Madison coul be gone.

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  1. minus

    minus Perennial All-Pro Hammered

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    "Starting cornerback Sam Madison also has a decision to make. Madison, who has a 2004 cap salary of $8 million, could be released if he doesn't accept a salary reduction. Gene Burrough, Madison's agent, declined to discuss the specifics of the Dolphins' proposal."

    Ira new article.
     
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    This would be the right move. Releasing him would free up millions in future cap space.
     
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    but the cap hit for 2004 would be too risky.. considering what the team is trying to do with free agency... waiting for 2005 would make more sense..
     
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    I don't know if the rumors are true that he is really anti-wanny... don't know if his "attitude" will split the team. Plus if it gives us decent savings... It may be time to part ways whether it is a trade or just cutting him.
     
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    everything I have read says that he is willing to restructure.
     
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    bigmiamifan Perennial All-Pro

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    Fine cut him, save the cap, but who the hell is going to replace him?
     
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    (insert jamar fletcher joke here)
     
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    What, no love for Jamar???

    :lol:
     
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    Are the Fins asking him to take an actual pay cut or do they simply want to restructure his contract (but take no actual paycut)??
     
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    ???????
     
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    I don't like the move at all. That means, with O-gun likely to part as well, we open up to huge holes on our defense while our offense remains pathetic. We don't have enough moeny and draft picks to fill them all. Hopefully he takes a pay cut because like it or not, he is still one of the better corners in the league.
     
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    Many players restructure their contract to make it more cap friendly, but they lose no actual money.
     
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    Well, that's what Sam is offering (restructure, no "pay cut"). The Dolphins obviously would like to do the former. So we'll see what happens.
     
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    His release would save about $1.7 million (adjusting for top 51). It would also save about $8.7 million in 2005, $9.3 million in 2006, and $7.8 million in 2007 and he would no longer count on Miami's cap after 2004.

    So if wants to stay, he would need to cut his salary by at least the $1.7 million. If he plays in Miami this season, then he would still count on at least the 2005 cap

    Could you replace him? Yes, there are some good, younger CBs available and the cap hit wouldn't be much more than the $1.7 million
     
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    Thank you for clearing things up Clump.BYE BYE MADISON!!
     
  16. Lukin

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    Our defense is gonna suck
     
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    :)
     
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    thats ok, last year the bills showed us how far a top defense can get you anyway :)

    i agree though if we lose both ogun and madison the d will be in trouble and the O would have to step up a lot.
     
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    It depends on who you replace them with
     
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    Troy Vincent anyone?
     
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    Troy is wayyy to expensive.
     
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    so far i've heard rumors of Jets and panthers for troy
     
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    we better either keep Madison or draft DeAngelo Hall
     
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    I wouldn't mind drafting a CB if we get a pick for Ogun. There's plenty CB's to go around this year.
     
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    In 2003 We Were not that Great in Passing D....

    Well last year our D SUCKED against the pass...

    Sure it was great in preventing points, I give that credit to the D line. It put enough QB pressures and got the QB sacks to win some games for us...

    This D was a top 10 in Total Passing Yds Allowed, Passing Completions, and Passing Yds per Game in 2002...

    This past year (2003) the rankings were:

    # 19th in Yds/g (208.4), # 19 in Total pass yds (3335), and # 22 in passing completion (60%)...

    I would like to keep Sam also (would be happier if he restructures). But if the FO decides to take drastic measures there are alternatives in FA. Antoine Winfield and others, for less money...
     
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    The way Winfield is acting, he won't be an inexpensive option :shakeno:
     
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    Wow,I didnt realize how much future cap his contract clears up.So F---ing londg SAM.
     
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    I think we should just make him watch game film of all his blown coverages...he should be willing to restructure after that.
     
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    It was my understanding that we could get him for less than 4 million per year. That doesn't seem to be that unrealistic in light of Madison's numbers.
     
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    that is why Miami needs to start looking toward the future lots of players on the d are turning or pushing 30..
     
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    I think we should demand that he cuts his salary by $1.2-$1.7 million.
    This way, we have almost no benefit in cutting him (future yes). We need him this year to try and make our run. We would never find a CB as good as Sam for the $1.7 million he would save us. Next year is a different story. We'll address it then.
     
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    This is EXACTLY why we drafted Jamar Fletcher.

    Only one flaw in the plan, Fletch has failed to live up to his big potential and cannnot be ocunted on as a starting CB on our team.

    If Fletch was as good as he was projected to be, Madison would be gone, without question.(as much as it hurts me to say...)
     
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    The only problem with getting him to cut his salary is we'll probably have to offer some bonus money...more dead cap next year at a reduced salary means the cap savings next year will be even less than the 1.7 million this year. Miami will still do this because of boss Wayne's ultimatum to win this year.
     
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    I don't think it works like that.What your describing if he restructures but that not the case if he accepts a paycut.
     
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    You're right but Madison isn't required to take a pay cut. If he doesn't agree...we either pay him the 6.3 mill salary or cut him. The only incentive for him to take the cut would be more guaranteed bonus (dead) money.
    Madison already counts about 2 million in dead money per year...6 million next year! So even if he takes no pay cut we basically get nothing next year (6.3 salary vs 6 mill dead money + .305 min salary/clumps top 51 rule) and can only get cap money if we cut him after 6/1(2 mill dead for 2005, the other 4 mill dead put in 2006).
    So basically it depends on how desperate we are for money this year that will screw us later on.
     
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    Releasing Madison would not be a smart move. We would still take a large cap hit if we release him and even though his skill has declined, he is still a good CB and I can guarantee that we wouldn't be able to afford anyone better in FA.
     

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