Kiper's Big Board

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  1. fitskin

    fitskin Starter

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    I only saw about 5 seconds of it on Sportscenter. Can someone help me fill in the rest.

    1. Matt Leinart
    2. AJ Hawk
    3. DeMeco Ryans
    4. D Brickshaw Ferguson
    5. Jimmy Williams
    6. DeAngelo Williams?
    7. Chad Greenway?

    Keep in mind it was only seniors. Does anybody know the rest of the top 10. Thanks.
     
  2. Brsdd

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  3. dolphan117

    dolphan117 Premium Member Finheaven VIP

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    Cutler has moved up to 16. Isnt that about where we would pick?
     
  4. Namor

    Namor Pro Bowler Finheaven VIP

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    WOW,Being a Bama grad,I love DeMeco Ryans,but at number 3??
     
  5. bigmiamifan

    bigmiamifan Perennial All-Pro

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    I can't believe Winston is not on there.
     
  6. Danny

    Danny FinHeaven VIP

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    wow, if we want Cutler we'll have to take him right around where we are right now if not sooner.I know we're at 13 right now but we could move up or down....I think we're gonna stay right around where we are.If'd be nice to win out but is very posible that we go 2-2 in our last 4 games but if Cutler is the reward then I'm fine with it in the end.

    Ozzy rules!!
     
  7. Brsdd

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    Don't forget the list doesn't have juniors on it yet. Cutler's senior bowl and combine performances will ultimately decide where he goes, just as it did with Rivers.
     
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    It will all change with Jr's, and the combines.
     
  9. Namor

    Namor Pro Bowler Finheaven VIP

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    Yea,I know ,I was just hoping we could maybe grab
    DeMeco with our 2nd rounder or something.
     
  10. Agent51

    Agent51 A True Fan

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    I doubt DeMeco drops to the 2nd, with or without juniors.
     
  11. Buddwalk

    Buddwalk The Jukebox Hero

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    Demeco despite being #3 on that board will most likely be the 3rd or 4th linebacker picked in the draft...but the guys got tons of upside and could move up in the draft as much as demarcus ware did last year ;)
     
  12. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Prove It!

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    Yeah but the Big Board doesnt take into account where team needs will actually pick....Kiper ranks draft talent and not where he thinks they go necessarily.

    He is the #2 QB ranked (of those declared to come out). To many teams ahead of us right now that would grab the #2 QB before he slides to us.
     
  13. LostInPatsLand

    LostInPatsLand Pro Bowler

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    No way would I take Cutler in the first at this time. I'd love to grab him in the second. Of course this could change depending on his performances at the Senior Bowl and at the combine.
     
  14. Schleprock

    Schleprock Mad and Surt...Legendary

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    I can, Winston had a less than stellar year....especially considering the atrocity known as The U's O-line.
     
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    dolphan117 Premium Member Finheaven VIP

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    True, I was just suprised to see him ranked that high.
     
  16. Predaphin

    Predaphin Predator in the Water

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    Forget about Wisnston, where's Reggie Bush????
     
  17. LostInPatsLand

    LostInPatsLand Pro Bowler

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    Cutler is the hottest prospect in the country right now based on potential, which is very, very, very large, but to remain hot, he has to show his skills on a consistent basis during the Senior Bowl and at the Combine. If he does this, I would strongly consider taking him in the first, although Mueller has said on the record that he does not draft QB's in the first round. (But there is a first time for everything).
     
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    Understood....but I suspect he will slip down Kiper's board when underclassmen QB's and others declare and Kiper continues to adjusts his board. Then and only then will he fall far enough to a place Miami could grab him...but not convinced we use 1st round pick on QB from the middle of the pack. Now if we traded up, thats a different story.
     
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    Kiper only places folks who are Seniors or underclassmen that declare....once Reggie declares he goes #1 or #1a
     
  20. dolphan117

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    He only listed Sr's. This list will be shaken up when he adds the rest.
     
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    I wouldn't say Cutler is by any means the hottest prospect in the draft right now. He's rising, but he'll only be able to consolidate a mid-first round position by having a good Senior Bowl and Combine. Still, the more people catch on, the more I think maybe we could get away with taking him in Round 1. I had previously thought he was stuck in a bit of a hole...that is he'd be a reach where we pick in round 1 (which I assume will be around #15) but he won't fall to our pick in Round 2. If everyone starts grading him out as a mid-first round pick, that allows us to get him without "reaching" so to speak. From a valuation standpoint you never want to reach for a guy, even if he's the best player on your board...because if you know he's significantly undervalued on everyone else's board it would be costly to take him with an inappropriately high pick in that you should have the opportunity to capitalize on the value inefficiency by trading down.
     
  22. bigmiamifan

    bigmiamifan Perennial All-Pro

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    THe OL had a less than stellar year, considering his first year back from major knee surgery, I'd say it was successful. I've seen him listed on at least one mock draft in the first, so I was surprised not to see him in Mel's.
     
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    Whitedolphin54 From the land of legends

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    I aint happy with anything less than 4-0
     
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    he's overrated
     
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    winston is dropping he had major problems in a few games this season right now he his projected late second
     
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    i wouldn't go that far. he won't drop out of the top 25
     
  27. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Who D Best?

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    Yeah but remember last year Kiper had Dan Cody like the #2 best overall for a long time and then in the draft he fell to the 2nd Round.
     
  28. kastofsna120

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    that's becuase he had a miserable senior bowl
     
  29. jnewmant

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    i don't know if i'd pick up ryans anyway (this coming from a tide fan) he dosen't seem like he's got the size to play in our defense. He's listed at about 6'2" and at 235 but if anybody has seen him he looks to be about 225 or so. He'd have to bulk up by about 20-30 pounds to fit the 3-4 system saban is trying to revert to.
     
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    Where are all the people who were so sure Cutler wouldn't move up into the first round?
     
  31. LostInPatsLand

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    I guess I should better define what I meant by "hot." I mean fastest-rising prospect, which he clearly is.
     
  32. LostInPatsLand

    LostInPatsLand Pro Bowler

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    If Cutler does not have consistent performances in the post-season events, he won't be a first, unless a desperate team reaches for him.
    If the draft were today, I still think he's a second rounder based on consistency, though I really like him (see my avatar).

    A lot of these threads contain the same material...I find myself repeating myself...
     
  33. CMURPHY

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    i wonder were and if the qb from georgia shockley will get pick up by anybody
    i think a 5th or 6th rounder
     
  34. kastofsna120

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    except he WOULD be a first rounder, assuming young and quinn don't declare. even if only young declares, cutler is still a late first rounder. kiper has his stock high, which means NFL people have his stock high
     
  35. LostInPatsLand

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    There probably would be some desperate team that reaches for him in the late first right now. I wouldn't take him there until I see what he does in the post-season.
     
  36. Boomer

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    Ryans is a nailed on top 20 pick at worst.
     
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    I'd be surprised if he doesn't get picked in the top ten. Only the amount of quality junior players, could extend him past that.
     
  38. Namor

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    Hey Boomer,
    How do you feel about Brodie Croyle?
     
  39. DorsalPhin

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    Question:

    If Cutler is considered a slight reach where/when the phins pick in the 1st, do you take him or go for a Croyle or a Pinegar -type in the 3rd/4th?
     
  40. NaboCane

    NaboCane I'm on my comma

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    This is interesting too, his top 5 Senior QB's:

    Quarterbacks
    1. Matt Leinart, USC
    2. Jay Cutler, Vanderbilt
    3. Brodie Croyle, Alabama
    4. Barrick Nealy, Texas State
    5. Darrell Hackney, UAB
     
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    He plays tonight on ESPN2. I'll be watching.
     
  42. Boomer

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    Paul Pinegar is NOT a Miami style QB. He doesn't fit the offensive scheme.
     
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    Like him a lot, have done since he came to Alabama. He's my third ranked senior QB. If he can stay healthy, I think he's a starter in the NFL at some stage.
     
  45. Alex44

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    Yeah but remember this is mel kiper we cant take him serious
     
  46. kastofsna120

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    why? he has one of the best mock draft accuracy percentages around. he gets his information from NFL teams. if anything, he's the one guy we should listen to (not COMPLETELY, but you know what i mean)
     
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    yes I know what you mean

    But

    He is also the guy that said JT couldnt play in the NFL, and that ryan leaf was the next marino

    so I hope you also see what I mean
     
  48. Boomer

    Boomer FinHeaven Elite

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    That's a very foolish statement. Kiper has forgotten more about the draft than most people will ever know. He does the work. He watches as much tape as anyone you could ever name.
     
  49. kastofsna120

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    but everyone said that about both players. that's why leaf was drafted high and taylor wasn't
     
  50. Alex44

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    He has made a lot of foolish comments over the years and dumb picks for players to be great

    Almost all analysists hate him and say he has no more credibilty than their next door neighbor to do his job


    Yes sometimes he does a great job, but only by pointing out the obvious
     

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