still ranked him as his #5 prospect in the draft (Ryan, C. Long, Dorsey, Gholston.)

    Jake clearly hooked up with a great OL coaching staff in here in Miami and developed his Pass blocking, that made him a pro-bowler.
    But to be honest he hasn't really been challenged by a true speed rusher, excpet for Mario Williams (who I actually remember switching to Careys side at times in the game.)

    My main hatred for Kiper is his absolute arrogance. It's his way or everyone is wrong and then barraded for it. No one can predict that draft, and I'm not excpeting that from anyone, but it seems like Mayocks opinions are based on study, while Kiper bases his guts.
     
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    I think your just jealous of his awesome hair:hump:
     
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    His hair is the main cause of global warming. All those damn CFC's that come out of those hair spray cans entering the atmosphere.
     
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    Easy to say after the fact! What if Ryan sucked then we would have been geniuses for taking Jake. What a joke
     
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    Kiper is an idiot who is never wrong :rolleyes2: I actually have to turn the channel everytime I see him cone on ESPN to give his insight. Mike Mayock is much better. Even Todd McShay is better imo.
     
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    I wonder if Kiper thinks we could have gotten a franchise left tackle with our second pick in the second round?
     
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    NO ONE was saying Ryan was gonna be great. In fact, he still has a long way to go before being considered great.

    But I remember Matt Ryan having a TON of question marks leading up to the draft. So he's full of you-know-what if he says a freakin year later that Matt Ryan should have been the #1 pick and is "great". Kiper is a clown.
     
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    Do you know what's more annoying than "Monday Morning QBs"? "Monday Morning QBs" that get shows on ESPN.
     
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    The fins dis the right thing, did you not see 2 years ago when the Qb was getting hammered, I don't care who the QB was if you don't build up your O-line then what's the point of having a franchise QB who is going to get hurt?.
     
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    All are equally good to me.
     
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    In Stafford's defense....he had absolutely no help on the OL...it was a constant revolving door. Had he have a solid OL without the injuries he would have performed much better in pivotal games. Can't put all the blame on Stafford.

    You gonna hit the Phins game this upcoming season against the Falcons??
     
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    I liked the Long pick but Ryan is a special player so who is to say he is wrong. I wanted either Jake Long or Matt RYan so Im ok either way.
     
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    This comes from an article called the Ryan Leaf fiasco: 10 years later.

    "The draft this year featured 2 franchise quarterbacks, Washington States Ryan Leaf and Tennessee's Peyton Manning. Manning was the projected top pick, but Kiper said Leaf had a mental advantage over Manning. The Indianapolis Colts had the first pick, as Kiper predicted back in 1994 (how dare they pass up Trent Dilfer)."

    Kiper seemed upset about nothing, and seemed like an unlikeable fellow. I was happy with our picks last year. I didn't see a need to get Ryan killed because we had no LT. Things worked out for the best for the Miami Dolphins. I apologize for not putting the link up but I have to have more than 20 post.
     
  42. Fish-Head

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    Honestly I think in this case both teams got exactly what they needed... With the Vick fiasco Ryan is the perfect fit there to wash that bad taste out of their mouth and take that team to the next level... The fact that Tuna is in charge here and puts a primium on building from the trenches on out, means that Long was the perfect fit for us and what is happening here.. Hence a team goes from 1-15 to 11-5...
     
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    I disagree, it's Kipers job to evaluate college talent, not tell Pro football teams who they should draft. Kiper can't look at one player and say take him or else, it doesn't work that way. If the Dolphins were as high on Ryan as they were on Long they would have taken Ryan, but Miami had a plan. And they have a guy in BP who knows how to rebuild pro football teams, Kiper doesn't. The guys an idiot, crying over who didn't take whom. Get over it Mel!!
     
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    I think you have to judge these two after their third year, then they'll have an established track record. Defenses will know their strengths and weaknesses. Henne will probably be the starter and might make Kiper forget about Ryan. Ryan has to prove it over the course of time, and avoid the 'sophomore jinx'. Same with Long, but I think that's more of a 'sure thing'.
     
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    I disagree....he knows what teams need, and he considers him the best at evaluating talent coming out of college. Its his job to make it entertaining, telling fans who their team should draft during all rounds. I think he does a great job. People just hate color guys when they don't agree with their team. I'd rather him than another talking head behind the desk.

    And for all the complaints out there about him...here we are on page 4 hating Kiper.....sounds like he's a success to me. Anyone else's mocks or draft calls stir up this much conversation and controversy? Nope.

    He basically is the first to create all the buzz for draft day, so even his haters have to give him some credit.
     
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    In the annual Huddle Report Evaluation, for 08, Kiper's accuracy was ranked tied for 29th.His 3 year ranking is better at 9, but STILL numerically well below Rich Gosselin and Clark Judge. At best Kiper is a middle of the pack "guru" whose opinion may carry some weight but no where's as much as it did a few years ago. IMO, he's just another ESPN clown .

    http://www.thehuddlereport.com/Free/mockdraftrankings.shtml
     
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    We got a potential franchise QB in the 2nd round. He still needs to prove he can do it. I am 100% in Henne's corner and hope he is the guy, but we just don't know yet.
     
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    Really? Since when did Mel talk to the Dolphin coaches and ask them which players they believe should be drafted and why? He didn't, how many pro football teams has Mel rebuilt? None! Every team is different they have different needs and philosophies obviously since Mel isn't a GM or Coach, how the hell would he know what teams need more and why?He wouldn't. All Mel can do is look at a teams overall weaknesses and suggest a player avalible in the draft to fill that position, he's not coaching the teams and he has no idea where each teams coaches and GM's are focusing their priorities and why, it's not that easy.
     
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    He's a commentator, not a coach. He observes the team from the point of an outsider, and comments from what he knows about the people entering the draft. That he does well. Nobody ever said he's a rebuilder of NFL teams...he just evaluates college talent and current NFL rosters and comments.

    You need to relax, or better yet....don't pay attention to an opinion that you think has no validity.
     
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    What does Parcells say?
     

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