Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by finsgonewild, Jan 29, 2018.
Deserves presence he is the fire on this s q u a d. Don't underestimate the power of the heart. Landry has the aura and high awareness of a Star! Im going to trust he will e l e v a t e his game
We have 2 players who could be considered elite.. Suh & Landry.
We don't have any other players who even come close to being elite.
I think we should keep him purely for this reason.
Welker was very good when he was a Dolphin. I was actually shocked when they let him go. And what did they get for Welker? Samson Satele....haha, pathetic...
Exactly. We should keep him simply because he is one of our only good players!
You can't possibly think Landry isn't significantly better than both of them
So s I m p l e. Keep this brother please..if he leaves I may follow him Oooo ^^
He's been a Fin for four years yet he may leave us and all of a sudden will 'light it up?'
Please don't ever use the Pro Bowl as an indicator of real world NFL football.
........and I have been parroting this from day, the Dolphins are willing to pay Landry (although I feel Gase is tired of his ***) just not what he feels he's worth. We are talking about the MIAMI DOLPHINS here folks, a team that is notorious for overspending.
You forgot Receptions.
Problem is, we over spent on guys we shouldn’t have - Cutler, Branch, Alonso and we are going to lose our best player as a result.
They don’t need to when they have elite talent at QB, TE, and coaching.
Landry isn't the kind of WR you spend elite money on. He's not elite, the offense struggled this year with him being a big part of it. It will probably be better next year without him
Dolphins got back a 2 and a 7 for Welker, a haul I'm sure they'd take back for Landry in a second
Somebody brough up Danny Amendola in another Landry thread as a reason why to keep Landry and I said that is exactly why you don't keep him for that price. Danny made 3m last season and is a free agent this year........hell let's double it and bring him down for the slot and we are still 8m to the good!
I understand the argument that Landry wants too much money, but IMO he's one of the players you consider overpaying to keep them around. Instead, the Dolphins grace us with overpayments on the likes of Kiko, Maxwell, Cutlet, and Branch. Which leads us to no longer having a choice on the matter to overpay Landry because Tannendumb already spent that money.
I think people are erroneously ignoring the possibility that he could take less to go to New England or some other competitor though. Landry wants to win, and he also wants to get paid. The Dolphins have rewarded him with nothing but hysterical incompetence and lowball money compared to his market. The Patriots don't like to overpay but they're not likely to turn down talent at a good price. I would definitely hold it against him if he picked the Patriots of all teams, but I do see it as a possibility. We'll just have to wait and see how much each of those factors in to his decision making.
Feel free to start a thread on a different topic.
6 million for a 32 year WR who has never started a full 16 games and barely plays half his teams snaps? I would hope not.
Yeah and my comment was at 3m a year I'd take Amendola and his injuries over 14m a year and Landry to play slot.
Welker Juice comparisons are actually pretty interesting to me.
Juice’s 1st year and Welker’s 3rd were very close in receiving production.
Welker not given much in passing game first 2 seasons but still managed (3) 2000 all purpose yard seasons. Something few have done. Landry record setting in quantity of catches thru 4 years.
Nobody valued Welker much before he left Miami because he didn’t actually score the TD’s. But he was a huge part of our scoring by moving the ball between the 20’s. He was a critical part of a 1/3 of our points whether it be a return to setup a short field or a key 3rd down conversion on scoring drive. The fact that we didn’t have a decisive enough QB at the time to take advantage of the option route at the goal line wasn’t Welker’s fault. Bellicheck saw this and knew Brady could use him as a scoring weapon along with moving the chains. Landry was seen in this similar light until this year when he scored 9 TD’s. Welker also had 9 TD’s when he bacame the primary target of Brady.
Welker actually changed the game. The option route to the slot became an easy way to move the chains in a league with rules favoring the pass. The Patriots became the highest scoring team in the league while Welker was controlling the game. When he left to go to Denver the Patriots scoring dropped back down under the 30’s. Manning used him in Denver to have the highest scoring offense ever. We never had the QB to take advantage of him. Shame. He improved both Patriots and Denver in scoring. Our scoring didn’t change much when he left but our record went downhill to 1-15.
Now onto running offense thru the slot and success. Welker was targeted by Brady pretty much like Landry has been here in Miami. The Patriots have been successful targeting a receiver 160 times. They never won the Super Bowl with this combo but it was very successful. It can be done. It surely isn’t a reason to get rid of Landry.
Final statistical comparison is actually very close
Welker 11 seasons receiving
115 targets per season
82 receptions per season
57 yards per game
11 yards per reception
1 TD every 25 targets
Landry 4 seasons receiving
142 targets per season
100 receptions per season
63 yards per game
10.1 yards per reception
1 TD every 26 targets
Was Welker ever in the top 5 paid WRs?
No, Welker got stolen by NE for around 4 million a year. 5 for $18M. Then they franchised him for one year at $9.5M before letting him go to Denver. At the time of Welker’s contract the top receiver contracts were around $10M per year. When they franchised him it was more around $13M. Then he took pay cut to go to Denver. So no he was never paid like top 5
They "poison-pilled" Welker's deal IIRC, and we had to trade him, which we drafted Samson Satele with.
Was it Welker's 1 receiving td in 46 games as a Dolphin that was very good?
Was it his 24 yards per game receiving in those 3 seasons that you thought were very good?
Was it his 2 receptions per game over those 3 season that were very good?
If you were shocked over getting rid of Welker
good luck with losing Landry
Gotcha Reception...How could i forget that one...Well that does it! $20M a year.
Welker was in a long line of seldom-used slot receivers at the time, like Jeff Ogden, and IIRC, while we'd used him a bit, it wasn't the biggest loss. The Patriots just figured out how to really use him and took advantage of his skill set, while we went out and drafted Ted Ginn and his family plus Oatmeal Brains Trent Green.
It's reasons like this why the Patriots are the Patriots and we continue to do the 6-10/7-9 shuffle every year.
Yeah I'm sure they would too. Then they would proceed to waste the picks on more floundering players. The point is that it doesn't matter how many picks the Dolphins get, they'll always blow them. There is no plan to succeed.
At the time, he was a great return specialist, one of the only exciting players we had. I don't just look at the stats.
You do realize in those 46 games Welker had 1 return td
and ZERO punt return tds...GREAT RETURN SPECIALIST
293 RETURNS WITH 1 TD
He needed a GPS device surgically implanted
up his backside to find the endzone
His average on kick returns was worse the Grants...so if he was a great return specialist then we better not let a Grant get away.
Amendola won’t be nearly as successful without Brady.
When we were about to lose Welker I posted a similar thread over a decade ago. He was one of my favorite players at the time and I saw greatness despite his lack of scoring production. His returns rarely went all the way but usually provided good field position and more importantly a spark for the offense. His last year I looked at every Dolphin possession and he was a key in over a 1/3 of the teams scoring by making key plays. Welker went on to score 49 more TD’s not with the Dolphins. If you look at 3rd down conversion rate for each team before, during and after Welker over the span of his career you wouldn’t doubt his impact on the game. His conversions allowed Brady extra chances to throw it up to Moss and almost complete a perfect season. His extra chances allowed Peyton to score the most points ever with extra chances to DT.
I don't understand this fear of players going to the Patriots. What's the worse that's going to happen? They go back to the SB? They've been to the SB 8 times with a lot of no name players on previous teams. You don't overspend because you fear him going to another team in your division.
Not saying $20mil. But catches and TDs and the fact he was 2nd NFL in YAC - I feel the narrative being told is not balanced.
Landry is to Widereceivers what Tannehill is to QB’s. If Tannehill wanted top qb money what would you say.? Landry is really good but we can’t pay him top 10$$$$ he’s not top 10. He’s 11,12,13
"catches?" really? TDs?
Yes. You saying times gotten in the EZ don’t matter? Jarvis was better in the RZ this year than Julio FWIW.
Putting Cutler into the upcoming salary allocation, isn't needed. Cutler signed a 1 year 10 million dollar contract. When the new league year begins, his contract is no longer on the books.
As for Landry, he's become A BRAND.