Long coming back for Miami?

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  1. KevInMotion

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    http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/nfl/rumors/post?id=586

    The ESPN Article is for Insiders, but it also links to this Sun Sentinel article
    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/...iority-on-playmakers-20130122,0,5694451.story
     
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    I'm curious as to everyones take on Jake Long.

    Do we want him back after 2 straight seasons with injuries which didn't allow him to play the full year?

    If anyone does want Jake back, then what is the price that's fair/reasonable for both him and the organization?

    Another concern is J. Martin, does anyone really think he will be able to replace Jake and anchor down the left side of the line??

    I've heard this mentioned a couple times a while back that Jake Long's skills don't translate as well into Philbin's zone blocking scheme. If this is the case, then wouldn't it be beneficial to let Long go (hopefully get a return for him) and find someone who is tailored for zone blocks??

    As for the article, I'm just passing a long some info that I read, and wanted to see how my fellow Fin Fans felt about the upcoming Jake situation.
     
  3. hoops

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    bring the pitch forks back out if he tags jake long...also watch out for a bad contract here...i could see a bad # here...
     
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    And ALLLLLLL that cap room might look a tad bit different after all..... here we go fellas, its gonna be a wild ride one way or the other in the coming months. strap on in
     
  5. uk_dolfan

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    They were always going to at least talk to him....
     
  6. Zounds

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    During Jeff Ireland's press conference last week, he said he wasnt going to comment on Jake Long because he's still "in a contract negotiation" wih him. There's no doubt Miami wants to bring Long back, but its all determined by how much money he wants.
     
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    If he doesn't fit the system, they should let him go. Not sure if it's possible, but a tag and trade would be nice in that case
     
  8. Sherif

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    I dont want Long resigned for anything over $5M a year. He's dropped from second ranked among tackels in the NFL, to 21st the season before last and 47th this past season...he was 32nd in pass protection with four sacks allowed and 10 hurries which put in in the bottom 10%. Why do we want him? He's not good enough in Pass or Run protection. This guy had never allowed a sack and only had one penalty in his college career but after his first year in the NFL, it's obvious that his best days are far behind him.
     
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    Miamifinz Philbin is an idiot Donator

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    Jake Long signed to a long term deal is honestly the most tragic thing the Dolphins could do this offseason.
     
  10. hoops

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    good luck getting him signed for $5 mil per...i think irelands gonna be willing to go double digits here...probably offer $10 mil per be willing to go to $12 mil...what a mistake that will be...i'd offer him no more and i mean no more than 2 years and $16 mil with an opt out after year one option for the team...

    take it or leave it...i knew ireland had a soft spot for jake...3 of the last 4 years on ir...and i'm smelling a double digit per year offer coming...so much for all that cap space
     
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    if they're having back and forth convos already and good dialogue back and forth i'm guessing $8 mil per is on the table already...there wouldn't be much back and forth if he was offering $6 mil a year...we'll see...but i smell a $10 mil per meet in the middle thing here
     
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    Thank you for bringing absolutely nothing to the table.

    The topic has nothing to do with talking to him...... rather would YOU want him back next year or not? For how much, and why?? None of which you answered.

    To me, tagging him is absolutely out of the question. Adam Schefter has stated that his franchise tag # would be $15.3 Million.
    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/03/report-dolphins-havent-ruled-out-tagging-jake-long/

    That's way above reasonable in my book, and in no way is Jake worth that much. ESPECIALLY since he hasn't stayed healthy in 2+ years.

    Anyone who signs this guy to a big money, long term contract should be terminated. He’s declined the past 3 years, he can’t stop the speed rushers anymore, and now he’s injury prone. His days of being an elite LT are over.
     
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    Do you think he's worth paying $10 million next year?
     
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    long needs to look in the mirror and realize his play has fallen off the last 2 years and he can't stay healthy...but i'm sure he's betting on some big spending owner and probably will find one if miami doesn't come correct...someone may sign him to very good money to play the right side in a power scheme...

    i'll be surprised if he got less than $8 mil minimum offers as a free agent...
     
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    no...most i'd go is 2 years $16 mil with an opt out after year one for the team...which means he probably tests free agency...doubt he'd take it before he tested the waters...i said before 2 years $12 mil most i'd go but i'd up to the $16 mil provided i was given a clean get out of jail card after year one if i wanted it

    if he signs with us before free agency i'm betting that # i gonna be ugly...at $10 mil per over say 4 years he probably doesn't test...at $8 mil per for 2 years he does...
     
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    Not even for the right price? What if he were to offer a home town discount?

    I understand not overpaying, obviously. He hasn't played at an elite level in 2+ years, and doesn't deserve to be paid as an elite LT because of that.

    But if I could get a good deal on him, then I might think about it.
    Again, if it's anything remotely unreasonable, then I'd say bye-bye and thanks for your service.
     
  17. aquabob

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    This is a tough one. IMO, the oline will go from mediocre to horrible if he leaves (see NE game). But is mediocre worth 12m? No 10m? maybe. Otherwise we're creating a huge hole along the oline, which is the last thing we need. I don't mind paying him a lot, as long as we have some type of "out" in case the injuries continue to plague him.
     
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    anything less then 10 million a year id be cool with
     
  19. Sherif

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    If they're talking $10M for for Long then I don't see us doing anything else in FA as Jennings, Wallace or Bowe also want $10M. This is a weak WR draft so we'd do better get our FA at WR and TE and not Jake Long.
     
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    They are not having back and forth diaglogue as suggested in the ESPN article the OP linked. In that article, it links a Sun-Sentinel article as its source, which cites Ireland's press conference as its source - but in Irelands press conference, he said the only time he's talked to Long was during the exit interview at the end of the season, and while Long was rehabing his injury in the Dolphins' training room. I seriously doubt he talked contract numbers with him in that setting, but that's great that ESPN has stopped fact checking the articles they cite as sources.
     
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    well then if what you say here regarding the contact is correct i'd agree with you that back and forths in that setting seem unlikely...i'm sure his agent has had some dialogue though to keep things cordial...

    i till think there's more money on the table here than people expect or think...
     
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    Can't stop speed rushers anymore? Jake never could stop speed rushers. Never.
     
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    8 million is the most I would pay him. He has declined but not as much as some think.

    At the end of the day a team like the Bears will out it Miami. If Jake wants to stay he will stay but if he wants paid...cya.
     
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    That stood out to me as well, but I have come to expect nothing less ESPN. Home of unparalleled journalistic integrity.
     
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    To each his own.... my only point being whether he originally could, or couldn't stop the speed rush.... it's progressively worsened year in and out.
     
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    The hate on Jake Long is so overboard. Just so you haters realize, not resigning Jake Long means we must draft a LT high, because gambling on Martin is beyond foolish. Even with tons of help Martin showed himself grossly overmatched last year. Long rarely had help and we constantly gave Martin help when he manned LT and Martin still got abused regularly.

    I have high hopes for Martin, but his power is so overmatched that he has to over-anchor and gets beat like a drum against speed rushers he should be able to stop or slow down. The kid is in over his head at RT and while I expect significant improvement, he simply isn't going to be able to handle LT in 2013 IMHO.

    We are hoping he can handle RT with help in 2013, but even that is hugely optimistic.

    Start falling in love with Erik Fisher at 12 or Lane Johnson at 42, because there aren't many LT guys in this draft, and they will be at a premium. Draft in WR and DE and CB can bring value in this draft, but LT requires paying a high premium.

    Long was great his first few years, and if the medical staff thinks he can get healthy, he is going to be by far our best option at LT. We don't want to be 2013's version of Arizona/Philly where the entire offense craters because their line implodes. Let's face it, Jerry is one of the worst starters in the NFL. Despite the Pro Bowl Incognito is only mediocre. Martin had a terrible rookie season despite lots of help. Without Long, we will only have 1 good OL, Pouncey. Hard to make chicken salad. N
     
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    say what you will about John Martin , yeah he needed help as a rookie,but there hasnt been many rookies that COULD PLAY LT there first year , but i do belive that Martin will be able to play LT for Miami , he did a fine job at stanford ,yeah i know its not the NFL but i belive he can play the LT side , and as for Big JAKE ,ONLY WAY he would be in miami next year is that we offer no more than 10.mil and that means we have an opt out clause ,what i would offer is 8.mil and and give him encinatives which could go up to 11.mil IF HE CAN STAY HEALTHY AND MEET ALL OF OUR STANDARDS ,with a clause that we can opted out of the contract any tme we want. but i really think John Martin can handle the LT poss , but as ive said not many rookies do come in and start from day one at LT , imo he will get stronger this offseason and will be ready to play full speed ahead next year.
     
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    Did any of you watch Martin play last year? If you did you would know he was over matched in every game, RT or LT. How could you possibly think he's ready to take over at LT?
     
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    Both Long and Cog were expected to do their job and do it by themselves as the other side needed help every play with Jerry and Martin over there. Early in the season they did OK but as wear and tear began to take it's toll The left side suffered and then Long was hurt yet again. I trust Ireland (go ahead, take my head off) to make the right call as far as Long is concerned. If he will sign a reasonable, maybe incentive laden, contract good... if not Seeya!
     
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    Did Big Jake go on a road trip, banging every Finheaven poster's mom or something? My god, it's like the guy has personally wronged everyone. Seriously, if we removed the name from some of these posts, I'd have a hard time deciding whether you were talking about Long or Mark Sanchez. Absolutely ridiculous...
     
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    I never saw anything in this article that is different from what we read yesterday.

    yet everyone reacts as if it is. too funny. how can anyone judge anything with any credibility when you dont even know what your reacting to?

    And besides, its not like Jake had a complete disaster of a year. He really just had a couple of bad games. He didnt live up to his own standards. So he had a new system he had to deal with with diff snap counts and plays, but its not like he was god awful at it.
     
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    I hate the idea of Long leaving but also hate 10 mil a year. I'm hoping 8 mil with a 16 games played bonus involved. I really don't like Martin at LT. RT he struggled and needed help consistently. I'm hoping he has the biggest jump in play other than Tannehill. As someone else posted I do not want to be the Cards next year and Ryan getting hit every play. 47 hurries is a ton given up by Martin. I hope Jake realizes that 8 mil with bonuses is more than generous and our line doesn't need to be totally overhauled. I would aim for a 4 year deal with the last year being a team option.

    No one is going to pay him 8 mil a year to play RT and I highly doubt other teams haven't seen what we have seen. He's not worth more to anyone else but us. Also the teams with the most cap space are who? Us, Bucs-Have a LT, The Bills- have a LT but also have some big FAs to sign, Ravens-have their LT and some big guys to sign, Bengals and Browns have lots of space but have tackles. The biggest team that may come calling is the Bears. But are they really going to pay him over 8 mil?
     
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    Just so you realize, the team facility and jeff's office are co-located? why would it be so hard to believe that jeff and jake have had a couple conversations before some rehab about where they both stand? and you can be sure jeff has more than a passing curiosity about Jake's progress insofar as a possible contract goes.
     
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    The thing is even if he didn't want something in the 8-12 million range id say he played at a level worth only 3-4 million which is certainly not what he'll get in free agency. He was that bad. Good at run blocking but got beat by pass rushers of all shapes, sizes, and reputations.

    Forget just getting beat by speed rushers, there were many times he was bullied and pushed around. Jonathan Martin filled the void and there was no drop off and he's a rookie with room to grow. Meanwhile jake long has gotten progressively worse. Combine that fact with his injury problem and that makes him an incredibly unattractive option. Just my opinion and I hope he proves me wrong if we do bring him back, but signing him to a long term deal at any amount of money will kill my enthusiasm for the upcoming season.
     
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    I agree with you there, Hoops. I like Long a lot, but you've got to factor in the injuries when it comes to giving out big money. At this point $8 million a year seems a little high, but for 2 years that could work out.
     
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    hahahahahahahaha 5 million per what the **** do you think he has, some bargain basement free agent? You guys are flat out stupid with your contract #s sometimes
     
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    Boy that's strange how he managed to have a year where he gave up .5 a sack, and less than 10 QB pressures. In an entire season. In a year where he faced the Colts, Texans, Jaguars... all of whom had speed pass rushers (guys who were known for getting to the QB incredibly fast) so maybe you're wrong. Shocking, considering your posting history...
     
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    We could sign Brady Quinn as KC most likely won't, and move him in front of Tannehill on the depth chart.
     
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    I would like to see him back max $10mil a year. They obviously think he can still play or they wouldn't talk to him. Either he's your starter or he's not. If he's not then you don't even bring him back for league minimum. Move on. Obviously they feel he'll be back to form and this is just negotiation game-manship.
     
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    yeah.... Jake long sucks. Not elite anymore
     

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